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« on: June 02, 2005, 09:57:24 PM »

The language in question is heard here (streaming .mp3). This is the Eastern Orthodox Paschal troparion in several languages, and I am having trouble identifying the third one that is sung. The order of languages sung is:

-pre-Nikonian Slavonic
-Latin
-*unknown language* (starts at about 0:40)
-modern Slavonic
-Greek
-Georgian
-Georgian (again)

At first I thought the language might be Romanian, but listening to it while looking at the text of that language shows that it's definitely not that. Similar results were obtained by examining the text in Albanian and Armenian, which were my other two guesses. It's certainly not Finnish or Japanese, and neither is it in any of the Slavic languages, as they all are almost the same and I would have recognized it. Therefore, this is driving me insane.

Anybody recognize the language?

Postscript: If you feel so inclined, I recommend checking out the other music on that site by this group; they perform chants in Slavonic according to the Byzantine, Znamenny, Georgian, and Strochnoj styles (i.e. anything pre-Nikonian, essentially) and are quite good. And the record label is Not Evil.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2005, 10:08:11 PM »

It is not of Slavic, that is for sure.
I would say that it is not Romanian (nor any other Romanish-Latin Based)
It could be indeed, Albanian.
But I am not sure.

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What is the site, please?
 I just get the download and not the site.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2005, 10:18:03 PM »

The site is www.magnatune.com, and the group is Ensemble Sreteniye. All of their music is available to listen to via streaming media.

I'm fairly sure it's not Albanian, as I sat down with that text and saw very quickly that it didn't match up with what they were singing. Unless they were singing in a different dialect... but it doesn't sound Albanian. I might ask an Albanian co-worker of mine tomorrow if it is or not.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2005, 10:23:38 PM »

I never heard albanian in singing.. Spoken yes.

I am not sure at all... It is very interesting.
I can not even locate it..
I am fairly good at locating languages.

But this one sounds like Hungro-Turkish group. But, I just have no clue.
Plus it is sung. It is very hard to "declare singing" languages.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2005, 10:29:25 PM »

Hehehe... It would be cool if it were T*rkish... but I'm fairly sure it's not.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2005, 10:29:54 PM »

Christ is risen!

I believe it is Turkish.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2005, 10:35:13 PM »

Are you sure? The only rendition I've ever heard of the Paschal greeting in Turkish is "Christos dirildi", which isn't the first two words that are sung here. (Well, the first word is the same, but the second is definitely different.)

Update: Ok, you may be right. I'm hearing something that sounds like "dirildi" in the first line, so they may be using a different word order.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2005, 10:52:20 PM »

Of the topic:

WOW!

Now that is awesome music.... Thank you very much for this.... Very nice indeed.

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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2005, 10:58:26 PM »

Am I sure as in positive?  No, as i don't speak Turkish.

However if you visit the website - http://magnatune.com/artists/ensemble_sreteniye - and click on the CD cover, the one with the monk and the bell, you will get a PDF of the CD front and back covers.  It lists selection 9 as Christ is Risen and on the bottom says that selection 9 is in Slavonic, Latin Turkish, Greek and Georgian.

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2005, 11:03:01 PM »

Doh!

OK, thanks. (slinks away sheepishly)

(and what's even more embarassing is I own this album!)
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2005, 11:09:10 PM »

LOL.... well.. I think its turkish LOL
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2005, 12:47:04 AM »

When I click the link and it plays my media player says it is track nine. When I click on the cover of the album
http://he3.magnatune.com/artists/img/ensemble_sreteniye_cover.pdf
I see that track 9 is the paschal troparion in Slavonic, Latin, Turkish, Greek and Georgia.

I think it is a safe bet to say it is Turkish then.

There, that wasn't so hard was it?
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2005, 12:50:08 AM »

Also, check out the Kolyadka "Ne plach Rakhile"  Beautiful!  They list it as Ukrainian....I know a slightly different melody as Carpatho Russian, although it might be the same and the arrangement is different.

It is in commemoration of the slaying of the Holy Innocents.

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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2005, 07:32:14 AM »

It is quite hard to pick it out but this is a list of Christ is risen in different languages.

Aleut: Khristus Anahgrecum! Alhecum Anahgrecum!
Anglo-Saxon: Crist aras! Crist sodhlice aras!
Arabic: Al Messieh Qam! Huhquhn Qam!
Armenian: Christos harjav i merelotz! Orhniale harutjun Christosi!
Chinese: Helisituosi fuhuole! Queshi fuhuole!
Coptic (Egypt): Pchristos Aftooun! Alethos Aftooun!
Czech: Kristus Vstal A Mrtvych! Opravdi Vstoupil!
Estonian: Kristus on surnust Ulasteeusnud! Teasti on Ulasteeusnud!
Finnish: Kristus nousi kuolleista! Totisesti nousi!
French: Christ est Resurrecte! Vraiment, Resurrecte!
Gaelic (Celt): Taw Creest Ereen! Taw Shay Ereen Guhdyne!
Georgian (Ivero-Pontian): Kriste aghsdga! Cheshmaritad aghsdga!
German: Christus ist Auferstanden! Wahrhaft auferstanden!
Hebrew: Ha-Mashiah qom! Be-emet qom!
Hellenic (Greek): Khristos Anesti! Alithos Anesti!
Japanese: Harisutosu Fukkatsu! Jitsu Ni Fukkatsu!
Korean: Kristo Gesso! Buhar ha sho Nay!
Latin: Christus resurrexit! Vere resurrexit!
Norwegian: Christus er Oppstanden! Sandelig Han er Oppstanden!
Sanskrit: Kristo'pastitaha! Satvam Upastitaha!
Serbian (modern) Hristos Vaskrse! Vaistinu Vaskrse!
Slavonic: Khristos Voskresie! Voistsinu Voskresie!
Spanish: Cristo esta resucitado! Verdad, resucitado!
Swahili: Khristos amafafouka! Kwaeli amafafouka!
Swedish: Kristi ar uppstanden! Sannorligen ar!
Syriac: Meshiha qam! Bashrira qam!
Tosk (Albanian): Krishti Ungjall! Vertete Ungjall!
Vlakh (Romanian): Hristos A Inviat! Adivarat A Inviat!
Welsh: Atgyfododd Crist! Atgyfododd in wir!
Zulu: Ukristu Uvukile! Uvukile Kuphela!
English: Christ has risen! Indeed, Christ has risen!

and here are more from OCA http://www.oca.org/OCpaschalgreetings.asp?SID=2
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2005, 07:34:05 AM »

To me it sounds more Greek, Romanian or Pontian than Turkish,

It could be Homeric Greek but I'm not sure of that either.
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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2005, 12:02:02 AM »

I think we pretty well established that it's Turkish, as that's what it says on the album cover.  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2005, 07:43:11 PM »

It's not's Turkish, it's Slavic

No Turk would say, "Hristos Voskrese" ....this sounds Old Slavonic or Russian.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2005, 07:47:27 PM »

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Aleut: Khristus Anahgrecum! Alhecum Anahgrecum!
Anglo-Saxon: Crist aras! Crist sodhlice aras!
Arabic: Al Messieh Qam! Huhquhn Qam!
Armenian: Christos harjav i merelotz! Orhniale harutjun Christosi!
Chinese: Helisituosi fuhuole! Queshi fuhuole!
Coptic (Egypt): Pchristos Aftooun! Alethos Aftooun!
Czech: Kristus Vstal A Mrtvych! Opravdi Vstoupil!
Estonian: Kristus on surnust Ulasteeusnud! Teasti on Ulasteeusnud!
Finnish: Kristus nousi kuolleista! Totisesti nousi!
French: Christ est Resurrecte! Vraiment, Resurrecte!
Gaelic (Celt): Taw Creest Ereen! Taw Shay Ereen Guhdyne!
Georgian (Ivero-Pontian): Kriste aghsdga! Cheshmaritad aghsdga!
German: Christus ist Auferstanden! Wahrhaft auferstanden!
Hebrew: Ha-Mashiah qom! Be-emet qom!
Hellenic (Greek): Khristos Anesti! Alithos Anesti!
Japanese: Harisutosu Fukkatsu! Jitsu Ni Fukkatsu!
Korean: Kristo Gesso! Buhar ha sho Nay!
Latin: Christus resurrexit! Vere resurrexit!
Norwegian: Christus er Oppstanden! Sandelig Han er Oppstanden!
Sanskrit: Kristo'pastitaha! Satvam Upastitaha!
Serbian (modern) Hristos Vaskrse! Vaistinu Vaskrse!
Slavonic: Khristos Voskresie! Voistsinu Voskresie!
Spanish: Cristo esta resucitado! Verdad, resucitado!
Swahili: Khristos amafafouka! Kwaeli amafafouka!
Swedish: Kristi ar uppstanden! Sannorligen ar!
Syriac: Meshiha qam! Bashrira qam!
Tosk (Albanian): Krishti Ungjall! Vertete Ungjall!
Vlakh (Romanian): Hristos A Inviat! Adivarat A Inviat!
Welsh: Atgyfododd Crist! Atgyfododd in wir!
Zulu: Ukristu Uvukile! Uvukile Kuphela!
English: Christ has risen! Indeed, Christ has risen!

This is good information, however, not all of these have been translated entirely correct. There are some minor mistakes..
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2005, 09:02:46 PM »

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It's not's Turkish, it's Slavic

Yes, two of the versions on that track are indeed in Slavonic. However...

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No Turk would say, "Hristos Voskrese" ....this sounds Old Slavonic or Russian.

Dude, the people singing it aren't Turks, they're Ukrainians, and the album itself says that it's in Turkish, besides which, you can clearly hear them not say "Christos voskrese" and instead say "Christos <something> diril-di".
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2005, 12:06:50 AM »

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Dude, the people singing it aren't Turks, they're Ukrainians, and the album itself says that it's in Turkish, besides which, you can clearly hear them not say "Christos voskrese" and instead say "Christos <something> diril-di".


I'll have hear again tomorrow, however, I could of sworn I heard "voskrese"...

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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2005, 01:28:41 AM »

The first troparion they sing is Slavonic. Second is Latin. Third ain't Slavonic.
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2005, 03:51:57 AM »

Great music. Can't say what it is but I can definintely say what it isn't. It is not Romanian. Had it been it would have started 'Hristos a-nviat' and I would have understood it, which it didn't and I didn't respectively. Turkish sounds like a good possibility as it seems similar sounding to the Turkish I once heard - but that was a very long time ago, so I could be very wrong.

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2006, 04:43:50 AM »

It' s rather a slavic language:Christos voskresia
It is not greek, at all!
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2006, 07:45:04 AM »

Here is a sight with Christ is Risen in 250 languages, the Paschal Polyglotta:

http://srbigham.com/en/

Very fun site that allows you to listen to the greeting in those languages as well as read them.
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