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Offline troy

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Theosis and the Early Church
« on: May 19, 2005, 09:56:40 PM »
When talking to many of my Protestant friends about Orthodoxy, our discussion often centers around salvation and difference between the Orthodox view and the Protestant one. I was wondering if anyone could help show me an early Church father that describes salvation as a process (theosis). Protestants generally want some kind of evidence to prove one's point, so I'd like to show an early Church father that obviously salvation as a process. I'd direct them to some obvious passages in the Bible...but we don't see things the same way.

Thanks for your help,
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2005, 01:54:26 AM »
You might find http://www.plasticsusa.com/ortho/etheosis.html interesting though not Patristic in content it does present the theology with clarity and with scriptural references which Protestants are usually keen on. You might also like http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/frag_salv.aspx
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2005, 07:24:33 PM »
It is good to study the Church Fathers on theosis, just make sure not to share anything you find with a Mormon.
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2005, 09:10:37 AM »
Thanks Philokalia, the first link was a good introduction with scripture to share with Protestants, and the second was good for me, someone who also comes to Orthodoxy from a Western, Protestant perspective.

Thanks again!
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 09:57:43 PM »
"God also is truly perfect in all things, Himself equal and similar to Himself, as He is all light, and all mind, and all substance, and the fount of all good; but man receives advancement and increase towards God. For as God is always the same, so also man, when found in God, shall always go on towards God. For neither does God at any time cease to confer benefits upon, or to enrich man; nor does man ever cease from receiving the benefits, and being enriched by God." - St. Ireneaus, Against Heresies, 4.11.2

"we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods; although God has adopted this course out of His pure benevolence, that no one may impute to Him invidiousness or grudgingness. He declares, 'I have said, You are gods; and you are all sons of the Highest.'" - St. Ireneaus, Against Heresies, 4.38.4

"For it is thus that you will both controvert them in a legitimate manner, and will be prepared to receive the proofs brought forward against them, casting away their doctrines as filth by means of the celestial faith; but following the only true and steadfast Teacher, the Word of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, who did, through His transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself." - St. Ireneaus, Against Heresies, 5.Preface

"You have, then, God's promise; you have His love: become partaker of His grace... And now the Word Himself clearly speaks to you, shaming your unbelief; yea, I say, the Word of God became man, that you may learn from man how man may become God. Is it not then monstrous, my friends, that while God is ceaselessly exhorting us to virtue, we should spurn His kindness and reject salvation?" - St. Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Heathen, 1

"But that man with whom the Word dwells does not alter himself, does not get himself up: he has the form which is of the Word; he is made like to God; he is beautiful; he does not ornament himself: his is beauty, the true beauty, for it is God; and that man becomes God, since God so wills." - St. Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, 3.1

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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 02:17:30 AM »
I didn't know Troy Polamalu was a member of the forum
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 02:19:44 AM »
I didn't know Troy Polamalu was a member of the forum
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 02:23:34 AM »
I didn't know Troy Polamalu was a member of the forum
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 02:28:41 AM »
I didn't know Troy Polamalu was a member of the forum
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I think he's referring to troy from the GOA, which if I'm not mistaken is Troy Polamalu's jurisdiction.

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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 02:38:17 AM »
I didn't know Troy Polamalu was a member of the forum
???
I think he's referring to troy from the GOA, which if I'm not mistaken is Troy Polamalu's jurisdiction.
Yep it is
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2012, 07:45:10 AM »
"God has become man so that man might become god." (St. Athanasius The Great, Church Father, 293-373)
Maybe he wrote more?

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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2012, 08:39:50 AM »
I didn't know Troy Polamalu was a member of the forum
???
I think he's referring to troy from the GOA, which if I'm not mistaken is Troy Polamalu's jurisdiction.
Yep it is
I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that there are undoubtedly many men named Troy in the GOAA, so just because someone named troy from the GOA posts here doesn't mean it's Troy Polamalu. BTW, if y'all check the guy's profile, you'll find a lot more information about this poster. For instance, this troy is much too young to be the Greek Orthodox NFL star safety. (Methinks Rottnek may be joking with us.)
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Re: Theosis and the Early Church
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2012, 07:37:46 PM »
I didn't know Troy Polamalu was a member of the forum
???
I think he's referring to troy from the GOA, which if I'm not mistaken is Troy Polamalu's jurisdiction.
Yep it is
I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that there are undoubtedly many men named Troy in the GOAA, so just because someone named troy from the GOA posts here doesn't mean it's Troy Polamalu. BTW, if y'all check the guy's profile, you'll find a lot more information about this poster. For instance, this troy is much too young to be the Greek Orthodox NFL star safety. (Methinks Rottnek may be joking with us.)

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