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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2015, 02:24:19 PM »
I'm getting the feeling I'm arguing with a bunch of childless people who are being critical of something they know nothing about.   Both homeschooling nor young adults courting.  All the while, the hatred stems from other arguments on the forum because I refuse to kiss and bow to wooden idols.

I'm pretty sure that's generally what is going on.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2015, 02:25:27 PM »
May I ask, do you have a wife and children?  If so, what is the way you educate them?

 :o

Well he's ready to critique how I educate my children.  I'd like to know how he educates his.

We are all ready to critique how you educate your children.


for one simple reason.


You keep bringing it here and telling US what to do, that we are wrong and you have it right.

If you honestly do not want this, then stop popping in with your 'here is the way to be'  stuff.....and go live your life in peace.




How do you educate your children?




irrelevant

because i am not telling you how to do it....merely telling you to stop being a prat and lording the superiority you have for how you do it, over everyone that is not you.



I thought so.  Coming at me groundless.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2015, 02:27:02 PM »
I have kids, but they are not old enough to be dating. I'm not going to pretend to know what the best, most responsible way to ensure that they get a good spouse, but I expect that when it comes to that point in time, it will involve me sitting on the porch with a shotgun.

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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2015, 02:27:49 PM »
Porter you are hate filled and awful.

This is your reaction to my posting access to the facts?

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While you think you are brilliant and have all the answers, it is very apparent to me you cast a blind eye to what homeschooling is.

What I think isn't the subject of any of those resources. However, since I've been part of homeschooling for longer than you've been alive, your accusation, as usual, is your boomerang.

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May I ask, do you have a wife and children?  If so, what is the way you educate them?

Thank you for asking. I've had to put two different pictures to capture them:



At present, the plan is to educate them in a Waldorf School (the elder start next week).
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2015, 02:32:19 PM »
All that means is that there are people who realize the social repercussions for a divorce and so they instead remain married...often times being verbally abused, or subjected to their partner's bad life choices. 

I personally know people who have had to live with alcoholic partners, who drove the family into poverty.....or abused their wives ...but look ma, no divorce.

And that is the real issue of a pastoral approach to divorce. I personally believe that all this is included in the category of "adultery", whether there is sexual cheating or not. Adultery was used to mean lots of forms of infidelity in the Bible. Therefore, they all would fall to Christ's permit to divorce.

But it's not a religious or Christian thing. I had a couple of friends who were victims of domestic abuse, none of them stayed because of religious values, since most were secular in belief and lifestyle. It's a mix of personal values (that may or may not include religious rationalizations) that lead the person to the rather competitive belief that "my love will be greater than his anger and will heal him" plus the severity of the abuse that may lead to different degrees of shock and therefore inaction plus psychological and very material actions the aggressor takes to prevent the victim from denouncing him.

The downfall of Christianity as a civilization is *entirely* due to it being unable to give a proper response to the innevitable setbacks of life and acting as if a literally holy life is concretely possible instead of an ideal we strive for. That's where the social engineers come in promising impossible solutions.

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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2015, 02:32:19 PM »
It only works where and if there is a huge set of nurturing, healthy and structured families.

Not even an immaginable starting point for most people I know.

No, it doesn't work.

Yep, and the Anabaptist divorce rate is 2%.  ::)

ZERO divorces in my wife's church.  ZERO divorces in the Beachy church in Lott, TX.



Would they even be allowed to divorce?
YES.

But not re-married.

I come from a societal group where there are ZERO allowable divorces too.


Big whoop-dee-doo   

All that means is that there are people who realize the social repercussions for a divorce and so they instead remain married...often times being verbally abused, or subjected to their partner's bad life choices. 

I personally know people who have had to live with alcoholic partners, who drove the family into poverty.....or abused their wives ...but look ma, no divorce.

But hey....mennonites never have any societal problems....so that wouldn't happen to them.

The difference is Divorce IS allowed in Mennonite churches.  Re-marriage is not.

So, you don't follow the state law?

Then again, if you view marriage as a male fiefdom where you buy and keep property, I guess that's all that matters.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2015, 02:32:19 PM »
It only works where and if there is a huge set of nurturing, healthy and structured families.

Not even an immaginable starting point for most people I know.

No, it doesn't work.

Yep, and the Anabaptist divorce rate is 2%.  ::)

ZERO divorces in my wife's church.  ZERO divorces in the Beachy church in Lott, TX.

And they traditionally do nothing like "biblical courtship." Your circles are reactionary wack-jobs that are already in their last stages. Perhaps you've heard of

https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/
http://hsinvisiblechildren.org/
http://www.quiveringdaughters.com/
http://www.responsiblehomeschooling.org/

Everyone on whom you inflict your threads should avail themselves of these links and their eye-opening information.

Porter you are hate filled and awful.  The bias stinks!

http://kingsbloomingrose.com/  - What a quivering daughter!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/23/successful-home-school-alum_n_3806317.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nzzbtel - A bunch of "oppressed" homeschoolers

While you think you are brilliant and have all the answers, it is very apparent to me you cast a blind eye to what homeschooling is.

May I ask, do you have a wife and children?  If so, what is the way you educate them?

Uh, he's supposed to educate his wife?  ???
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2015, 02:32:19 PM »
Yesh seems to want to ignore anything bad and sweep it under the rug. There are no problems in his world, because the people who have problems simply aren't real.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2015, 02:32:19 PM »
It only works where and if there is a huge set of nurturing, healthy and structured families.

Not even an immaginable starting point for most people I know.

No, it doesn't work.

Yep, and the Anabaptist divorce rate is 2%.  ::)

ZERO divorces in my wife's church.  ZERO divorces in the Beachy church in Lott, TX.

And they traditionally do nothing like "biblical courtship." Your circles are reactionary wack-jobs that are already in their last stages. Perhaps you've heard of

https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/
http://hsinvisiblechildren.org/
http://www.quiveringdaughters.com/
http://www.responsiblehomeschooling.org/

Everyone on whom you inflict your threads should avail themselves of these links and their eye-opening information.

So says you, who's church allows adulterous re-marriage and has a 14% divorce rate.

"You will know them by their fruits".



Jesus forgave the woman at the well, who had been married multiple times. Jesus forgave the people who crucified Him, saying, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4&version=DRA


Yesh, where is your forgiveness?
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2015, 02:36:41 PM »
Porter you are hate filled and awful.

This is your reaction to my posting access to the facts?

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While you think you are brilliant and have all the answers, it is very apparent to me you cast a blind eye to what homeschooling is.

What I think isn't the subject of any of those resources. However, since I've been part of homeschooling for longer than you've been alive, your accusation, as usual, is your boomerang.

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May I ask, do you have a wife and children?  If so, what is the way you educate them?

Thank you for asking. I've had to put two different pictures to capture them:



At present, the plan is to educate them in a Waldorf School (the elder start next week).

Wonderful!

The bias you present would be from people that host negative opinions on homeschoolers.  There are hand fulls of these folks.

You do not have school aged children.  Yours are beautiful, yet young.

We on the other hand homeschool 5 children and have for 10 years.  We at a time distributed Saxan and Alpha Omega Publications.  We found Rod & Staff to be a superior curriculum through grade 8.  After that it's a lot of combination, but mostly Saxon.

We also attend a learning center (because we both can't stand to teach foreign languages - Spanish) and we belong to two Homeschool groups.

Along with that my son has a mowing service and my daughter actually makes good money selling baby chicks.

In Texas, homeschooling is considered a private school.   We'll send them to a community college in Dallas county (one we like) if they so choose to do their SAT tests.  At that time they can make the decisions or their own lives, college or work, etc.

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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2015, 02:38:02 PM »
Biblical courtship derives concepts of Judeo-Christian examples and places a modern (for our time) spin on things.  

Sounds like another "tradition of men" to me.   
Yes.  It's not a theology thing.   It's more taken as a common sense way to apply morality in courtship.  It's a term "Biblical Courtship".   It's a "thing that is done" not a "thing of worship".

Then why call it "biblical"?  What is biblical about the "typical" structure you outlined? 

Mor I didn't make this up.  It's a term used.  She asked, I answered from what I've seen from experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_courtship


I'm aware that you didn't make up the term "biblical courtship", but I am asking you why it is called that.  Where do you find it in the Bible (e.g., chapter and verse citations for various practices or for places where the Lord himself describes it)?  Or what is the process by which you derive this practice from the Bible (e.g., what stuff are you isolating and putting together to form the practice)?  

The link you supplied above doesn't even give one biblical citation for this practice.  And I know that following the Scriptures is of paramount importance to you, so if you support "biblical courtship", I'm sure citing Scriptures to support it should be as easy as citing Scriptures to condemn iconography, calling bishops "Master", or any number of other issues about which you've opined here.  
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2015, 02:38:39 PM »
Yesh seems to want to ignore anything bad and sweep it under the rug. There are no problems in his world, because the people who have problems simply aren't real.

Sure I have plenty of problems Biro.  People are real, and there are some homeschoolers that are truly bad apples.  There are also horrible parents that take biblical courtship awry and oppress their children.

But don't ignore the many other good apples that have a great quality of life from these things.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2015, 02:43:09 PM »
Biblical courtship derives concepts of Judeo-Christian examples and places a modern (for our time) spin on things.  

Sounds like another "tradition of men" to me.   
Yes.  It's not a theology thing.   It's more taken as a common sense way to apply morality in courtship.  It's a term "Biblical Courtship".   It's a "thing that is done" not a "thing of worship".

Then why call it "biblical"?  What is biblical about the "typical" structure you outlined? 

Mor I didn't make this up.  It's a term used.  She asked, I answered from what I've seen from experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_courtship


I'm aware that you didn't make up the term "biblical courtship", but I am asking you why it is called that.  Where do you find it in the Bible (e.g., chapter and verse citations for various practices or for places where the Lord himself describes it)?  Or what is the process by which you derive this practice from the Bible (e.g., what stuff are you isolating and putting together to form the practice)?  

The link you supplied above doesn't even give one biblical citation for this practice.  And I know that following the Scriptures is of paramount importance to you, so if you support "biblical courtship", I'm sure citing Scriptures to support it should be as easy as citing Scriptures to condemn iconography, calling bishops "Master", or any number of other issues about which you've opined here.  

Yes, it's just a term.

Father's being recognized the authority in his home is biblical.  In the book of Numbers for instance, a father can invalidate oath's from his daughter.   

Sexual purity is obvious.  I can cite you scriptures but I gotta hurry as work calls - but you know.

Hands off type of stuff is to encourage that sexual purity.

Much of the rest is just under the term and seems like a good way to encourage a pure courtship into marriage.

I believe in Biblical courtship, I do not know entirely why it is called that.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2015, 02:46:05 PM »
It only works where and if there is a huge set of nurturing, healthy and structured families.

Not even an immaginable starting point for most people I know.

No, it doesn't work.

Yep, and the Anabaptist divorce rate is 2%.  ::)

ZERO divorces in my wife's church.  ZERO divorces in the Beachy church in Lott, TX.

And they traditionally do nothing like "biblical courtship." Your circles are reactionary wack-jobs that are already in their last stages. Perhaps you've heard of

https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/
http://hsinvisiblechildren.org/
http://www.quiveringdaughters.com/
http://www.responsiblehomeschooling.org/

Everyone on whom you inflict your threads should avail themselves of these links and their eye-opening information.

So says you, who's church allows adulterous re-marriage and has a 14% divorce rate.

"You will know them by their fruits".



Jesus forgave the woman at the well, who had been married multiple times. Jesus forgave the people who crucified Him, saying, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4&version=DRA


Yesh, where is your forgiveness?

I agree.  We can forgive.

The concept of no re-marriage is that it supports adultery as Christ said.   It's how the Mennonites view things.
So they allow divorce, but not re-marriage.

I'll talk in another thread if I support that position because it is extremely complicated.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2015, 02:46:36 PM »
Yes, it's just a term.

Father's being recognized the authority in his home is biblical.  In the book of Numbers for instance, a father can invalidate oath's from his daughter.   

Sexual purity is obvious.  I can cite you scriptures but I gotta hurry as work calls - but you know.

Hands off type of stuff is to encourage that sexual purity.

Much of the rest is just under the term and seems like a good way to encourage a pure courtship into marriage.

I believe in Biblical courtship, I do not know entirely why it is called that.


When you have time (I know you're in a hurry now), please do cite Scriptures to support the "typical" biblical courtship pattern you described above.  Thanks!
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2015, 02:46:58 PM »
The bias you present would be from people that host negative opinions on homeschoolers.

No. The facts those links present are from homeschools themselves.

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There are hand fulls of these folks.

All government and private studies show reactionary religious now make up the vast majority homeschoolers. The problem is not trivial.

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You do not have school aged children

Again, and not that it's the important thing, I've been involved since before you were born. I've been a project manager of a major homeschool curriculum (you know which one). I have not only family that are all "graduated" by now but I've worked with "graduates" all over the nation. That's a longer view than your own children afford you or that you are willing to take.

However, by no means take my word on these things -- read the links, full of biographies and studies and facts.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2015, 02:47:35 PM »
It only works where and if there is a huge set of nurturing, healthy and structured families.

Not even an immaginable starting point for most people I know.

No, it doesn't work.

Yep, and the Anabaptist divorce rate is 2%.  ::)

ZERO divorces in my wife's church.  ZERO divorces in the Beachy church in Lott, TX.



Would they even be allowed to divorce?
YES.

But not re-married.

I come from a societal group where there are ZERO allowable divorces too.


Big whoop-dee-doo   

All that means is that there are people who realize the social repercussions for a divorce and so they instead remain married...often times being verbally abused, or subjected to their partner's bad life choices. 

I personally know people who have had to live with alcoholic partners, who drove the family into poverty.....or abused their wives ...but look ma, no divorce.

But hey....mennonites never have any societal problems....so that wouldn't happen to them.

The difference is Divorce IS allowed in Mennonite churches.  Re-marriage is not.

So, you don't follow the state law?

Then again, if you view marriage as a male fiefdom where you buy and keep property, I guess that's all that matters.


Hopefully I answered the question above.  Home school is considered a private school in Texas.  We not only follow state minimum requirements, we far exceed it.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2015, 02:48:46 PM »
It's how the Mennonites view things.

It's how your "Mennonites" view things.

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I'll talk in another thread if I support that position because it is extremely complicated.

Gosh really? I know we're sinners, but haven't we suffered enough?
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2015, 02:49:46 PM »
The bias you present would be from people that host negative opinions on homeschoolers.

No. The facts those links present are from homeschools themselves.

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There are hand fulls of these folks.

All government and private studies show reactionary religious now make up the vast majority homeschoolers. The problem is not trivial.

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You do not have school aged children

Again, and not that it's the important thing, I've been involved since before you were born. I've been a project manager of a major homeschool curriculum (you know which one). I have not only family that are all "graduated" by now but I've worked with "graduates" all over the nation. That's a longer view than your own children afford you or that you are willing to take.

However, by no means take my word on these things -- read the links, full of biographies and studies and facts.


If you've been involved before I was born, most likely you were in diapers. :)

Ok Porter.  Let's just say there are goods and bad in public school and good and bad in homeschool.
Or we can just simply disagree.


I can give you tons of links on great homeschool testimonies.  I'm sure you can find many bad.  Same for public.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2015, 02:50:21 PM »
It's how the Mennonites view things.

It's how your "Mennonites" view things.

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I'll talk in another thread if I support that position because it is extremely complicated.

Gosh really? I know we're sinners, but haven't we suffered enough?
"your", "the".

I'm not Mennonite brother. Look at my faith.  :)
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2015, 02:50:58 PM »
May I ask, do you have a wife and children?  If so, what is the way you educate them?

 :o

Well he's ready to critique how I educate my children.  I'd like to know how he educates his.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2015, 02:51:28 PM »
Gotta run $$ calls.  Appreciate the debate!
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2015, 02:52:06 PM »
May I ask, do you have a wife and children?  If so, what is the way you educate them?

 :o

Well he's ready to critique how I educate my children.  I'd like to know how he educates his.
I educate my wife with the switch!


Be careful or I will tell your wife.

Lol good grief, 1 messy type.  LOL..

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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2015, 02:55:58 PM »
Yes, it's just a term.

Father's being recognized the authority in his home is biblical.  In the book of Numbers for instance, a father can invalidate oath's from his daughter.   

Sexual purity is obvious.  I can cite you scriptures but I gotta hurry as work calls - but you know.

Hands off type of stuff is to encourage that sexual purity.

Much of the rest is just under the term and seems like a good way to encourage a pure courtship into marriage.

I believe in Biblical courtship, I do not know entirely why it is called that.

The bolded is the only important bit. The rest is what this bit promises to guarantee. Picture a fourteen-year-old being given by her father to a man in his twenties who's invited to park his RV on the property and help pay the mortgage. Picture a thirty-eight year old who's never been father-honoring enough to be allowed to court (yet; it's always yet). Obviously I won't be naming names of these friends of ours.

However, the picture is bigger than this -- one of daily degrading women and children on various pretexts -- "biblical courtship" is merely the most titillating tool in this toolbag.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
Are there forums of people who want to learn your ways, Yesh? Join your one-man revival of Jacob toiling for Rachel (oops, Leah) seven years?
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
I'm getting the feeling I'm arguing with a bunch of childless people who are being critical of something they know nothing about.   Both homeschooling nor young adults courting.  All the while, the hatred stems from other arguments on the forum because I refuse to kiss and bow to wooden idols.

I'm pretty sure that's generally what is going on.

Rationalization.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
Porter you are hate filled and awful.

This is your reaction to my posting access to the facts?

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While you think you are brilliant and have all the answers, it is very apparent to me you cast a blind eye to what homeschooling is.

What I think isn't the subject of any of those resources. However, since I've been part of homeschooling for longer than you've been alive, your accusation, as usual, is your boomerang.

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May I ask, do you have a wife and children?  If so, what is the way you educate them?

Thank you for asking. I've had to put two different pictures to capture them:



At present, the plan is to educate them in a Waldorf School (the elder start next week).

Wonderful!

The bias you present would be from people that host negative opinions on homeschoolers.  There are hand fulls of these folks.

You do not have school aged children.  Yours are beautiful, yet young.

We on the other hand homeschool 5 children and have for 10 years.  We at a time distributed Saxan and Alpha Omega Publications.  We found Rod & Staff to be a superior curriculum through grade 8.  After that it's a lot of combination, but mostly Saxon.

We also attend a learning center (because we both can't stand to teach foreign languages - Spanish) and we belong to two Homeschool groups.

Along with that my son has a mowing service and my daughter actually makes good money selling baby chicks.

In Texas, homeschooling is considered a private school.   We'll send them to a community college in Dallas county (one we like) if they so choose to do their SAT tests.  At that time they can make the decisions or their own lives, college or work, etc.


Why do you not teach foreign languages - because you don't know them, or because you don't like them?

And you live in Texas, where I'm sure a majority of the population are bilingual, or soon will be.

If you don't give the children any training in other languages, especially Spanish given where you live, how will they do anything outside the towns where they currently live?
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
It only works where and if there is a huge set of nurturing, healthy and structured families.

Not even an immaginable starting point for most people I know.

No, it doesn't work.

Yep, and the Anabaptist divorce rate is 2%.  ::)

ZERO divorces in my wife's church.  ZERO divorces in the Beachy church in Lott, TX.



Would they even be allowed to divorce?
YES.

But not re-married.

I come from a societal group where there are ZERO allowable divorces too.


Big whoop-dee-doo   

All that means is that there are people who realize the social repercussions for a divorce and so they instead remain married...often times being verbally abused, or subjected to their partner's bad life choices. 

I personally know people who have had to live with alcoholic partners, who drove the family into poverty.....or abused their wives ...but look ma, no divorce.

But hey....mennonites never have any societal problems....so that wouldn't happen to them.

The difference is Divorce IS allowed in Mennonite churches.  Re-marriage is not.

So, you don't follow the state law?

Then again, if you view marriage as a male fiefdom where you buy and keep property, I guess that's all that matters.


Hopefully I answered the question above.  Home school is considered a private school in Texas.  We not only follow state minimum requirements, we far exceed it.

I was talking about the state law regarding marriage.
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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
It's how the Mennonites view things.

It's how your "Mennonites" view things.

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Gosh really? I know we're sinners, but haven't we suffered enough?
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I'm not Mennonite brother. Look at my faith.  :)

You're not Mennonite?

You really think you're still Orthodox?

So when I posted 2 Peter 1:20, you didn't get the point at all.

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Re: Biblical Courtship
« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2015, 08:12:17 PM »
If the young lady dislikes the young man at any time during any event, the courtship can be called off, or if the young man dislikes the courtship at any time, it may be called off too.  (if there are quirks, incompatibility, or somebody picks boogers.... who knows? - If it just doesn't work).  With hands off, there are no regrets.  The young lady or man remains pure for their future spouse.  

The entire end goal of any "biblical courtship" scenario is marriage.  No ifs, ands, or buts.  The bolded phrase is a lie.  The emotional investment alone is more than painful.  You merely have to look online for many, many examples.  I personally know of a few young folks who went through this nonsense.  In the end, it's just a way for untrusting men to "protect" their daughter's genitalia, rather than their hearts (silly, when the common-believed purpose of such courtship is to "protect their daughter's heart).

Did you have a biblical-based courtship with your wife?
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