Are you sure about that?
Am I sure about what? I wasn’t expressing my own opinion, my post simply contained quotations presenting the view of the Coptic church as represented by His Holiness Pope Shenouda III and His Grace Bishop Youssef; that we do NOT inherit the original sin of Adam or the guilt of the original sin, but rather the natural consequences of that sin, it’s stain, it’s aftermath - a fallen human nature inclined to rebellion and sin, and hence death itself.
Somebody from another web-site once quoted a statement by Metropolitan Beshoy to the effect that we do indeed need to be baptized to wash away the sin of Adam......
I don’t think so; I’ve never heard of this. Even if it were true, then he is simply wrong --that is IF he has applied it in a context indicating that baptism washes away some sort of inherited sin (Footnote 1
). I think H. H. Pope Shenouda is more of an authority than H.G. Metropolitan Bishoy, though the latter should never be in conflict with the former. Footnote 1
: Assuming it were true that H.G. said something along the lines of what you said; We have to understand that both the writings of H.H and H.G are originally written in Arabic and then translated by someone else on their behalf; and this can certainly pose some problems with regards to misleading statements if they are not properly or carefully translated or qualified according to the writers subjectively intended meaning. Usually what I have found, is that the term “Original sin” is found in a few translated OO writings in an affirmative sense (i.e. that the OO do adhere to it), however the term itself is used to denote in effect the actual consequences
of the actual original sin of Adam and Eve, rather than the actual original sin itself. Evidence for this can be found in one of H.H. translated books - Comparative Theology Vol. 1
On page 83 of the translated version; he poses for himself a typical protestant objection against Baptism:
Question 10: How can it be that a person gets baptized to wash away THE ORIGINAL SIN of Adam so long as he is born of parents who had been baptiszed and washed away of that sin?
He answers it accordingly:
THE CONDEMNATION OF DEATH IS NOT INHERITRED from the immediate parents so that we can be free from it by their being baptized. We inherited the condemnation of death directly from Adam and Eve; the first human beings, because we were in Adam’s loins when his nature became corrupt and was condemned to death. Therefore all Adam’s offspring that were in his loins became UNDER THE CONDEMNATION OF DEATH. We also as well as all Adam’s offspring became subject to this death. According to Romans 5:12 and 1 Cor. 15:22]..death was a judgement rendered on all mankind, being the offspring of Adam. Salvation from death is personal for every individual separately whether his parents had obtained salvation or not. This salvation requires repentance and believing in Christ’s blood, in baptism and in all other means of grace. NOTE:
[Psalm 51:5 - “Behold I was brought forth in iniquity and in sin my mother conceived me”. We are born in corruption until we are delievered from the bondage of corruption (Rom 8:21). But when should we be delievered from this corruotion? The Apostle says concerning our bodies: “The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruptionGÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âªfor this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this moral must put on immortality” (1 Cor. 15:42). When will this happen? When the trumpet sounds and the dead be raised.
The question H.Hposes for himself defines baptism as the washing away of the original sin
of Adam. H.H. however answers it in a manner which interchanges the expression “original sin” (and hence defines it) with the condemnation of death
which he understands as the consequence of our corrupt nature, which is in itself a consequence of the actual original sin. The concluding paragraph of H.H. further emphasizes this, for though the question asks how a child can inherit original sin from their parents who should have been cleansed from this original sin at baptism; H.H. answers by saying that the bible teaches that we are all born in corruption and continue to live in corruption until we are delivered from it completely, implicitly proving his understanding of the expression original sin (as it is translated) as one that denotes the corrupt nature of humanity and its consequent condemnation to death, rather than the ACTUAL