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Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« on: July 01, 2014, 12:59:19 PM »
Am I the only parent getting annoyed at youth sports organizations having competitions on Sunday mornings?

I know some will say "you don't have to attend", which is true. But if you do attend the event instead of DL, what do you tell your child?  If you have been steadfast how has your child's coach responded?

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2014, 01:49:22 PM »

Yes....I see this happening more and more.

...and it's not just athletics.

My little niece had her dance recital on Pentecost Sunday at 12:30.  There's absolutely no way she could make it to church, on a major Feast Day, and get back to the venue, dressed, warmed up and ready to go.  I was very upset. 

She's only 11, and they take classes for 6 months, which culminates in this one event.  For her to skip her recital would be to negate 6 months effort....and break her heart. 

I told her I was going to church first, and would try to make her recital.  Thankfully, her group was one of the last ones to perform.  As it was, I had to stand in the doors until "between" numbers and then try to find the family who were holding a seat for me.

The nephews often had baseball practice on Sundays....they would skip those.

However, I hear other kids having competitions, driving lessons, etc. ...all on Sunday mornings.

Sundays are not longer "special" to the secular world.  Shops aren't closed.  People aren't dressed in their finest.  Families don't gather and spend time together.  It's a sad sign of the times.
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2014, 09:54:40 PM »
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2014, 10:29:02 PM »
Am I the only parent getting annoyed at youth sports organizations having competitions on Sunday mornings?

I know some will say "you don't have to attend", which is true. But if you do attend the event instead of DL, what do you tell your child?  If you have been steadfast how has your child's coach responded?

No, you are not. I was just thinking about this a few days ago.  It seems the underlying ASSumption is that no one goes to Church.
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2014, 10:59:30 PM »
Am I the only parent getting annoyed at youth sports organizations having competitions on Sunday mornings?

I know some will say "you don't have to attend", which is true. But if you do attend the event instead of DL, what do you tell your child?  If you have been steadfast how has your child's coach responded?

No, you are not. I was just thinking about this a few days ago.  It seems the underlying ASSumption is that no one goes to Church.
My family must be downright fanatical, because we typically go Wednesday, Saturday night and Sunday and mornings when there is liturgy for a feast or Saint. :D

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2014, 11:02:21 PM »
When I ran the acolytes at our parish I had several people who could never be counted on to be there because of sports.

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2014, 12:04:25 AM »
We had soccer moms in my previous parishes. Their children would come dressed in their sports clothes because they had a game immediately afterwards. Often they would leave before the Divine Liturgy was over. When the children grew up, they were no longer practicing Orthodox Christians, and the parents had vanished too. Sports were more important to them than the faith.
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2014, 12:48:49 AM »
I would argue that churches who sponsor ethnic dance troupes is having the same effect with retaining the youth as participating in sports.

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2014, 01:33:03 AM »
Am I the only parent getting annoyed at youth sports organizations having competitions on Sunday mornings?

I know some will say "you don't have to attend", which is true. But if you do attend the event instead of DL, what do you tell your child?  If you have been steadfast how has your child's coach responded?

No, you are not. I was just thinking about this a few days ago.  It seems the underlying ASSumption is that no one goes to Church.
My family must be downright fanatical, because we typically go Wednesday, Saturday night and Sunday and mornings when there is liturgy for a feast or Saint. :D

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2014, 02:07:10 AM »
We had soccer moms in my previous parishes. Their children would come dressed in their sports clothes because they had a game immediately afterwards. Often they would leave before the Divine Liturgy was over. When the children grew up, they were no longer practicing Orthodox Christians, and the parents had vanished too. Sports were more important to them than the faith.

Fortunately for me I was always a studious little nerd who never played sports or engaged in any physical activity apart from jogging  ;D
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2014, 02:09:02 AM »
Sundays are not longer "special" to the secular world.  Shops aren't closed.  People aren't dressed in their finest.  Families don't gather and spend time together.  It's a sad sign of the times.

Unfortunately I've never experienced that in my life so I have trouble relating to you. I'm the only Orthodox in my family and prior to getting my license I had to beg them for rides to Church on Sunday only to come home afterward feeling somewhat sad that to my family it was just another day.
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2014, 02:12:02 AM »
Am I the only parent getting annoyed at youth sports organizations having competitions on Sunday mornings?

I know some will say "you don't have to attend", which is true. But if you do attend the event instead of DL, what do you tell your child?  If you have been steadfast how has your child's coach responded?

No, you are not. I was just thinking about this a few days ago.  It seems the underlying ASSumption is that no one goes to Church.
My family must be downright fanatical, because we typically go Wednesday, Saturday night and Sunday and mornings when there is liturgy for a feast or Saint. :D

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Not glorified, but it's Fr. Seraphim Rose.
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2014, 02:26:16 AM »
Am I the only parent getting annoyed at youth sports organizations having competitions on Sunday mornings?

I know some will say "you don't have to attend", which is true. But if you do attend the event instead of DL, what do you tell your child?  If you have been steadfast how has your child's coach responded?

No, you are not. I was just thinking about this a few days ago.  It seems the underlying ASSumption is that no one goes to Church.
My family must be downright fanatical, because we typically go Wednesday, Saturday night and Sunday and mornings when there is liturgy for a feast or Saint. :D

In Christ,
Andrew

... What saint is that in your avatar, with the gorgeous beard?

Not glorified, but it's Fr. Seraphim Rose.

It seems the portraitist made some improvements.

"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2014, 02:43:13 AM »
I would argue that churches who sponsor ethnic dance troupes is having the same effect with retaining the youth as participating in sports.

You don't like Greek Dancing?

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2014, 02:45:06 AM »
Am I the only parent getting annoyed at youth sports organizations having competitions on Sunday mornings?

I know some will say "you don't have to attend", which is true. But if you do attend the event instead of DL, what do you tell your child?  If you have been steadfast how has your child's coach responded?

No, you are not. I was just thinking about this a few days ago.  It seems the underlying ASSumption is that no one goes to Church.
My family must be downright fanatical, because we typically go Wednesday, Saturday night and Sunday and mornings when there is liturgy for a feast or Saint. :D

In Christ,
Andrew

... What saint is that in your avatar, with the gorgeous beard?

Not glorified, but it's Fr. Seraphim Rose.

It seems the portraitist made some improvements.



Those look like dread knots!

I am sure that Father Seraphim Rose would not support children's athletics that interfered with their attending the Divine Liturgy.
The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai
Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,
Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2014, 02:48:38 AM »
If you've heard his talk "Living the Orthodox Worldview", I'm sure he wouldn't either.

And, yes, his beard was kind of like dreads, just not intentionally braided that way.  When beard (or hair, for that matter) maintenace is low on priorities, that's what'll happen.
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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2014, 08:24:03 AM »
I am guilty of opting for sports over DL. However, this year we have dropped some sports so we a rarely missing DL because of sports. As parents, sometimes we get caught up in the sport and unfortunately think if the child misses a competition that will ruin their career or let down the team. I also think we feel alone or an outcast when choosing church over sports. I know that is cowardly way to feel, but it is true.

I was thinking of starting an organization and call it PASS (Parents against Sports on Sundays) or at least Sunday mornings. If we get enough PASS parents then maybe the leagues and teams will not schedule games in the mornings.

Just a thought.

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Re: Children's Athletics on Sunday Mornings
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2014, 08:37:34 AM »
This was a pet peeve of mine when I taught Sunday school for adolescents.  I don't see why they can't at least wait until after 2pm.
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