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Why doesn't anyone speak normally anymore?
I am happy when people use proper grammar: for example, proper use of an adverb (normally) following a verb.
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Why doesn't anyone speak normally anymore?
I am happy when people use proper grammar: for example, proper use of an adverb (normally) following a verb.
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You mean, "He hit it it quickly" is incorrect and, "He quickly hit it" is more less acceptable? even though there is a subtle difference?

How about your above sentence, "I am happy when people use proper grammar"
The modifier of the use of grammar would be "properly" such as "I am happy when people properly use grammar" or "I am happy when people use grammar properly" even more correct?
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Pardon me, but using "proper grammar" and using grammar properly don't (necessarily) convey the same intent. :) No wonder my grandparents had such trouble with the English language!  ;)

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^My late mother would fail to see the humor, but she influenced my oldest whose PhD advisor asked him where he learned grammar, as so little of it seemed to have stuck on the science majors.  ;)

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I had a question about the Mayan Orthodox in Guatemala, but it isn't important enough to start a new thread...

On one of the blogs that detail missionary activities in Guatemala it mentions translating materials into both Spanish and 'local dialects,' and I was wondering if these dialects were something falling under Spanish, or if it rather means the various kinds of Mayan?

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I think the latter.
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It's definitely Mayan. I hear Maya refer to all outsiders as Spanish, like the Amish call everyone English.
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Ok, thanks for the info :)

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I had a question about the Mayan Orthodox in Guatemala, but it isn't important enough to start a new thread...

On one of the blogs that detail missionary activities in Guatemala it mentions translating materials into both Spanish and 'local dialects,' and I was wondering if these dialects were something falling under Spanish, or if it rather means the various kinds of Mayan?

Various Mayan dialects is what is meant by the statement, as others have mentioned.  One of our local clergy, Fr. John Chakos (one of the early movers-and-shakers with OCMC, former long-term missionary, and now semi-retired priest) spends 4-6 months per year in Guatemala helping catechize, train their seminarians, and other things (and his Pres. Sandy has trained local seamstresses to make vestments, a source of revenue for the mission).  He even teaches some classes via Skype when he's back stateside.  He has mentioned that there are a plethora of dialects which can be difficult to navigate (similar to sub-saharan Africa). 
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Why the big numbers?

Mayans love big numbers.
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I had a question about the Mayan Orthodox in Guatemala, but it isn't important enough to start a new thread...

On one of the blogs that detail missionary activities in Guatemala it mentions translating materials into both Spanish and 'local dialects,' and I was wondering if these dialects were something falling under Spanish, or if it rather means the various kinds of Mayan?

Various Mayan dialects is what is meant by the statement, as others have mentioned.  One of our local clergy, Fr. John Chakos (one of the early movers-and-shakers with OCMC, former long-term missionary, and now semi-retired priest) spends 4-6 months per year in Guatemala helping catechize, train their seminarians, and other things (and his Pres. Sandy has trained local seamstresses to make vestments, a source of revenue for the mission).  He even teaches some classes via Skype when he's back stateside.  He has mentioned that there are a plethora of dialects which can be difficult to navigate (similar to sub-saharan Africa).

+1 thanks for the further info

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Just wondering: have any of the Orthodox in Guatemala converted to the Catholic Church along with Fr. Andrew Vujisic?  He was reported in the past to be involved in distance education of the Guatemalans.

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Just wondering: have any of the Orthodox in Guatemala converted to the Catholic Church along with Fr. Andrew Vujisic?  He was reported in the past to be involved in distance education of the Guatemalans.
Here is the reference to the involvement of the former Orthodox priest: Fr. Andrew (Zoran) Vujisic:  http://www.orthodoxtoronto.ca/guatemala.html

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  and following months of catechetical and pastoral preparation by the Mitered Archimandrite Andrew (Vujisić), ... Fourteen students from Guatemala, with full scholarship, are now enrolled in the St. Gregory Nazianzen Orthodox Theological Institute Licentiate degree program...Mitered Archimandrite Andrew (Vujisić) has now assumed the arduous task of preparing qualified men and women, indigenous to Guatemala and the Latin American culture and experience, for leadership roles in the Orthodox Church, thus advancing apostolic diakonia and outreach into the broader region, and creating an environment, that while fostering respect for indigenous cultures, will develop a proper knowledge and understanding of the Orthodox faith, leading our new Guatemalan family to a spiritual and sacramental life, an Orthodox phronema, and orthopraxia.

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Also, how many Orthodox or Orthodox-adjacent groups are operating down there? (I ask after finding out that the GOC old calendarists claim to have a mission and hermitage down there)

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Also, how many Orthodox or Orthodox-adjacent groups are operating down there? (I ask after finding out that the GOC old calendarists claim to have a mission and hermitage down there)

Unsure.  I'll try to remember to ask Fr. John next time I see him.
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I wonder how and why evangelisation became so intense in Guatemala. Anyway, it could well be a model, specially for rural regions.

Also, how many Orthodox or Orthodox-adjacent groups are operating down there? (I ask after finding out that the GOC old calendarists claim to have a mission and hermitage down there)
Beside the main Greek and Syriac groups, I'm aware of Antiochian and Russian presence, too.
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