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Hey all,
As I have finally found the answer to where God wants me to be, I need some help. I love the Liturgy of St. Basil in my Church, but I can't understand much of the Coptic parts. Can anyone direct me to any books or websites that teach Coptic to converts??? I have seen some sites, but they are incomplete as far as lessons go. Also, What dialect of Coptic is the Liturgy in, Bohairic or Sahidic??? What are the differences between them???
Thank You,
Adrian Davila
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henrikhankhagnell
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2011, 05:58:27 AM » |
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what is the relationship between coptic, arabic, greek and other languages?
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2011, 06:09:45 AM » |
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 07:33:20 AM » |
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what is the relationship between coptic, arabic, greek and other languages?
Coptic is an Afro-Asiatic language and for that reason has some commonalities with Arabic, but it's quite dissimilar to other semitic languages, and would be unintelligible to any Arabic speaker. Coptic vocabulary - particularly ecclesiastical - is replete with Greek loan words, and the Greek alphabet (with some other sounds) is used for writing. |
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henrikhankhagnell
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 08:00:11 AM » |
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what is the relationship between coptic, arabic, greek and other languages?
Coptic is an Afro-Asiatic language and for that reason has some commonalities with Arabic, but it's quite dissimilar to other semitic languages, and would be unintelligible to any Arabic speaker. Coptic vocabulary - particularly ecclesiastical - is replete with Greek loan words, and the Greek alphabet (with some other sounds) is used for writing. Are there many different dialects of coptic? |
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mabsoota
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 04:09:07 PM » |
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yes, few people actually speak it at home, so there are plenty of discussions (among those who only know what's in the liturgy) about how to pronounce it. it won't get you to heaven, though (don't tell the guys on the coptic forum!  ) so the best thing, if you go to a coptic church is to pronounce it like they do, which is usually the 'greco-bohairic' dialect that has a strong greek influence. most of the 'coptic' in the common congregation responses, is actually greek ('ke to pnevmati so; and with your spirit' and 'Agios o Theos; Holy God') so it comes in useful for when you're visiting a greek orthodox church which does not have translations. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 04:25:08 PM » |
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Hey all,
As I have finally found the answer to where God wants me to be, I need some help. I love the Liturgy of St. Basil in my Church, but I can't understand much of the Coptic parts. Can anyone direct me to any books or websites that teach Coptic to converts??? I have seen some sites, but they are incomplete as far as lessons go. Also, What dialect of Coptic is the Liturgy in, Bohairic or Sahidic??? What are the differences between them???
Thank You,
Adrian Davila
Can you read French? If so, there is a grammar of Bohairic, the dialect the Church uses http://books.google.com/books?id=zY4TAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=grammaire+copte+Mallon&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=falseGrammaire copte: avec bibliographie, chrestomathie et vocabulaire By Alexis Mallon |
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 08:40:11 PM » |
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Hey all,
As I have finally found the answer to where God wants me to be, I need some help. I love the Liturgy of St. Basil in my Church, but I can't understand much of the Coptic parts. Can anyone direct me to any books or websites that teach Coptic to converts??? I have seen some sites, but they are incomplete as far as lessons go. Also, What dialect of Coptic is the Liturgy in, Bohairic or Sahidic??? What are the differences between them???
Thank You,
Adrian Davila
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 09:20:13 PM » |
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St. Hripsimeh pray for us!
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 09:53:27 PM » |
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somewhere there was a thread about finding an OO Church. I just came across this, and I can't find the thread. Maybe someone can remember where it is. http://www.copticchurch.net/topics/directory/index.phpIt's only Coptic, but that's a start. |
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
and both come out of your mouth
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 07:08:52 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 02:44:40 PM » |
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thanks for all those links! i went on the southern u.s. copts site (suscopts.org) and found this useful phrase for next time i see my priest: 'nofri pen-yoat' (Hi Abouna) hi, copticuser20, i like yr use of coptic, just like your name just don't tell the guys on the other forum what i said about coptic  |
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 10:06:12 PM » |
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thanks for all those links! i went on the southern u.s. copts site (suscopts.org) and found this useful phrase for next time i see my priest: 'nofri pen-yoat' (Hi Abouna) hi, copticuser20, i like yr use of coptic, just like your name just don't tell the guys on the other forum what i said about coptic Gotcha |
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2011, 04:22:42 AM » |
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do all eastern orthodoxs pray like this or do their tradition differ from the russian and how would you say praying like this differ from oriental spirituality?
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