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Homage to Catalonia
« on: November 14, 2014, 02:49:23 AM »
Homage to Catalonia was written by George Orwell in 1938 describing Orwell's service in the Spanish Civil War.  Orwell writes against Communism; however, I don't think he's glorifying fascism or describing fascism as an alternative government.  I admit that I haven't read the book although I find it interesting to analyze Orwell's writings before he wrote the famous Animal Farm and 1984.

One can read the book online.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2014, 03:04:44 AM »
I have not read Homage to Catalonia.  I enjoyed both Animal Farm and 1984.  I'll need to go to the bookstore soon.  So many books to read, not enough lifetime.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2014, 03:33:14 AM »
Homage to Catalonia was written by George Orwell in 1938 describing Orwell's service in the Spanish Civil War.  Orwell writes against Communism; however, I don't think he's glorifying fascism or describing fascism as an alternative government.  I admit that I haven't read the book although I find it interesting to analyze Orwell's writings before he wrote the famous Animal Farm and 1984.

One can read the book online.

He doesn't. He celebrated Catalonia's Anarchist federation the CNT-FAI. Not the fascist government of Franco.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2014, 03:36:49 AM »
I have not read Homage to Catalonia.  I enjoyed both Animal Farm and 1984.  I'll need to go to the bookstore soon.  So many books to read, not enough lifetime.

Tell me about it. As long as we're talking books written by avowed socialists... Read Sinclair Lewis, Jack London, and Upton Sinclair, and Oscar Wilde.

They're on my reading list.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2014, 03:57:47 AM »
I have not read Homage to Catalonia.  I enjoyed both Animal Farm and 1984.  I'll need to go to the bookstore soon.  So many books to read, not enough lifetime.

Tell me about it. As long as we're talking books written by avowed socialists... Read Sinclair Lewis, Jack London, and Upton Sinclair, and Oscar Wilde.

They're on my reading list.

I've read some of each, but not recently.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2014, 09:09:07 AM »
Not the fascist government of Franco.

Franco wasn't a fascist, though. He had more in common with De Maistre than Mussolini.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2014, 09:50:14 PM »
Something many people in the US would find controversial, especially in our modern setting:

"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on." -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2014, 11:46:04 PM »
Something many people in the US would find controversial, especially in our modern setting:

"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on." -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

Police are killing people throughout the country.  Maybe Orwell was spot on with his comments....

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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2014, 01:45:51 AM »
Something many people in the US would find controversial, especially in our modern setting:

"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on." -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

Police are killing people throughout the country.  Maybe Orwell was spot on with his comments....

Lol, more people are killed by people who are not police.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2014, 02:01:43 AM »
Something many people in the US would find controversial, especially in our modern setting:

"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on." -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

Police are killing people throughout the country.  Maybe Orwell was spot on with his comments....

Lol, more people are killed by people who are not police.

How does that relate back to Orwell?

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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2014, 02:03:57 AM »
Something many people in the US would find controversial, especially in our modern setting:

"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on." -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

Police are killing people throughout the country.  Maybe Orwell was spot on with his comments....

Lol, more people are killed by people who are not police.

How does that relate back to Orwell?
Police killings that have recently happened have nothing to do with workers fighting.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2014, 02:11:06 AM »
Something many people in the US would find controversial, especially in our modern setting:

"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on." -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

Police are killing people throughout the country.  Maybe Orwell was spot on with his comments....

Lol, more people are killed by people who are not police.

How does that relate back to Orwell?
Police killings that have recently happened have nothing to do with workers fighting.

Huh?   ???

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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2014, 02:22:50 AM »
Something many people in the US would find controversial, especially in our modern setting:

"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on." -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

Police are killing people throughout the country.  Maybe Orwell was spot on with his comments....

Lol, more people are killed by people who are not police.

How does that relate back to Orwell?
Police killings that have recently happened have nothing to do with workers fighting.

The important point is that the police are just as dangerous as any other type of organized violent force.
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Re: Homage to Catalonia
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2014, 10:43:27 AM »
Homage to Catalonia was written by George Orwell in 1938 describing Orwell's service in the Spanish Civil War.  Orwell writes against Communism; however, I don't think he's glorifying fascism or describing fascism as an alternative government.  I admit that I haven't read the book although I find it interesting to analyze Orwell's writings before he wrote the famous Animal Farm and 1984.

One can read the book online.

It's a short book and well worth reading.

Orwell is very clearly in the left-wing, socialist camp. He states that his intention was to join one of the anarchist militias; however, he ends up joining a militia belonging to the POUM (a small Marxist party allied with the anarchists). He wasn't an anarchist but was strongly sympathetic to the anarchists and saw them as best serving the interests of the working class in Spain. He describes a bit what life is like in Barcelona under working class control, and this is mainly under the aegis of the CNT-FAI (the CNT was the anarchist mass trade union and the FAI was the political organization connected with it).

His viewpoint is not so much anti-communist as anti-Stalinist- he experiences firsthand the opportunist, manipulative, backstabbing tactics of Stalinism which ultimately contributed to the victory of fascism in Spain.
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