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Nope, this is not one of those Texan tall tales.

See the CDC link if you are skeptical.

This true story took some awesome detection work to find the Texan culprit, the Lone Star tick.

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This bizarre problem was only discovered a few years ago but is growing as the ticks spread from the Southwest and the East to more parts of the United States. In some cases, eating a burger or a steak has landed people in the hospital with severe allergic reactions.

Few patients seem aware of the risk, and even doctors are slow to recognize it. As one allergist who has seen 200 cases on New York's Long Island said, "Why would someone think they're allergic to meat when they've been eating it their whole life?"

For more information and to read this article:
http://news.yahoo.com/bad-bite-tick-allergic-red-meat-170823632.html

From the CDD: http://www.cdc.gov/stari/disease/





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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2014, 12:36:26 AM »
Why should I pay attention to this? ..
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2014, 12:46:01 AM »
Why should I pay attention to this? ..

You are in Texas. If you get a tick bite, you probably should notify your doctor.

Not all ticks are vectors.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2014, 12:50:15 AM »
The CDC article has no reference to meat allergies.

The OP is a non-sequitur.

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2014, 12:51:58 AM »
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This condition has been named southern tick-associated rash illness (STARI). The rash may sometimes be accompanied by fatigue, headache, fever, and muscle pains. In the cases of STARI studied to date, the rash and accompanying symptoms have resolved following treatment with an oral antibiotic (doxycycline), but it is unknown whether this medication speeds recovery. STARI has not been linked to arthritis, neurologic disease, or chronic symptoms. Researchers once hypothesized that STARI was caused by the spirochete, Borrelia lonestari, however further research did not support this idea. The cause of STARI remains unknown.

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2014, 12:53:31 AM »
The CDC article has no reference to meat allergies.

The OP is a non-sequitur.

Your post, dear Sol, is a non-sequitur.

The Yahoo article is the main article, and the CDC article mentions certain symptoms, but has not been updated regarding the meat-allergy which was recently discovered.

Now, why would a tick bite cause a meat allergy?
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2014, 01:04:20 AM »
The CDC article has no reference to meat allergies.

The OP is a non-sequitur.

Your post, dear Sol, is a non-sequitur.

The Yahoo article is the main article, and the CDC article mentions certain symptoms, but has not been updated regarding the meat-allergy which was recently discovered.

Now, why would a tick bite cause a meat allergy?

Children and the elderly have compromised immune systems.  Why aren't there cases in Texas?

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2014, 01:08:00 AM »
Even if this is true, is it something worth fretting about?

Honestly, so many things like this are in God's hands. Does it serve any purpose to worry about them? Matthew 6 tells us not to worry about how God will feed and clothe and provide for us.

Spending time pondering every possible calamity that-might- befall us, based on continual readings of news such as this, focuses our attention on how -we- might suffer. Rather than on God.

If He gives me a tick bite that makes me allergic to meat, then I will no longer need to eat meat.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2014, 01:09:25 AM »
Why should I pay attention to this? ..

Nothing to fret about anything here ... just move along.



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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2014, 01:17:18 AM »
The CDC article has no reference to meat allergies.

The OP is a non-sequitur.

Your post, dear Sol, is a non-sequitur.

The Yahoo article is the main article, and the CDC article mentions certain symptoms, but has not been updated regarding the meat-allergy which was recently discovered.

Now, why would a tick bite cause a meat allergy?

Children and the elderly have compromised immune systems.  Why aren't there cases in Texas?

Perhaps meat-allergies have not been associated in Texas with that tick.
It takes time for medical news to filter down to doctors in busy practices.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2014, 01:22:33 AM »
The CDC article has no reference to meat allergies.

The OP is a non-sequitur.

Your post, dear Sol, is a non-sequitur.

The Yahoo article is the main article, and the CDC article mentions certain symptoms, but has not been updated regarding the meat-allergy which was recently discovered.

Now, why would a tick bite cause a meat allergy?

Children and the elderly have compromised immune systems.  Why aren't there cases in Texas?

Perhaps meat-allergies have not been associated in Texas with that tick.
It takes time for medical news to filter down to doctors in busy practices.

People in Texas are exposed to all kinds of pollutants and contamination.  They have immunity.  People in Long Island, don't have the same immunity.

Find an article from Texas about meat based allergies caused by ticks and I may be inclined to believe you.

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2014, 01:24:11 AM »
The CDC article has no reference to meat allergies.

The OP is a non-sequitur.

Your post, dear Sol, is a non-sequitur.

The Yahoo article is the main article, and the CDC article mentions certain symptoms, but has not been updated regarding the meat-allergy which was recently discovered.

Now, why would a tick bite cause a meat allergy?

Children and the elderly have compromised immune systems.  Why aren't there cases in Texas?

Perhaps meat-allergies have not been associated in Texas with that tick.
It takes time for medical news to filter down to doctors in busy practices.

People in Texas are exposed to all kinds of pollutants and contamination.  They have immunity.  People in Long Island, don't have the same immunity.

Find an article from Texas about meat based allergies caused by ticks and I may be inclined to believe you.

After that article goes through peer review, it could take another three years to be published.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2014, 01:26:45 AM »
Sol, I posted this article only for information.

Nothing more.

I am just puzzled why this tick is causing such a strong reaction to red meat, and not fowl or pigs.

It doesn't make sense unless that tick has some kind of antigen from the cattle blood that it transmits into humans.

EDITED TO ADD from the link to the Yahoo in the OP:

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a tick bite triggers an immune system response, and in that high-alert state, the body perceives the sugar the tick transmitted to the victim's bloodstream and skin as a foreign substance, and makes antibodies to it. That sets the stage for an allergic reaction the next time the person eats red meat and encounters the sugar.

So the antigen is the sugar called alpha-gal.

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Even poultry products such as turkey sausage sometimes contain meat byproducts and can trigger the allergy

Since poultry and pork also contain alpha-gal, people can have an allergic reaction to other meats.

Then why do allergists inject allergens into people's arms? Aren't they also causing allergies that way?

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2014, 02:06:44 AM »
Seeing that this thread is posted on Other Topics, a section of the forum devoted to being a "Home for information, randomness, diversions, silly threads, and other unclassified topics. Not for serious debate", does that mean we have the freedom to laugh at the OP without taking it seriously? :laugh:
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2014, 02:10:37 AM »
Seeing that this thread is posted on Other Topics, a section of the forum devoted to being a "Home for information, randomness, diversions, silly threads, and other unclassified topics. Not for serious debate", does that mean we have the freedom to laugh at the OP without taking it seriously? :laugh:

If you wish. That is why I stated that this must be a Texas tall tale. It is hard to believe.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2014, 03:57:24 AM »
Seeing that this thread is posted on Other Topics, a section of the forum devoted to being a "Home for information, randomness, diversions, silly threads, and other unclassified topics. Not for serious debate", does that mean we have the freedom to laugh at the OP without taking it seriously? :laugh:

Yes, we can always enjoy a good joke in moderation. However, would you like to see all threads in Other Topics turned into dissipatory ruminations that have nothing at all to do with the OP because some people want to have the freedom to laugh?

If you were to start a topic here in Other Topics, would you mind if people poked fun at you and derailed a perfectly good topic?

If we keep this thread centered on allergies and its causes, perhaps we can discuss leaky gut syndrome that might be the cause of allergies.

I can just see the comments: "Quick, grab the loo bucket as someone's gut is leaking."

If leaky gut syndrome proves to be the cause of allergies, then does aspirin contribute to increased allergies since it causes abdominal bleeding (leaky gut) including ulcers? Is this why daily aspirin is no longer recommended as it once was?

I have grandchildren, babies, who are seriously affected by allergies, so yes, I would like to understand what is going on.

And why is it that in general, children who live in immaculately clean homes have more allergies than those who live on farms, feed slop to the pigs, and play in the mud?
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2014, 05:50:24 AM »
Now I can see why you want to discuss this here on OC.net, where all the world's preeminent allergists and immunologists hang out and discuss science.

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2014, 07:57:58 AM »
Don't think such issues are for clinicians only, preventing were possible such hazards and knowing whether or not to consult a clinician after being in contact with such parasites is everyone's business in at risk areas. Parents particularly should be aware and therefore able to protect their children. You can't do this if such information is not shared as widely as possible, surely?


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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2014, 08:11:30 AM »
Don't think such issues are for clinicians only, preventing were possible such hazards and knowing whether or not to consult a clinician after being in contact with such parasites is everyone's business in at risk areas. Parents particularly should be aware and therefore able to protect their children. You can't do this if such information is not shared as widely as possible, surely?



Since this is not a published study.

Panic and speculation just make everyone lock themselves in their houses lest they too have this horrible thing happen to them. 

A thing which may or may not even be true.

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2014, 08:15:03 AM »
Don't think such issues are for clinicians only, preventing were possible such hazards and knowing whether or not to consult a clinician after being in contact with such parasites is everyone's business in at risk areas. Parents particularly should be aware and therefore able to protect their children. You can't do this if such information is not shared as widely as possible, surely?



Like reading the Bible without proper guidance, reading medical or scientific papers without the necessary education in the field is doing no-one any favors. Tabloid media are full of breathless announcements on the scientific and medical front, but a great many of such media reports do not accurately reflect what this or that paper is really trying to say.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2014, 08:29:54 AM »
While I happily agree that misleading and hyped up health scares are an all too frequent occurrence, the Center for Disease Control's advice to the ordinary Joe is quite clear. Anyone who has a tick bite should monitor their health subsequently. And there are steps that may be taken to reduce the risk of tick bites, which are many miles from ludicrous notions of shutting yourself up at home.

Indeed, if you have pets, that won't necessarily help you as the CDC makes clear. Probably best to take Rover and Tiddles out into the yard now and shot them before burning their carcasses.

The CDC are the experts and have presented some sound advice, so I don't see the problem - but perhaps in my dotage I'm missing something?  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2014, 08:33:39 AM »
The CDC are the experts and have presented some sound advice, so I don't see the problem - but perhaps in my dotage I'm missing something?  ;)

There is no mention whatsoever in the CDC article of any connection between tick bites and onset of allergy to red meat.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2014, 08:39:55 AM »
I didn't 't write that there was. ABC News on the other has. So why am I getting your ire?

If you have an issue with the thread's main thrust, might I suggest you take it up with the Originator of the thread. 'Cos I ain't here to be your whipping boy.  ???

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2014, 08:49:10 AM »
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I didn't 't write that there was. ABC News on the other has.

Which confirms my earlier statement of: Tabloid media are full of breathless announcements on the scientific and medical front, but a great many of such media reports do not accurately reflect what this or that paper is really trying to say.

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So why am I getting your ire?

Ire? Oh, my. I posted without rancor in response to your question. This is a discussion forum, after all.

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If you have an issue with the thread's main thrust, might I suggest you take it up with the Originator of the thread.

Others have, to little avail. You could try, though.

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'Cos I ain't here to be your whipping boy.   ???

No need to be melodramatic.


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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2014, 09:39:52 AM »
I've just come back from walking the pup and feeling more relaxed.

No, I ain't trying and have to own a certain reserve about the readiness some folk have to cite food allergies almost at the drop of a hat. Ticks however are a documented problem both for humans and animals, here Lyme Disease is endemic and spreading. And my children live in an area already affected, so it is something I have had to think on and take care when taking pup down to visit them.

As to the Lone Star Tick, not a problem here, of course, but all ticks are a pain at best and some just seem to impart a lasting legacy.


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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2014, 09:45:43 AM »
I've just come back from walking the pup and feeling more relaxed.

No, I ain't trying and have to own a certain reserve about the readiness some folk have to cite food allergies almost at the drop of a hat. Ticks however are a documented problem both for humans and animals, here Lyme Disease is endemic and spreading. And my children live in an area already affected, so it is something I have had to think on and take care when taking pup down to visit them.

As to the Lone Star Tick, not a problem here, of course, but all ticks are a pain at best and some just seem to impart a lasting legacy.



All very well, but what relevance does this have to the allegation, and the premise of the OP, that tick bites could lead to red meat allergy?
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2014, 09:50:45 AM »
I've just come back from walking the pup and feeling more relaxed.

No, I ain't trying and have to own a certain reserve about the readiness some folk have to cite food allergies almost at the drop of a hat. Ticks however are a documented problem both for humans and animals, here Lyme Disease is endemic and spreading. And my children live in an area already affected, so it is something I have had to think on and take care when taking pup down to visit them.

As to the Lone Star Tick, not a problem here, of course, but all ticks are a pain at best and some just seem to impart a lasting legacy.



All very well, but what relevance does this have to the allegation, and the premise of the OP, that tick bites could lead to red meat allergy?

If you have a quarrel with the OP's premise take it there. You and I quite clearly are unable to have a discussion, and I am not going to continue trying to play nice with someone whose nitpicking at every turn. Good day to you.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2014, 01:28:58 PM »
So the antigen is the sugar called alpha-gal.

I think it might be fun to have an alpha-gal as a sweetheart. 

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2014, 01:41:34 PM »
I prefer a discussion format where two people who "agree to disagree" can give their perspectives respectfully, are not trying to 'win' any points, put the other person down, or lord it over someone, and have no problem saying to other person "good point" or "I don't know". It is not a battle of egos, just an honest search for Truth.

Isn't this the purpose of this "Other Topics" forum?

The quotes in the OP were from the Yahoo news article, not the CDC.
The CDC was only mentioned to validate the point made in the Yahoo article, that this Lone Star tick does cause medical issues, OF WHICH WE SHOULD ALL BE AWARE.

To be aware empowers us to act responsibly if someone we know and love gets bitten by a tick and starts to display symptoms that are problematic.

There is no need for panic, no need to shoot the dog or the messenger.


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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2014, 01:42:11 PM »
So the antigen is the sugar called alpha-gal.

I think it might be fun to have an alpha-gal as a sweetheart. 

Yes, alpha-gal sounds like a nice name for a little female pup.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2014, 02:44:29 PM »
So the antigen is the sugar called alpha-gal.

I think it might be fun to have an alpha-gal as a sweetheart. 

Yes, alpha-gal sounds like a nice name for a little female pup.

I wasn't talking about dogs.  :)

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2014, 02:48:36 PM »
Seeing that this thread is posted on Other Topics, a section of the forum devoted to being a "Home for information, randomness, diversions, silly threads, and other unclassified topics. Not for serious debate", does that mean we have the freedom to laugh at the OP without taking it seriously? :laugh:

Yes, we can always enjoy a good joke in moderation. However, would you like to see all threads in Other Topics turned into dissipatory ruminations that have nothing at all to do with the OP because some people want to have the freedom to laugh?

If you were to start a topic here in Other Topics, would you mind if people poked fun at you and derailed a perfectly good topic?
I wouldn't mind at all, for that's what the Other Topics board is for. If I want to open something up to debate, I'll post it somewhere else than on Other Topics, for Other Topics is not the place for debate. That's in the Rules.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2014, 02:59:46 PM »
So the antigen is the sugar called alpha-gal.

I think it might be fun to have an alpha-gal as a sweetheart. 

I think an alpha-gal would probably be even more insufferable than alpha-males...  8)

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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2014, 03:01:59 PM »
So the antigen is the sugar called alpha-gal.

I think it might be fun to have an alpha-gal as a sweetheart. 

I think an alpha-gal would probably be even more insufferable than alpha-males...  8)

Here tick, tick, tick.
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Re: Meat allergies can be triggered by a tick bite? Must be a Texan tall tale.
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2014, 04:00:04 PM »
So the antigen is the sugar called alpha-gal.

I think it might be fun to have an alpha-gal as a sweetheart. 

I think an alpha-gal would probably be even more insufferable than alpha-males...  8)

Here tick, tick, tick.

I like their bites.