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Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« on: May 17, 2005, 09:51:29 AM »
You who have the Orthodox New Testament, (by Holy Apostles Convent and Dormition Skete), could you say which other Bible Translation its language is close to?
->Is it close to the language of the:
  • 1582-1609 Douay-Rheims?
  • 1752 Challoner?
  • 1769 Blaney revision of the AV/KJV?
  • 1833 Webster?
  • 1941 Confraternity version?

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2005, 10:04:09 AM »
In my experience most English speaking Orthodox here tend to use the KJV in one form or another, all the while realising it's not that good. Personally, I prefer my entirely Orthodox Romanian Bible, even if it does take me twice as long to read it. Until there's actually a real Orthodox translation of the Bible into English, this will probably continue to be the case. I do know, though, that some people seem to prefer the Douay-Rheims to the KJV.

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2005, 10:05:00 AM »
Many years.

If you are referring to ONT by Holy Apostles Convent and Dormition Skete?! then the language used is very close to AV. But, thats my impression, I could be wrong.

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2005, 09:57:06 PM »
Here is, just as an example, couple of verses from the Holy Gospel according to Matthew VII 1-3.

Cease judging, that ye be not judged; for with the judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye measure, it shall be measured in turn to you. And why lookest thou on the splinter that is in thy brother's eye; but perceivest not the beam in thy own eye.

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2005, 10:45:34 PM »
Here is a link to a recently updated huge thread on the Orthodox New Testament along with a few words from its creators even.
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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2005, 04:16:33 PM »
I think I'm going for Challoner

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2005, 01:02:43 PM »
Slotte,

I have many of the above mentioned translations. If you go with the Challoner revision of the Douay-Rheims, you will get basically a 18th century Latin Catholic revision of the King James Bible. The entire translation is made to reflect Latin Church theological/biblical understandings.

There is, what I consider, a modern day equivallent to this, which is the translation you first inquired about, i.e. The Orthodox New Testament. This is the first complete translation of the New Testament by Orthodox Christians that I know of in the English language. They used the old English of the King James Version as their base text but completely revised it in accord with Orthodox theological and biblical understanding. There are words and concepts in there that are entirely lost in all other Western, English translations. Therefore, based on this, I highly recommend it. Its the best I've seen yet (even though I'm not a big fan of old English).

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2005, 06:45:04 PM »
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even though I'm not a big fan of old English).

I would greatly like to see an Old English Bible released for general consumption -- it's a beautiful language.

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2005, 06:24:35 AM »
If you go with the Challoner revision of the Douay-Rheims, you will get basically a 18th century Latin Catholic revision of the King James Bible. The entire translation is made to reflect Latin Church theological/biblical understandings.
That sounds good. I just placed an order on both Challoner and Orthodox New Testament. (The idea is to compare with for example the 1970 New American Bible New Testament, which I already have, when I stumble across archaic words in the Orthodox New Testament.)
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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2005, 10:59:18 AM »


I would greatly like to see an Old English Bible released for general consumption -- it's a beautiful language.

Eadig by+¦ se wer ++e ne g+ª+¦ on ge++eaht unrihtwisra, ne on ++am wege ne stent synfulra, ne on heora wolb+ªrendum setle ne sitt...

Yes, it is a beautiful language and so is ancient Greek.  But neither one is my language.  I'd like to have an Orthodox Bible in my own tongue.  Come to think of it, I might just make my own.
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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2005, 11:21:53 AM »
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I'd like to have an Orthodox Bible in my own tongue.

Are you referring to Armenian or English?

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2005, 02:17:31 PM »
Actually I'm an American of Armenian descent.  Although I can read and speak a little Armenian, my native tongue is English.  Why do you ask?
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2005, 04:06:46 PM »
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Actually I'm an American of Armenian descent.  Although I can read and speak a little Armenian, my native tongue is English.  Why do you ask?

You had mentioned that you wished to have an Orthodox Bible in your own tongue; I was curious as to which one that was.

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2005, 03:46:35 PM »


You had mentioned that you wished to have an Orthodox Bible in your own tongue; I was curious as to which one that was.

Oh, that would be modern American English.
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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2005, 04:10:26 PM »
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Oh, that would be modern American English.

Alas, the closest you're probably going to come is the complete Orthodox Study Bible, when it's ever released. The Orthodox New Testament is actually in quite modern English; it is only very slightly archaic, mainly in the area of pronouns and verbs. In syntax, diction, and general feel, it's a lot closer to modern than to Elizabethan English.

This is a good example of true early modern English -- as compared with present-day English probably the most noticeable characteristic is its exceedingly complex syntax reminiscent of dense German writing, as well as the persistence of several highly Germanic constructions that are left over from Middle English, but have since disappeared.
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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2005, 05:37:33 PM »
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Alas, the closest you're probably going to come is the complete Orthodox Study Bible, when it's ever released. The Orthodox New Testament is actually in quite modern English; it is only very slightly archaic, mainly in the area of pronouns and verbs. In syntax, diction, and general feel, it's a lot closer to modern than to Elizabethan English.

reply: I agree. Its not that bad once you get used to it. I'd take it over the OSB any day (i.e. NKJV). I wonder if the translators are considering doing an "Orthodox Old Testament" to go along with their New?

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This is a good example of true early modern English -- as compared with present-day English probably the most noticeable characteristic is its exceedingly complex syntax reminiscent of dense German writing, as well as the persistence of several highly Germanic constructions that are left over from Middle English, but have since disappeared.

reply: I'm sorry, you lost me. Are you referring to modern English or something else? Please elaborate.

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2005, 10:02:08 PM »
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I'm sorry, you lost me. Are you referring to modern English or something else? Please elaborate.

A lot of people berate more traditional translations for their supposed archaicism and difficulty of understanding; I wasn't sure if you were one of them. If you were, I was pointing out that these so-called "archaic" translations, though they may use outdated pronouns and verb forms, are much closer to modern English than early modern English, and aren't really archaic at all. IOW, n/m. :)

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2005, 11:55:29 AM »
The Orthodox New Testament is actually in quite modern English; it is only very slightly archaic, mainly in the area of pronouns and verbs. In syntax, diction, and general feel, it's a lot closer to modern than to Elizabethan English.
reply: I agree. Its not that bad once you get used to it.
So, is the language of the Orthodox New Testament purhaps close to the 1941 Confraternity version? It seems that there would not be many hard-for-me-to-understand archaic words in the Orthodox New Testament, so right now I'm not feeling like buying the Confraternity version. (If someone has an superfluous Confraternity New Testament to sell to me, send a PM, there is no hurry, probably I'm not buying it for years.)

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2005, 02:46:20 AM »
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I wonder if the translators are considering doing an "Orthodox Old Testament" to go along with their New?

I dunno if they will release it as a single volume apart from the NT or only with both the OT & NT bound together, but anyways - here is the site: http://www.lxx.org/

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2005, 09:25:31 AM »
I cancelled the orders on the Challoner and Confraternity New Testaments, and I wont be buying them later. I'm satisfied with getting only the Orthodox New Testament.

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
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I dunno if they will release it as a single volume apart from the NT or only with both the OT & NT bound together, but anyways - here is the site: http://www.lxx.org/

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Actually I was referring to the "Orthodox New Testament" not the "Orthodox Study Bible - New Testament and Psalms."  The former is actually an Orthodox translation of the New Testament, the latter is a Protestant translation (NKJV) of the NT and Psalms with Orthodox notes.  The site you gave is for the new English Septuagint translated by the OSB writers which will use NKJV language (which looks promising).
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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2005, 05:05:32 AM »
new English Septuagint translated by the OSB writers which will use NKJV language (which looks promising).
That will mean that it will be formal equivalent!
I prefer dynamic equivalent New Testaments, such as:
  • '98 La Bible de J+¬rusalem. Nouv. +¬d. rev. et corr (A corresponding English translation is highly likely to come, but it'll take a while, probably the translation work hasn't even started yet, (if it even has been planned yet!). But I'll wait.)
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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
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Actually I was referring to the "Orthodox New Testament" not the "Orthodox Study Bible - New Testament and Psalms."

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Re: Orthodox New Testament, what does its language resemble?
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2005, 08:44:36 AM »
I am using ONT and Brenton's LXX.

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