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Offline evyenios

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Who appoints Patriarchates?
« on: May 26, 2005, 03:28:56 PM »
So, I was thinking about this latest row over the Patriarch of Jerusalem...

Who appointed him? Does the Church in Greece or Constantinople appoint other Patriarchs?

For that matter, who appoints the Patriarch of Antioch? Or Alexandria?

In the Roman Catholic Church, this question is easily answered: The Pope appoints all of the senior bishops of the church. But in the Orthodox Church, with its principles of collegiality, who appoints the most senior hierarchs of the Orthodox church? Other hierarchs?

 Or do the individual bishops in those countries with autonomous Orthodox churches get together and appoint one of their own?
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Re: Who appoints Patriarchates?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2005, 06:20:32 PM »
Well, I can tell you what happened with the new Patriarch of Alexandria. When our last Patriarch Petros VI, was assassi...killed in a helicopter accident in Greece last year, all the bishops of the patriarchate got together and voted for the top three candidates for the new position. Then, the metropolitans of the patriarchate had another secret ballot (for the three candidates), where they unanimously voted Theodoros, Metropolitan of Zimbabwe and Southern African, the new patriarch. Hope that answers your question.  ;)

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Re: Who appoints Patriarchates?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2005, 06:43:22 PM »
When our last Patriarch Petros VI, was assassi...killed in a helicopter accident

Assassinated?!?  That's a serious statement.  On what is it based? 

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Re: Who appoints Patriarchates?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2005, 08:49:53 PM »
That is the common sentiment on the Holy Mountain as well, although the exact story changes depending on whom you ask.  I am not so sure there is any factual evidence to support this claim, but conspiracy theories are treated a little differently there than here (for example - I simply could not convince people that Jews actually were killed on September 11th). 

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Re: Who appoints Patriarchates?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2005, 04:25:27 AM »
I think you mean Patriarchs, not Patriarchates - Patriarchates are churches, not bishops. The short answer is that a Patriarch is elected by the Holy Synod of their Patriarchate. The Holy Synod can also depose a Patriarch, has the right to accept or decline a Patriarch's resignation (the Holy Synod of Romania for instance, declined to accept Patriarch Teoctist's resignation after the December Revolution) etc. It's therefore up to the Jerusalem Holy Synod whether Irineos is deposed or not. I believe (but really am not sure because of the appalling ignorance of westerners who report on Orthodoxy) that the Holy Synod have indeed deposed him, though I'm not sure if this was done officially or not. If this is the case Irineos should just go, especially as all the other Patriarchs refuse torecognise him.

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