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Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« on: May 23, 2005, 03:36:16 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=ZWSVQGZHDKDTHQFIQMGCM5WAVCBQUJVC?xml=/news/2005/05/17/wfran17.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/05/17/ixnewstop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=4535

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By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 17/05/2005)


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Language, history, cooking and support for rival football teams still divide Europe. But when everything else fails, one glue binds the continent together: hatred of the French.

Typically, the French refuse to accept what arrogant, overbearing monsters they are.

But now after the publication of a survey of their neighbours' opinions of them at least they no longer have any excuse for not knowing how unpopular they are.

Why the French are the worst company on the planet, a wry take on France by two of its citizens, dredges up all the usual evidence against them. They are crazy drivers, strangers to customer service, obsessed by sex and food and devoid of a sense of humour.

But it doesn't stop there, boasting a breakdown, nation by nation, of what in the French irritates them.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Britons described them as "chauvinists, stubborn, nannied and humourless". However, the French may be more shocked by the views of other nations.

For the Germans, the French are "pretentious, offhand and frivolous". The Dutch describe them as "agitated, talkative and shallow." The Spanish see them as "cold, distant, vain and impolite" and the Portuguese as "preaching". In Italy they comes across as "snobs, arrogant, flesh-loving, righteous and self-obsessed" and the Greeks find them "not very with it, egocentric bons vivants".

Interestingly, the Swedes consider them "disobedient, immoral, disorganised, neo-colonialist and dirty".

But the knockout punch to French pride came in the way the poll was conducted. People were not asked what they hated in the French, just what they thought of them.

"Interviewees were simply asked an open question - what five adjectives sum up the French," said Olivier Clodong, one of the study's two authors and a professor of social and political communication at the Ecole Superieur de Commerce, in Paris. "The answers were overwhelmingly negative."
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 03:46:20 AM »
Hehe....this is quite refreshing.. O0

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...one glue binds the continent together: hatred of the French...

Actually, that's something that just about binds the whole Globe togethor lol!

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Interestingly, the Swedes consider them "disobedient, immoral, disorganised, neo-colonialist and dirty".

Wow!! I don't even have a good comparision of what it would be like to be called "Immoral" coming from the Swedes lol.....this is just too funny! Any nation that also refuses to bathe on a semi-regular basis and bashes McDonalds yet gives them more business per franchise there than almost anywhere else in the world, and charges three different prices for a cup of coffee based SOLELY on WHERE in the cafe you sit, deserves to be thrown upon the ash heap of history haha!

I don't want to be to mean to our French friends though......In all fairness the french would say something like, "Zee poll, szhe is biaszed! Only ze Frahnch are intelligent enough to appreciate ze Frahnch!  ;D
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 03:58:44 AM »
Has anyone seen European Vacation? The Frenchmen in the film are classic!
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 04:20:42 AM »
"Freedom fries" anyone?  ;)





Perhaps some "freedom toast"?  :laugh:  ;D




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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 06:41:15 AM »
Oh, brother...FREEDOM toast... ::)

From SNL:

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In protest to France’s opposition to a U.S. war on Iraq, the U.S. congress’ cafeteria has changed French Fries and French Toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast. Afterwards, the congressmen were so pleased with themselves, they all started Freedom Kissing each other.

Tina Fey: In a related story, in France, American Cheese is now referred to as Idiot Cheese.

Jimmy Fallon: Trust me! They're laughing at us! French fries aren't even French! They're Belgian. Some American guy named thm wrong, to begin with. Also, Americans - they're pouring bottles of French wine down the toilet. Stop it! You already paid for the wine, you dopes! Pee in the wine, and sel it to some French people! Then, you're doing something!

Tina Fey: Yeah! And, you know, don't think that by eating Freedom Fries, you're being patriotic and helping the war effort. Use less gasoline! Read a newspaper! You know? How about you cool it with the Freedom Fries, anyway, you fat a---s! We're the fattest country in the world! Have you ever walked around an American mall? It's nothing but Chick-Fil-A's and Lane Bryant track suits busting at the seams!

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 06:57:12 AM »
I don't discriminate -I hate everyone! ;D

But seriously, is it nice to bash anyone? We're supposed to be a Christian forum.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 08:54:59 AM »
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and the Greeks find them "not very with it, egocentric bons vivants".


I generally have nothing against the French, but somehow, the only french woman I know (my previous english teacher) sure did smell ugly! :)

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 09:08:11 AM »
A couple of French women on holiday in Greece tried to order coffee in English at a local cafe, and while the manager knew English and understood their requests, he deliberately responded in Greek, which the two women were unable to comprehend thus making them very frustrated indeed. Eventually he spoke to them in English, only to point out that if he was holidaying in Fance, the French would expect him to communicate with them in French, and he wanted to know why they held to a different standard when travelling themselves.

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 09:31:13 AM »
A couple of French women on holiday in Greece tried to order coffee in English at a local cafe, and while the manager knew English and understood their requests, he deliberately responded in Greek, which the two women were unable to comprehend thus making them very frustrated indeed. Eventually he spoke to them in English, only to point out that if he was holidaying in Fance, the French would expect him to communicate with them in French, and he wanted to know why they held to a different standard when travelling themselves.

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Can't argue with THAT one.  :D
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 10:45:27 AM »
Well, while a Frenchman I'm friends with has been known to say, "I am the only French person I like," I have to say when I was in France, people were of all variety, just like in any other country. 
Granted they have a bad rap since they've been known throughout history as being obnoxious, but then again, what language did the Russian court and a lot of other European courts speak better than their own native tongue?  Who's fashions were considered the best?  How many French or French rooted words do we use in our daily life?  What restaurants do people go to on fancy occasions?   FRENCH!!! 

 This should be notedGǪ  Much of the reason the French see themselves on a pedestal is because their good neighbors put them there.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 10:47:18 AM »
Eventually he spoke to them in English, only to point out that if he was holidaying in Fance, the French would expect him to communicate with them in French, and he wanted to know why they held to a different standard when travelling themselves.

What'd they have to say?
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2005, 10:54:37 AM »
Really, the hatred of France thing seems to only be a western European thing (nowadays Europe seems to always mean EU). In the east it certainly doesn't seem to be so apparent. Actually, the universally hated country in eastern Europe (particularly in any country that borders them) seems to be Hungary, but given their history that's hardly surprising.

The only time I've come across anti-French sentiment in eastern Europe was when I was in Romania during the 2000 European Football championship. One of the French commentators had referred to the Romanian side as gypsies, which didn't go down at all well. You'd have thought it was a major feast day when the Czech Republic knocked France out!

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2005, 11:52:01 AM »
With a french accent: "I fart in your general direction!"

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2005, 01:03:21 PM »
Vive le France!








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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2005, 02:09:33 PM »
Hi all!

Pearls from the mouth of Charles DeGaulle:

"How can anyone govern a nation that has 246 different kinds of cheese?"

"I have tried to lift France out of the mud. But she will return to her errors and vomitings. I cannot prevent the French from being French." 

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At the Versailles Conference, when French Premier Georges Clemenceau was working himself into quite a state about how the Allies had to stick it to the Germans, British PM Lloyd George suggested that he calm down a bit. Clemenceau was so emotionally worked up that he accused Lloyd George & England of being enemies of France. Woodrow Wilson & Italian PM Orlando were aghast. Unflappable Welshman that he was, Lloyd George calmly replied, "But that's been traditional British policy for the past 800 years. What are you so upset about?" Clemenceau burst out laughing & the four men went back to work.

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2005, 04:48:30 PM »
At Vatican city, no one is allowed to enter Saint Peter's Bascilica wearing shorts or revealing clothing. It is considered disrespectful and inappropriate. To put it bluntly, if you try to go in in shorts, it won't be permitted. They will turn you away. Even if it is 90 degrees. I once read an article where a reporter asked a doorkeeper at St. Peter's how tourists respond to that rule. And he said and I quote:
   "The Japanese tourists are, without exception, the most polite. When I tell them shorts are not permitted in the bascilica, they apologize and say "So sorry" and meekly walk away, usually to return later in proper clothing.
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2005, 07:28:11 PM »
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2005, 12:28:02 PM »
Nacho,

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Actually, that's something that just about binds the whole Globe togethor lol!

Mmm...I hate to burst your bubble, but it tends to be another red, white, and blue flag which gets that reaction... :(


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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2005, 12:49:49 PM »
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Mmm...I hate to burst your bubble, but it tends to be another red, white, and blue flag which gets that reaction..

Yea, that goes with the territory though. The world will hate whoever happens to be on top at the moment and that's something that has always happened to other super powers in history. People may say that hate us, but that still doesn't stop them moving here in droves because they know they will do much better here. It's basically damned if we do, damned if we don't. If we decided at some point to become very protectionist and closed ourselves off to the rest of the world , I'm sure then everyone would be bitching about how America is hogging all it's wealth and helping nobody else. I actually wish we would do that because I'm tired of hearing the complainers. I'm sick of all my tax dollars being wasted on the rest of the world's problems.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2005, 01:55:09 PM »
My father-in-law worked for a French company in Paris for several years.  Just before we got married my father-in-law caught one of the French employees embezzling money.  He took it to the proper person at their office.  My father-in-law was immediately given "early retirement" costing him a lot of money he would get in his pension if he stayed on for another year.  The reason?  It was explained to him that non-French employees were not to be concerned with the activities of French employees.  Last he heard, the embezzler was still employed. 

This isn't a small company either.

Of course my father-in-law used to love to give the French a lot of crap, so he was probably getting some payback.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2005, 05:30:29 PM »


When my dad went to France when he was younger, he would excitedly try to use his French he learned in high school to people he'd meet, only to receive the answer, "I'm sorry, I don't speak English" (i.e. in English, not French).....this happened several times, to the point where he finally gave up communicating to French people in their own language.

A couple of years ago, he made a trip to Kenya.  At a buffet at a hotel there, he was standing in line, when this French woman came up to him and asked, in English, "Where is the salt?".  He returned the question with the answer, "Je ne parles pas Francais".
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2005, 03:23:16 AM »
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With a french accent: "I fart in your general direction!"

"Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries!"  :laugh:

"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"   8)   ;D

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2005, 11:29:13 PM »
"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!" 8) ;D

Hey, thats my line! ::)
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2005, 02:56:19 AM »
Those who hate others, hate themselves....

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2005, 08:23:49 AM »
And those who hate themselves hate sausages.

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2005, 11:50:47 AM »
Those who hate others, hate themselves....

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No one said that we hated the wine-snotring filthy French. ;D :D But when you see attitudes that are bigger than most professional wrestlers just obecause one happens to be French (and especially Parisians), and a united disdain and intollerance for anything not French, what can you conclude? They hate themselves so much that they must hate themselves a whole lot right? Not really. They are in love with themselves...or at least in lust. ;) Myself, I have this opinion. If they would not turn down their noses at us, and maybe put on some deoderant and take a bath, they might be decent folk. But I will continue to love, nonetheless, in a Christian manner, the wine-snorting Filthy French. ;D ;) :D


And those who hate themselves hate sausages.

STOP THE INSANITY!

Speaking of sausage, I'm making a big pot of beans this afternoon. A-la-charra style. And I bough two kinds of links for the occasion. Now All I need is some cilantro, and some YooHoo to wash it down with once it's finished. Must learn to make my own sausage one day.......
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2005, 12:13:54 PM »

Speaking of sausage, I'm making a big pot of beans this afternoon.  A-la-charra style.  And I bough two kinds of links for the occasion.  Now All I need is some cilantro, and some YooHoo to wash it down with once it's finished.  Must learn to make my own sausage one day.......   

Actually, something very delicious from the Languedoc region of France with Sausage and Beans (I think mostly white beans) is called Cassoulet or some such thing.  Tasty.....

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2005, 03:43:37 PM »
I burst my pimples at you, I empty my nostrils at you

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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2005, 05:22:54 PM »
Hey, I give props.  The French have the food thing down.  Provincial French food is the bomb.  Nuveau French cuisine is not to my liking though.  And the wine isnt bad either.  But I like the Italian and Spanish country food just as well. 

And you get less flack for not speaking the lingo.  ::)
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2005, 05:25:09 PM »
With a french accent: "I fart in your general direction!"



"Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries!" :laugh:

"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!" 8) ;D

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2005, 05:26:04 PM »
Actually, when I was in Europe, I thought the French people were the more pleasant (excepting the Greek) out of the bunch....it was the Germans I didn't particularly care for.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2005, 09:19:26 PM »
I liked the Germans when I was in Europe. I found them to be helpful, courteous, and a WHOLE LOT more patient than the French. And the Austrians, they were even nicer than the Germans. Kind of like Germans, but with more warmth and charm.

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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2005, 09:21:09 PM »
hmmmm....then perhaps you were in former East Germany.....less pretentious there I suppose.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2005, 09:57:16 PM »
hmmmm....then perhaps you were in former East Germany.....less pretentious there I suppose.

Never was there, but my sentiments are the same as Tikhon's.  BUT, I never had any BAD encounters with the French.    It helps to be outgoing and humble of heart.

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2005, 11:00:45 PM »
  My German instructor and a lady from German have both told me that Germans are difficult to know, yet they aren't facke like Americans.  When you do finally get close to one, they'll be your friend for life.  Where as Americans will forget about you in no time.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2005, 11:45:27 PM »
I really enjoyed Germany and the Germans I encountered there.  It helped probably that my sister, with whom I was travelling while I was in Germany is fluent in German.  And the beer.... how wonderful.  I'm not sure which is worse American or Greek beer.... at least I can buy it legally in Greece and it is cheap - what else will get me through school the next five years?

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2005, 04:15:15 AM »
As someone with both German and (the shame!  ;) ) French blood in the family, I'd have to say there are problems with both - as there are with all people. The French, particularly Parisians, are generally arrogant, xenophobic and refuse to speak other languages on their own soil. If they could only save a tourist's life by speaking English, they probably wouldn't help. (I realise I'm making generalisations here, but if my cousins from St. Raphael and Lille can say such things about their countryman, they can't be far off the mark.)

Germans, on the other hand, can often be humourless and they're often way too far to the left for my tastes - probably a reaction to their history. I also can't handle the kids who feel personally guilt for the crimes of an Austrian older than their grandparents. They really need to move on some time. Germans will, however, in contrast to the French, be only too happy to speak English or other languages if they can. Bavarians are, however, an exception - they're really parochial, almost as xenophobic as the French and even look down on other Germans.

As for Cassoulet (whoever mentioned it), I'm not sure where it originally comes from, but you find different versions of it all over France. The Languedoc version is a bit pale and bland to my tastes and, of course, my grandmother's was easily the best in all France  ;). I'd have to admit that I love the stuff - but rustic peasant food has always been my favourite.

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2005, 04:57:23 AM »
Still I like some of the German humorlessness - only in that I am use to the American superficial happiness.  Especially consider that I work retail and here the big thing is "customer service" which entails constantly being cheerful to an uttery fake extent.  I like the fact that not having a false smile isn't considered rude - it is just more real feeling to me.  And I love s-bahns and busses that run on time.... Greeks and their timing is enough to drive anyone one that values being puntual insane.  Still, all in all I really enjoyed my short stay in Germany, finding most everyone I met to be very kind and helpful.   

I never dealt with France while I was in Europe, but I can easily say the worst experiences I had were dealing with the English at Heathrow Airport (now there is a true foretaste of hell).  Granted it isn't the average person's fault that that has to be one of the most poorly designed airports - but good grief would it kill them to be a little helpful?  Since I am flying back to Greece in early September, one of my ticket options is a nine hour lay over in Heathrow or making three extra flight transfers.... at this point I don't know which is worse. 

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2005, 05:14:00 AM »
Oh, I totally agree with you on Heathrow - I absolutely hate the place. It suffers from two major problems. Firstly, it's badly designed (actually it's just sort of grown over time) and secondly, it's in the south (sorry anyone here who's a southerner). I've lived all over Britain at various times in my life and I have to say that the further south and east you travel, and particularly as you approach London, the more likely you are to encounter unfriendly, unhelpful people. I have no idea why this is (overcrowding, perhaps?), but they just seem less open and a bit stand-offish, particularly when compared to, say, Northumbrians. Obviously, the fact that British immigration officials always seem to be complete @***holes doesn't help things when it comes to Heathrow, either.

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2005, 12:47:06 PM »
Still I like some of the German humorlessness - only in that I am use to the American superficial happiness. Especially consider that I work retail and here the big thing is "customer service" which entails constantly being cheerful to an uttery fake extent. I like the fact that not having a false smile isn't considered rude - it is just more real feeling to me.

I am in complete agreement with you there...American fakeness absolutely nauseates me....that's why i absolutely HATE working in customer service jobs....especially when you have to deal with old (usually white) people, they are the worst at fakeness and expecting you to be fake......and when people you don't even know ask how you are!!....like, GUY!!!  I don't even know you!...like you really care how I'm doing!

I like it better in Russia, where if someone is asked how they are, they sit down and list all their problems and griefs.....I wish it was like this in America.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2005, 12:53:42 PM »
I dont even know where to start with France(correction: Parisians)...Its imperialistic views, elitist/racial attitudes, arrogance, horrible cheese, its hypocritical stance on the US when they occupy Ivory Coast for economic means... ah the french..giving a new meaning to the definition of snobby.
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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2005, 01:47:03 PM »
My German instructor and a lady from German have both told me that Germans are difficult to know, yet they aren't facke like Americans. When you do finally get close to one, they'll be your friend for life. Where as Americans will forget about you in no time.

This is VERY true.  This can't be emphasized enough.  I think this may apply to many different continental Europeans (maybe even many French).

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2005, 07:08:44 PM »
I love the fact that the Germans and the Russian both do not pretend to be happy if they are not. And I love the way they refuse to have fake smiles on their faces like we Americans do.  Perhaps this is because I was raised by a non-nonsense authoritarian German mother and a stiff upper lip Welsh father? But in my childhood home, which was far from being humorless, we did not smile all the time. We smiled when something PLEASED us. The rest of the time were we dutiful and kind of stoic, but very affectionate.

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Re: Europe Unites in Hatred of French
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2005, 03:05:28 AM »
I dont even know where to start with France(correction: Parisians)...Its imperialistic views, elitist/racial attitudes, arrogance, horrible cheese, its hypocritical stance on the US when they occupy Ivory Coast for economic means... ah the french..giving a new meaning to the definition of snobby.

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"The French don't follow anyone...and no one follows the French."

I imagine Europe, not to mention the entire world, would be quite a bit more boring without the French.  :D
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