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Met your patriarchs?
« on: July 29, 2014, 11:02:05 AM »
Who here has met their patriarch? Or any of the patriarchs.  I met  HH Pope Shenouda III when I was very young so I don't remember him well. Other than that I've had my share of bishops and priests. No patriarchs though.  I will have the chance to have dinner God willing when I go to Egypt. ...but I'm not sure when that'll be. So how was your patriarch? Nice guy? Holy guy? Did you meet in a public setting or privately in some sort of appointment? Let me know.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2014, 11:18:59 AM »
Highest up I've gotten was a dinner with Metropolitan Philip a few months before his passing.  He seemed to be a very kind man who was very considerate given his frailty due to his age. It was at a parish dinner, so it wasn't like I was able to hang with him one on one.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2014, 11:28:44 AM »
The Patriarch of Serbia (Irinej, I believe) visited our local Serbian church once. He's not my patriarch, but I saw him!  :P
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 11:45:48 AM »
I've met a few.  They are who they are.  :P
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2014, 11:53:42 AM »
The Patriarch of Serbia (Irinej, I believe) visited our local Serbian church once. He's not my patriarch, but I saw him!  :P

Very cool!

I've met a few.  They are who they are.  :P

Would you like to share with the class? A name or 2?
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 12:12:16 PM »
Not actually met in person but I've attended some services celebrated by him. Same goes for the patriarchs of Jerusalem and Alexandria.
I just need to find out how to say it in Slavonic!

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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 12:17:10 PM »
I've met a few.  They are who they are.  :P

Would you like to share with the class? A name or 2?

Hmm.  

Their Holinesses:

1.  Patriarch Aphrem II of Antioch
2.  Catholicos Karekin II of Etchmiadzin
3.  Catholicos Mathews II of the East (maybe his predecessor when I was a kid, but I doubt it)
4.  Catholicos Didymus I of the East
5.  Catholicos Paulos II of the East

Other than the last three primates of the OCA, I don't think I've met any EO primates.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 12:19:30 PM »
I've met a few.  They are who they are.  :P

Would you like to share with the class? A name or 2?

Hmm.  

Their Holinesses:

1.  Patriarch Aphrem II of Antioch
2.  Catholicos Karekin II of Etchmiadzin
3.  Catholicos Mathews II of the East (maybe his predecessor when I was a kid, but I doubt it)
4.  Catholicos Didymus I of the East
5.  Catholicos Paulos II of the East

Other than the last three primates of the OCA, I don't think I've met any EO primates.

A few good men! Did you meet HH Aphrem II before or/and after his installment as patriarch?
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 12:22:49 PM »
In 1957, participated in a brief audience with Patriarch Kyrill of Sofia.
I do not remember much of the meeting. I do know, however, that +Kyrill was instrumental in preventing the extermination of the Bulgarian Jews during WWII. Interestingly, we did not consider him the head of our community in Istanbul, as we suspected that the Bulgarian Church had been compromised by the Communists.

Our de facto Patriarch was the Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople, with whom we had good relations. However, the Patriarchal administration always made trouble for us, trying to force us to use documents and services in Greek.

I interacted twice with Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople; once, to recite a poem and second to be tonsured a reader. He impressed me as a holy man.

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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2014, 12:25:20 PM »
In 1957, participated in a brief audience with Patriarch Kyrill of Sofia.
I do not remember much of the meeting. I do know, however, that +Kyrill was instrumental in preventing the extermination of the Bulgarian Jews during WWII. Interestingly, we did not consider him the head of our community in Istanbul, as we suspected that the Bulgarian Church had been compromised by the Communists.

Our de facto Patriarch was the Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople, with whom we had good relations. However, the Patriarchal administration always made trouble for us, trying to force us to use documents and services in Greek.

I interacted twice with Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople; once, to recite a poem and second to be tonsured a reader. He impressed me as a holy man.
You sound like you've had some neat experiences in life, Mr. Kraeff.  :)
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2014, 12:46:02 PM »
A few good men! Did you meet HH Aphrem II before or/and after his installment as patriarch?

Before.  I went to the Archdiocese to buy about $200 worth in Syriac books, and when the sweet old lady in the office kept going back to ask him questions about what I was interested in, he finally came out to see who the weirdo was.  :)

He invited me into his office, made us some Arabic coffee, and we chatted it up for maybe half an hour or so.  Very nice man.  I saw him a few times after that, but that was all six or seven years ago. 
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2014, 12:48:26 PM »
I met Metropolitan Antony of the UOC-USA, does that count? He prayed over me during the litany of the catechumens, which was pretty awesome.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 12:50:33 PM »
1. Serbian patriarch Irinej that I consider MY patriarch although technically I belong to Polish Orthodox Church
2. Ecumenical patriarch Bartholomew
3. Russian patriarch Cyrill
4. Jerusalem patriarch Theopilos III
5. Metropolitan of Poland Sava
6. Archibishop of Cyprus Chrysostom II
7. Metropolitan of Moldova Vladimir

ad) 1. It was opening of the exhibition Colours of Orthodoxy. Poland in Belgrade and I was a member of the Polish Orthodox delegation. I got his blessing and even talked a bit with him (I started ;)). Of course he is so poor as he had great predecessor (patriarch Pavle), but he's humble and a quiet easy-contact person. And very Serbian in theological aspect (at leas when I compare him to Polish metropolitan Sava, that acts pro-Russian in many ways  ::))
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2014, 12:54:22 PM »
What was Patriarch Cyril like?
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2014, 12:54:30 PM »
I thought we were only dealing with Patriarchs/Primates.  If we are going to list the bishops we've met, I'm going to be speaking in terms of synods and not merely individuals.  
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2014, 12:55:33 PM »
In 1957, participated in a brief audience with Patriarch Kyrill of Sofia.
I do not remember much of the meeting. I do know, however, that +Kyrill was instrumental in preventing the extermination of the Bulgarian Jews during WWII. Interestingly, we did not consider him the head of our community in Istanbul, as we suspected that the Bulgarian Church had been compromised by the Communists.

Our de facto Patriarch was the Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople, with whom we had good relations. However, the Patriarchal administration always made trouble for us, trying to force us to use documents and services in Greek.

I interacted twice with Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople; once, to recite a poem and second to be tonsured a reader. He impressed me as a holy man.
You sound like you've had some neat experiences in life, Mr. Kraeff.  :)

Thanks. Some not so neat as well. Reminds me of Romans 8:28: "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose." I am still trying to figure why he has kept me around; sinner that I  am. But, in all things Glory be to God!

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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2014, 12:57:26 PM »
What was Patriarch Cyril like?

The current Russian Patriarch Kirill or Patriarch Kyrill of Sofia of blessed memory?

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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2014, 12:58:16 PM »
I thought we were only dealing with Patriarchs/Primates.  If we are going to list the bishops we've met, I'm going to be speaking in terms of synods and not merely individuals.  
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2014, 12:59:07 PM »
I thought we were only dealing with Patriarchs/Primates.  If we are going to list the bishops we've met, I'm going to be speaking in terms of synods and not merely individuals.  

Don't rain on my parade, I haven't met many people. You've met everyone!
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2014, 12:59:41 PM »
What was Patriarch Cyril like?

The current Russian Patriarch Kirill or Patriarch Kyrill of Sofia of blessed memory?

Sorry, I should've quoted Dominika. I meant the Russian patriarch.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2014, 01:44:19 PM »
I've met a few.  They are who they are.  :P

Yep, they put their pants on like everyone else...one leg at a time.

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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2014, 01:49:03 PM »
I've met a few.  They are who they are.  :P

Yep, they put their pants on like everyone else...one leg at a time.

They put their mitres on like everyone else... oh wait  ;)

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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2014, 03:58:36 PM »
What was Patriarch Cyril like?
Very nice, really. He was blessing everyone that was near, smiling (and it seemed to be natural, not political), had a good sermon at the feast of Transfiguration.
The things I didn't like:
a) in his speech he was constantly emphasising that Polish and Russian Church have the same root, while our metropolitan was talking that we're diffrent (what was q bit unusual for him, although metropolitan Sava graduated Belgrade seminary)
b) security service checking the churches before he was entering them and checking the laymen entering the churches. But it was just after the P**** Riot scandal


I'd taken this picture just before he sprinkled the water so lavishly, he was standing right before me.

 
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2014, 04:54:20 PM »
Wow! I love those vestments and the crozier.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2014, 05:42:58 PM »
All I've ever met was a bishop (OCA), much less a primate of any kind or place. I apparently live under a rock.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2014, 05:48:40 PM »
All I've ever met was a bishop (OCA), much less a primate of any kind or place. I apparently live under a rock.

Count your lucky stars. 
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2014, 05:49:29 PM »
I'm OCA

I think that explains it.

Most I've met is my Bishop
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2018, 10:28:48 AM »
1. Serbian patriarch Irinej that I consider MY patriarch although technically I belong to Polish Orthodox Church
2. Ecumenical patriarch Bartholomew
3. Russian patriarch Cyrill
4. Jerusalem patriarch Theopilos III
5. Metropolitan of Poland Sava
6. Archibishop of Cyprus Chrysostom II
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10. Head of the Antiochian Church in North America, metropolitan Joseph.

Greek Patriarch of Alexandria, Teophilos II, will be visiting Polnad in September, but there is a high probability that I'll be away.
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2018, 10:40:36 AM »
I was at Saint George Cathedral in Istanbul for the 2010 Dormition feast but the patriarch was away for a special event in Trebizond. Some metropolitan was there in his place. That's the closest I came to meeting a patriarch.

I've met Mets. Jonah and Tikhon of the OCA (though the latter only when he was the bishop of Eastern PA.)
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2018, 10:46:44 AM »
TBH I like my hierarchs a good distance away.
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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2018, 01:46:04 PM »
TBH I like my hierarchs a good distance away.

This is the Orthodox faith.
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2018, 01:50:56 PM »
I feel somewhat differently- that is, I'd like there to be more bishops with fewer congregations, so that the bishops are more involved in the day-to-day care of the flock and are less like administrators who visit parishes once every two years or so. But this would also make the bishops considerably less powerful, individually, than they are now.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2018, 02:15:01 PM »
TBH I like my hierarchs a good distance away.

This is the Orthodox faith.

So all the people visitng the Holy Mount Grabarka on the Transfiguration day are not Orthodox :D They're taking pictures fervently of the bishops (and clergy as a whole), fighting to get personal blessing and get icons from them, especially from the "star of the year" (actually every year there is an Orthodox primate or an important metropolitan, e.g of Belgium, plus sometimes some Holy Relics); sometimes I think that people than exchange these icons like children exchange cards from various collections (like of the Panini); my mother was disappointed when this year after a chase she got an icon of st. Barbara from a 'usual' Polish Orthodox bishop instead of getting an icon from metropolitan of the all Poland Sava. They're a kind of celebrities there.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2018, 02:24:04 PM »
TBH I like my hierarchs a good distance away.

This is the Orthodox faith.

So all the people visitng the Holy Mount Grabarka on the Transfiguration day are not Orthodox :D They're taking pictures fervently of the bishops (and clergy as a whole), fighting to get personal blessing and get icons from them, especially from the "star of the year" (actually every year there is an Orthodox primate or an important metropolitan, e.g of Belgium, plus sometimes some Holy Relics); sometimes I think that people than exchange these icons like children exchange cards from various collections (like of the Panini); my mother was disappointed when this year after a chase she got an icon of st. Barbara from a 'usual' Polish Orthodox bishop instead of getting an icon from metropolitan of the all Poland Sava. They're a kind of celebrities there.

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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2018, 02:36:11 PM »
I never met Metropolitan Savas of Warsaw, which is my primate, but I've "met" Patriarch Cyril of Moscow, participating in both in a moleben in Rio and Divine Liturgy in São Paulo, with a handful of ROC hierarchs and, in the latter, both Antiochian bishops then having jurisdiction over Brazil (as from recently there are three, I've been trying to meet the new one).

Among other bishops, I'm friends with Archbishop Chrysostom of Brazil (I congregate in his cathedral) and Metropolitan Ignatius of Buenos Aires (IIRC he posted some pictures of mine on his own profile in my birthday lol). I've chatted with Bishop Ambrose of Recife once or twice and took a blessing from Bishop Nicholas of Manhattan once. That's my whole "bishop experience".  :P


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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2018, 03:54:51 PM »
TBH I like my hierarchs a good distance away.

This is the Orthodox faith.

So all the people visitng the Holy Mount Grabarka on the Transfiguration day are not Orthodox :D They're taking pictures fervently of the bishops (and clergy as a whole), fighting to get personal blessing and get icons from them, especially from the "star of the year" (actually every year there is an Orthodox primate or an important metropolitan, e.g of Belgium, plus sometimes some Holy Relics); sometimes I think that people than exchange these icons like children exchange cards from various collections (like of the Panini); my mother was disappointed when this year after a chase she got an icon of st. Barbara from a 'usual' Polish Orthodox bishop instead of getting an icon from metropolitan of the all Poland Sava. They're a kind of celebrities there.

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Don't worry. I'm sure celebrity culture is coming to American Orthodoxy soon like it has for Protestant and Catholics lol!
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2018, 05:19:45 PM »
Don't worry. I'm sure celebrity culture is coming to American Orthodoxy soon like it has for Protestant and Catholics lol!

It's there in microcosmic form, sort of the I-am-of-Paul-I-am-of-Peter variety. I won't name names because people get all nervous. But they're for the most part not hierarchs (and for the most part, I praise God for that grace). For now we don't really have any analogues to Bishop Barron* that I can think of.




*Although in the RCC he doesn't really have any real authority either
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2018, 06:15:52 PM »
Don't worry. I'm sure celebrity culture is coming to American Orthodoxy soon like it has for Protestant and Catholics lol!
It's there in microcosmic form, sort of the I-am-of-Paul-I-am-of-Peter variety. I won't name names because people get all nervous. But they're for the most part not hierarchs (and for the most part, I praise God for that grace). For now we don't really have any analogues to Bishop Barron* that I can think of.
And when they're hierarchs, their flock is just a small monastery in Dewdney, BC, Canada.  :angel:
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2018, 07:57:54 PM »
I am pretty sure I'll never meet Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, and thankfully Archbishop Demetrios hasn't been down this way, but Metropolitan Alexios served me cake once and I'm not sure I was barely even able to say "Thank you, your Eminence" because somehow I feel unworthy to be in his presence :(
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2018, 11:29:32 AM »
I feel somewhat differently- that is, I'd like there to be more bishops with fewer congregations, so that the bishops are more involved in the day-to-day care of the flock and are less like administrators who visit parishes once every two years or so. But this would also make the bishops considerably less powerful, individually, than they are now.

I agree entirely.  The total size of a diocese in the US in terms of headcount is probably comparable to the dioceses of the RCC and ECUSA, but the distance between parishes is so vast it diminishes the ability of the bishops to spend time at local parishes.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2018, 11:36:17 AM »
TBH I like my hierarchs a good distance away.

This is the Orthodox faith.

I’ve noticed you have a very cynical attitude about bishops, and I am sure this is justified.  Out of curiosity, however, would you be able to name some bishops, any bishops, who you particularly like?

I find myself liking Mor Ignatius Aphrem II, the South American former RCC bishop in the Syriac church, Metropolitan Serapion of Los Angeles, and Bishop Abanoub of Muqattam, as well as the late Thrice Blessed Bishop Karas, on the OO side, and on the EO side, His Beatitude John X Yazigi, whose brother and the Syriac Metropolitan of Aleppo were probably both martyred.  I also like Metropolitan Kallistos Ware, although he is not a diocesan bishop, but essentially a glorified auxilliary bishop, and I hear good things about Metropolitan Hilarion Kapral and Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2018, 11:55:18 AM »
We have been with Catholicos Karekin II of Etchmiadzin ~ in the US and in Armenia ~(not in close personal conversation ) he blessed wife's tummy when she was carrying youngest daughter ~ she was named Yerani Kerekin Ellena ```


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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2018, 12:01:42 PM »
I've met a few visiting bishops, and I've seen Metropolitan Alexios.
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2018, 12:07:18 PM »
I've met a few visiting bishops, and I've seen Metropolitan Alexios.
If it was at a service you probably heard him too -- he always chants as loudly as humanly possible!  ;D
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Re: Met your patriarchs?
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2018, 12:40:19 PM »
Don't remember, but I guess.
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