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« on: May 15, 2005, 12:53:58 AM »

After reading the biography of St. Maxim Sandovich, I feel so proud to be an Orthodox Christian.  Polish Orthodoxy is alive and well- thanks be to God!  I was curious about where to find the following things:

Icon of St. Maxim Sandovich
Medal of St. Maxim Sandovich
Books in English about St. Maxim Sandovich.

Please respond if you know how to find any of these articles- especially a medal- I would be most appreciative!  PS.  I have seen the internet articles about St. Sandovich, but I would like to find an actual hard-copy of his life.

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2005, 08:44:37 AM »

[After reading the biography of St. Maxim Sandovich, I feel so proud to be an Orthodox Christian.  Polish Orthodoxy is alive and well- thanks be to God!  I was curious about where to find the following things:

Icon of St. Maxim Sandovich]

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http://www.comeandseeicons.com/zcj06.htm

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2005, 01:54:08 PM »

Thanks so much Orthodoc !  Keep the responses coming- especially regarding books and medals!
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2005, 03:34:10 PM »

Ahem...to be correct, I prefer "St. Maksym". Smiley

Spelling truer to his Polish/Lemko background, unless I'm wrong...again.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 12:38:35 PM »

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St. Maxim was born in the village of Zhdynia, Galicia. It was under the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but it had been part of the Ukraine.

This is totally wrong. This part of Galicia (Lemkovyna, in present-day Poland) was never "part of the[sic] Ukraine". Nor was it ever part of "Russia", for that matter.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2005, 01:20:51 PM »

[This is totally wrong.  This part of Galicia (Lemkovyna, in present-day Poland) was never "part of the[sic] Ukraine".  Nor was it ever part of "Russia", for that matter.]

I agree!

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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2005, 01:36:20 PM »

I've read about him before.

I know it may not be appropriate, but I love his name.  Maybe it's a little name envy.

I always thought that Ukrainians were a bit sensitive about using "the" in front of Ukraine.  I understand the whole "border" thing with the Russians.  I still call "Czech Repupblic" "the Czech Republic".  Of course I don't say "the Slovakia" or "the Germany" so Ukraine it be. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2013, 06:08:15 AM »

I've visitted the grave he used to be buried. And one of his sons used to be a rector of my grandfather's parish.

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Ahem...to be correct, I prefer "St. Maksym". Smiley

I prefer referring to saints and monastics in a language you are writing in. 3 languages in one sentence is not nice.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2013, 06:20:32 AM »

I've visitted the grave he used to be buried. And one of his sons used to be a rector of my grandfather's parish.

#epicbump

Ahem...to be correct, I prefer "St. Maksym". Smiley

I prefer referring to saints and monastics in a language you are writing in. 3 languages in one sentence is not nice.

Yeah, and I prefer discussing topics in the decade in which they were started.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2013, 06:21:14 AM »

I've visitted the grave he used to be buried. And one of his sons used to be a rector of my grandfather's parish.

#epicbump

Ahem...to be correct, I prefer "St. Maksym". Smiley

I prefer referring to saints and monastics in a language you are writing in. 3 languages in one sentence is not nice.

Yeah, and I prefer discussing topics in the decade in which they were started.

I'm bored at work.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2013, 10:03:44 AM »

Yeah, and I prefer discussing topics in the decade in which they were started.

LOL!
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2013, 11:11:12 AM »

So this relates to "Orthodox-Catholic Discussion" ... how?  Huh
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 11:12:01 AM »

So this relates to "Orthodox-Catholic Discussion" ... how?  Huh

Oh boy, duck.....we're going down the history hole soon....and not a pretty one either.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2013, 11:18:15 AM »

So this relates to "Orthodox-Catholic Discussion" ... how?  Huh

Oh boy, duck.....we're going down the history hole soon....and not a pretty one either.

No, I read the Orthodox Wiki article http://orthodoxwiki.org/Maxim_Sandovich:
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It was not very long before the Austrian militia discovered his Orthodox pastoral and missionary service as he was denounced by a Ukrainian teacher by the name of Leos, in 1912. Immediately the Austrian gendarmes put Fr. Maxim in chains and sent him to prison in Lvov. There he was held for two years without a trial or inquest while being abused horribly and living in equally bad conditions. Then as World War I was to begin he was released for lack of evidence.

Note it says it was the "Austrian militia" that arrested him. If you're going to tell me that Austria was actively persecuting the Orthodox, in the name of the Roman Catholic Church, at the beginning of World War I, I may need some documentation.

Also, sorry, but what is the point of this? That in the past, Catholics have persecuted Orthodox? Yes, it's true. And in the past Orthodox have persecuted Catholics. In fact, pretty much every Christian group has persecuted other Christian group at one time or another. The question is, how do we, today, keep from persecuting our fellow Christians, today?
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2013, 11:58:13 AM »

So this relates to "Orthodox-Catholic Discussion" ... how?  Huh

Oh boy, duck.....we're going down the history hole soon....and not a pretty one either.

No, I read the Orthodox Wiki article http://orthodoxwiki.org/Maxim_Sandovich:
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It was not very long before the Austrian militia discovered his Orthodox pastoral and missionary service as he was denounced by a Ukrainian teacher by the name of Leos, in 1912. Immediately the Austrian gendarmes put Fr. Maxim in chains and sent him to prison in Lvov. There he was held for two years without a trial or inquest while being abused horribly and living in equally bad conditions. Then as World War I was to begin he was released for lack of evidence.

Note it says it was the "Austrian militia" that arrested him. If you're going to tell me that Austria was actively persecuting the Orthodox, in the name of the Roman Catholic Church, at the beginning of World War I, I may need some documentation.

Also, sorry, but what is the point of this? That in the past, Catholics have persecuted Orthodox? Yes, it's true. And in the past Orthodox have persecuted Catholics. In fact, pretty much every Christian group has persecuted other Christian group at one time or another. The question is, how do we, today, keep from persecuting our fellow Christians, today?

I am NOT saying that, but others will.

My point of view regarding history and its value and the dangers of allowing its excesses to consume the minds, hearts and souls of the faithful are well documented over the years I have posted here. Louder poster than I will no doubt take issue with that. I'm sorry if my attempt at humor was misguided and led you to think I was throwing a Molotov cocktail.
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2013, 12:12:00 PM »

Note it says it was the "Austrian militia" that arrested him. If you're going to tell me that Austria was actively persecuting the Orthodox, in the name of the Roman Catholic Church, at the beginning of World War I, I may need some documentation.


You mean like Talerhof or Grabar's case?
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 12:17:39 PM »

[No, I read the Orthodox Wiki article http://orthodoxwiki.org/Maxim_Sandovich:
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It was not very long before the Austrian militia discovered his Orthodox pastoral and missionary service as he was denounced by a Ukrainian teacher by the name of Leos, in 1912. Immediately the Austrian gendarmes put Fr. Maxim in chains and sent him to prison in Lvov. There he was held for two years without a trial or inquest while being abused horribly and living in equally bad conditions. Then as World War I was to begin he was released for lack of evidence.

Note it says it was the "Austrian militia" that arrested him. If you're going to tell me that Austria was actively persecuting the Orthodox, in the name of the Roman Catholic Church, at the beginning of World War I, I may need some documentation.

 


Just a side note: the whole issue was a political one: Russia & Austria were enemies.  
Anyone who was a Russophile, whether Eastern Catholic or Orthodox was suspicious to the Austrian government.  Please note that both Catholic & Orthodox Russophiles were arrested at the time.
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Orthodox sympathies were characteristic of the people of the Carpathian Mountains, and to a lesser extent of the Galicians. Alarmed by the growth of these sympathies and correctly concluding that this growth was being directed toward rapprochement with Russia, the Austro-Hungarian authorities began to eradicate the "Russian" sedition. Unprecedented repressions were imposed upon the Russophile clergy, both Uniate and Orthodox. The area teemed with informers. Not only the gendarmes, village clerks and sheriffs, but also teachers and some of the clergy denounced their neighbors. It reached the point where, in some areas of Carpatho-Rus', the entire educated class --- priests, lawyers, judges, teachers, high school and university students, as well as peasants --- were arrested en masse. The prisons were quickly overflowing with those accused of treason.
In accordance with a directive issued by Vienna, the Uniate Metropolitan of Lviv, threatened by the growth of Orthodoxy, quickly shifted his ecclesiastical policy to one of isolation from all that was Orthodox and Russian. He drew up a Ukrainian Uniate ritual that differed significantly from Orthodox ritual. The names of saints especially revered in Russia were deleted from the calendar. The veneration of wonder-working icons of the all-holy Theotokos that had manifested themselves in Russia (e.g., the Iveron, Kazan and Pochaiev Icons) was proscribed. The word "Orthodox" was replaced in the divine services with "Catholic". Candidates suspected of Russophile sympathies were refused admittance to the Uniate seminaries, acceptance being confined exclusively to those who professed a Ukrainian outlook and were prepared to submit a written oath of hatred for Russia.
Throughout the Carpathian region a tremendous upheaval shook the parishes. Uniate priests of Russian persuasion were driven from their posts, their families were thrown out into the streets, and few were the courageous souls who dared to defy the authorities by sheltering the homeless. The parishes were then turned over to newly ordained priests who had received their education at the hands of the Jesuits at the Basilian College. The imposition of the new Ukrainian Uniate ritual was entrusted to the Jesuit-educated monks of the "Order of Saint Basil the Great". But if life had become so difficult for the Uniate Russophile clergy, it was far worse for the few Orthodox priests and their families in Carpatho-Rus' and Galicia. One such priest is Hieromartyr Maximus Sandovich, of blessed memory.

http://www.lemko.org/religion/maxim/1.html
Any book by Prof. John -Paul Hymka on that era is useful for the historical background.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2013, 01:53:16 PM »

So this relates to "Orthodox-Catholic Discussion" ... how?  Huh

Oh boy, duck.....we're going down the history hole soon....and not a pretty one either.

No, I read the Orthodox Wiki article http://orthodoxwiki.org/Maxim_Sandovich:
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It was not very long before the Austrian militia discovered his Orthodox pastoral and missionary service as he was denounced by a Ukrainian teacher by the name of Leos, in 1912. Immediately the Austrian gendarmes put Fr. Maxim in chains and sent him to prison in Lvov. There he was held for two years without a trial or inquest while being abused horribly and living in equally bad conditions. Then as World War I was to begin he was released for lack of evidence.

Note it says it was the "Austrian militia" that arrested him. If you're going to tell me that Austria was actively persecuting the Orthodox, in the name of the Roman Catholic Church, at the beginning of World War I, I may need some documentation.
http://books.google.com/books?id=TmXYeKOISCoC&pg=PA20&dq=%22He+assured+the+Austrian+government+that+he+had+already+taken+some+preliminary+steps+to+have+these+measures+approved+by+the+Vatican.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qw9gUs3TMoS0ygHk2oEQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22He%20assured%20the%20Austrian%20government%20that%20he%20had%20already%20taken%20some%20preliminary%20steps%20to%20have%20these%20measures%20approved%20by%20the%20Vatican.%22&f=false
Morality and Reality: The Life and Times of Andrei Sheptyts'kyi
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http://www.carpatho-rusynacademy.org/hissighet.html
Maramorosh Sighet trial

The New York Times ran an interesting series of articles on the Trial at the time.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2013, 03:38:07 PM »

I'm sorry if my attempt at humor was misguided and led you to think I was throwing a Molotov cocktail.

Aww - I'm sorry that I didn't recognize your Molotov sense of humor.  Cool  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2013, 09:43:06 PM »

St Maxim Sandovich? Is that something I can eat?
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