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Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:09:49 AM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
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The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
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Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
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However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2014, 11:15:16 AM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
....
The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
....
Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
....
However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2014, 11:30:43 AM »
I think, and I may be wrong, that the gay rights lobby feel it is mockery of marriage?

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2014, 11:39:38 AM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
....
The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
....
Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
....
However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
Yes, two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2014, 03:22:51 PM »
So, I guess if two men want to get married because they want to "stick it to the man" or society or something like that, that is perfectly fine, but if two men want to get married for rugby tickets,  all of a sudden you've gone too far?
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2014, 04:31:59 PM »
A marriage for fun huh... Whatever.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2014, 06:30:34 PM »
I don't understand how they can presume to judge worthiness of marriage based on intent, considering that arguments in favor of gay marriage are supposed to be anti-discriminatory.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2014, 06:48:14 PM »
Perhaps it is easier to obtain a quick divorce / annulment in New Zealand....   ???

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 06:57:23 PM »
So, I guess if two men want to get married because they want to "stick it to the man"
interesting choice of words.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 06:59:51 PM »
So, I guess if two men want to get married because they want to "stick it to the man"
interesting choice of words.

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2014, 07:08:01 PM »
I don't understand how they can presume to judge worthiness of marriage based on intent, considering that arguments in favor of gay marriage are supposed to be anti-discriminatory.

Exactly, Nephi. If "all you need is love" and we shouldn't get hung up on the details of any particular arrangement (the sex of the participants, for instance), then why is this suddenly such an outrage? It seems like this is the natural progression in the thinking that lead to gay marriage in the first place: Two people love each other, so what's the big deal? They're expressing who they are! And these two friends no doubt love each other on some level, and are expressing who they are...dudes who love rugby, each other...and the ladies. 8)

I'll be outraged about this Kiwi stunt when shameless harlotry like this isn't presented as "the greatest love story of our time" in the name of advancing societal acceptance of homosexuality at all costs (this isn't even about being for or against the "gay lifestyle" or agenda or whatever, but more that you know that if she had done this with another man rather than a woman, or if her ex-husband had done this to her with another woman, it would not be "the greatest love story of our time"; I originally saw the story at the link via Facebook and one of the comments there from a gay person hit the nail on the head, saying something like "You know, it's really hard to convince people who think that we're out to 'convert' them/their spouses and ruin straight marriages that this isn't the case when you present cheating and a divorce as a great love story. We're not, and it's not, so knock it off").

I'm tired of people complaining when they get what they wanted just because they didn't want it that way, or didn't mean for it to be extended to those people. Don't demand unfettered equality for all if you can't handle it actually applying to all. There are consequences to the social engineering that is being supported without question by large sectors of society. This is one. I don't look forward to seeing the next "outrage" or "greatest love story of our time".
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2014, 08:41:28 PM »
So, I guess if two men want to get married because they want to "stick it to the man"
interesting choice of words.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2014, 09:21:20 PM »
...two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
Just a guess:

Such mockery... is nothing sacred anymore?

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2014, 09:48:42 PM »
...two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
Just a guess:

Such mockery... is nothing sacred anymore?

Because of how sacred gay marriage is?  :P
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2014, 10:00:40 PM »
...two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
Just a guess:

Such mockery... is nothing sacred anymore?

Because of how sacred gay marriage is?  :P
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2014, 10:46:07 PM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
....
The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
....
Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
....
However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
Yes, two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2014, 10:47:28 PM by PeterTheAleut »
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2014, 11:00:58 PM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
....
The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
....
Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
....
However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
Yes, two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

Unless, it was all a charade.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2014, 11:06:08 PM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
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The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
....
Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
....
However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
Yes, two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

Unless, it was all a charade.
Even then they wouldn't be all that straight anymore.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2014, 11:18:03 PM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
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The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
....
Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
....
However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
Yes, two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

Unless, it was all a charade.
Even then they wouldn't be all that straight anymore.

Yes, they would be giving a bad example even if nothing amiss were to have happened.

Do you think they could have done this stunt merely to win the gift of attending that rugby game?
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2014, 11:59:59 PM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
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The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
....
Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
....
However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
Yes, two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

Unless, it was all a charade.
Even then they wouldn't be all that straight anymore.

Yes, they would be giving a bad example even if nothing amiss were to have happened.

Do you think they could have done this stunt merely to win the gift of attending that rugby game?
I believe it very likely that they did.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2014, 10:43:12 PM »
Art imitating life?

Two heterosexual guys get married (to each other) on a famous (or infamous) American TV show on CBS:

"The characters, Walden (Ashton Kutcher) and Alan (Jon Cryer), aren't gay, but a marriage between them is seen as a means to achieving Walden's goal of adopting a child, CBS program chief Nina Tassler said Thursday at the Television Critics Association summer press tour.
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Asked if some might find such a story line offensive, Tassler said it reflects progressive developments in the culture."
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2014, 12:45:03 AM »
If I don't get married I've thought of adopting as a single male, does that mean I'd have to do these sham marriages?
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2014, 12:57:00 AM »
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

It's pretty clear that their relationship is platonic.

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2014, 08:55:13 AM »
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

It's pretty clear that their relationship is platonic.

Trouble is in our cynical and quasi-analytical world 'Platonic' doesn't cut it. The reality is such an approach is in itself alien to an Orthodox mindset. Very 21st century, but not Orthodox.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2014, 09:22:53 AM »
If I don't get married I've thought of adopting as a single male, does that mean I'd have to do these sham marriages?
Why don't you become Orthodox first and find a good Orthodox woman? The odds are in your favor as there are far more Orthodox women looking for a husband than the other way around. At least in my experience. Every child needs a father AND a mother.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2014, 09:23:09 AM »
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

I don't see how changes in one's marital status affect their sexual orientation. I very much doubt that all the gay people who married (heterosexually) in times past, in order to silence the rumours of scandal were made any less gay by that.

People have always got married for all sorts of reasons. It was going to happen with the gay version as well.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2014, 09:26:46 AM »
If I don't get married I've thought of adopting as a single male, does that mean I'd have to do these sham marriages?
Why don't you become Orthodox first and find a good Orthodox woman? The odds are in your favor as there are far more Orthodox women looking for a husband than the other way around. At least in my experience. Every child needs a father AND a mother.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2014, 09:44:26 AM »
Although I can appreciate the irony specifically that the rainbow mafia is so upset about this, it is still a mockery of marriage and should not at all be done.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2014, 09:50:14 AM »
Although I can appreciate the irony specifically that the rainbow mafia is so upset about this, it is still a mockery of marriage and should not at all be done.

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Secular marriage is a mockery of marriage in the first place.  Anything that marriage can do in the secular sphere, binding (and enforced) contracts could do far better.  The only thing the contract cannot do it bind the man and woman into one flesh in the eyes of God, and I don't believe the secular marriage accomplishes this either.

If we are going to allow men to marry men and women to marry women and people to marry dogs or themselves or a second hand Ford, I actually think that two men getting married for reasons of economics is a step forward as it recognizes the true reason for secular marriage.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2014, 09:57:30 AM »
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If we are going to allow men to marry men and women to marry women and people to marry dogs or themselves or a second hand Ford, I actually think that two men getting married for reasons of economics is a step forward as it recognizes the true reason for secular marriage
I agree, but unfortunately, the secular realm makes no distinction between a secular marriage and a religious sacrament. So the powers that be can make blanket declarations that practitioners of both must abide by.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2014, 11:17:03 AM »
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

I don't see how changes in one's marital status affect their sexual orientation. I very much doubt that all the gay people who married (heterosexually) in times past, in order to silence the rumours of scandal were made any less gay by that.

People have always got married for all sorts of reasons. It was going to happen with the gay version as well.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2014, 11:26:39 AM »
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

I don't see how changes in one's marital status affect their sexual orientation. I very much doubt that all the gay people who married (heterosexually) in times past, in order to silence the rumours of scandal were made any less gay by that.

People have always got married for all sorts of reasons. It was going to happen with the gay version as well.
Must I explain my little joke for you all to get it? There's more than one meaning to the word "straight".

Including 'straight' as in not 'criminal'.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2014, 11:35:01 AM »
Must I explain my little joke for you all to get it?

You forgot the smilies. :P

My BFF and I have decided (less than half-jokingly) that, were I to find myself husbandless - she's single - we'd shack up together, sign a civil partnership so she can have legal guardianship of my son, and give up manhandling for a bad job. Either of us could do much worse with our lives.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2014, 10:12:35 AM »
Must I explain my little joke for you all to get it?

You forgot the smilies. :P
Why would I reveal the wordplay by using smileys? The best wordplay is that which is shared in a serious manner.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2014, 10:13:02 AM »
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

I don't see how changes in one's marital status affect their sexual orientation. I very much doubt that all the gay people who married (heterosexually) in times past, in order to silence the rumours of scandal were made any less gay by that.

People have always got married for all sorts of reasons. It was going to happen with the gay version as well.
Must I explain my little joke for you all to get it? There's more than one meaning to the word "straight".

Including 'straight' as in not 'criminal'.
More like 'not crooked'.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2014, 10:14:13 AM »
"The characters, Walden (Ashton Kutcher) and Alan (Jon Cryer), aren't gay, but a marriage between them is seen as a means to achieving Walden's goal of adopting a child, CBS program chief Nina Tassler said Thursday at the Television Critics Association summer press tour.
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Asked if some might find such a story line offensive, Tassler said it reflects progressive developments in the culture."

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2014, 11:24:01 AM »
"The characters, Walden (Ashton Kutcher) and Alan (Jon Cryer), aren't gay, but a marriage between them is seen as a means to achieving Walden's goal of adopting a child, CBS program chief Nina Tassler said Thursday at the Television Critics Association summer press tour.
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Asked if some might find such a story line offensive, Tassler said it reflects progressive developments in the culture."

Progressing towards the abyss.

Is there any other place to 'progress' to?
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2014, 12:53:37 PM »
"The characters, Walden (Ashton Kutcher) and Alan (Jon Cryer), aren't gay, but a marriage between them is seen as a means to achieving Walden's goal of adopting a child, CBS program chief Nina Tassler said Thursday at the Television Critics Association summer press tour.
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Asked if some might find such a story line offensive, Tassler said it reflects progressive developments in the culture."

Progressing towards the abyss.

Is there any other place to 'progress' to?

Off the cliff?
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2014, 01:21:55 PM »
You all sound like a bunch of old men crowded around a chess board complaining about kids these days.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2014, 01:30:14 PM »
"The characters, Walden (Ashton Kutcher) and Alan (Jon Cryer), aren't gay, but a marriage between them is seen as a means to achieving Walden's goal of adopting a child, CBS program chief Nina Tassler said Thursday at the Television Critics Association summer press tour.
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Asked if some might find such a story line offensive, Tassler said it reflects progressive developments in the culture."

Progressing towards the abyss.

Is there any other place to 'progress' to?

Off the cliff?

And into the abyss.
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2014, 01:47:21 PM »


Dunno... looks like fun. :D
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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2014, 02:25:42 PM »
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Travis McIntosh and Matt McCormick wrote their wedding vows yesterday, brimming with"nervous excitement" about their big day.
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The pair are heterosexual best mates [that is, they are heterosexual and they are friends].

Engineering student Mr McIntosh, 23, and teacher Mr McCormick, 24, will tie the knot to win a The Edge radio station competition and a trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England.
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Mr McIntosh said he thought the marriage would last at least two years.
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However, gay rights groups have condemned the union.
Who could be against heterosexuals getting married? ::)
Have you failed to notice that these two are both guys and that they want to marry each other?
Yes, two heterosexuals getting married. Why would anyone condemn that? ::)
In my estimation, two straight males getting married to each other kinda makes them not straight anymore.

Unless, it was all a charade.
Even then they wouldn't be all that straight anymore.

Yes, they would be giving a bad example even if nothing amiss were to have happened.

Do you think they could have done this stunt merely to win the gift of attending that rugby game?
I believe it very likely that they did.

And I suspect that if WFAN in New York were running a 'Big Game' promotion for free tickets (Can't say 'Super Bowl'  :D) two idiotic New Yorkers would do the same.

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Re: Mates' marriage horrifies gay rights groups
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2014, 03:17:19 PM »
So basically, they are mad because they are not committing sodomy.