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Saudis will deport non Muslims

Saudi Arabia has threatened to deport any non-Muslim foreigners who don't respect the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan by eating, drinking or smoking in public.

An interior ministry statement on the official SPA state news agency urges non-Muslim expatriates in the kingdom to "respect the sentiments of Muslims by not eating, drinking or smoking during Ramadan's daylight hours in public places, including roads and workplaces."

Those who violate the regulations will be deported or sacked, according to the statement.

"They are not excused for being non-Muslim," it said, adding that "anyone living in this country should follow the laws of the Kingdom, including respecting religious sentiments".


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I wonder if they search people for carrying a canteen of water that some weaklings feel they may need on a cool 100°day?
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The hubris. Islam of this imperial kind is damned to fail.
Couldn't say it better myself!

My cousin was in dubai during ramadan, and got a ticket for drinking water in public. Note that it was over 30 celsius or more.
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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

I would agree, but Muslims would never accept the situation if the position were reversed.

Can you imagine the world outrage, especially from Muslims, if a "Christian nation" did the same things with regard to the Great Lenten fast threatening to deport non Orthodox Christians?
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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

Who's "their" in your post? A king doesn't "own" his country, except in fevered imaginations such as yours can be. If this ruling were the result of a true and broad public outcry, then what you say might follow.
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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

I would agree, but Muslims would never accept the situation if the position were reversed.

Can you imagine the world outrage, especially from Muslims, if a "Christian nation" did the same things with regard to the Great Lenten fast threatening to deport non Orthodox Christians?

First the "Christian nation" would have to get the Orthodox to obey. 
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A king doesn't "own" his country, except in fevered imaginations such as yours can be.

Try telling that to King Abdullah. Probably you'll get your head chopped off, proving the country to be his.

The king of Saudi Arabia is the legitimate ruler of the land.

If this ruling were the result of a true and broad public outcry, then what you say might follow.

The genocide in Rwanda was the result of "a true and broad public outcry".

There's no such thing as a "general will", nor would it be a good thing to base public policy on, were it to exist.
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Can't wait until they run out of oil in 2030 and have no real economy to sustain the country. Maybe that will humble their arrogance. They certainly won't be allowed to get away with all of their crimes and abuses once the petrol runs out.

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A king doesn't "own" his country, except in fevered imaginations such as yours can be.

Try telling that to King Abdullah. Probably you'll get your head chopped off, proving the country to be his.

The king of Saudi Arabia is the legitimate ruler of the land.

If this ruling were the result of a true and broad public outcry, then what you say might follow.

The genocide in Rwanda was the result of "a true and broad public outcry".

There's no such thing as a "general will", nor would it be a good thing to base public policy on, were it to exist.

I see you typing such things from a throne of purloined couch pillows.
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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

I would agree, but Muslims would never accept the situation if the position were reversed.

Can you imagine the world outrage, especially from Muslims, if a "Christian nation" did the same things with regard to the Great Lenten fast threatening to deport non Orthodox Christians?

Are we gonna play it that way ? Eye fro an eye ?

Plus, there are many Muslim countries where you are allowed to drink and eat during Ramadan.


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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

I would agree, but Muslims would never accept the situation if the position were reversed.

Can you imagine the world outrage, especially from Muslims, if a "Christian nation" did the same things with regard to the Great Lenten fast threatening to deport non Orthodox Christians?

Are we gonna play it that way ? Eye fro an eye ?

Plus, there are many Muslim countries where you are allowed to drink and eat during Ramadan.


At least until the jihadis kill you.
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I was in Turkey during Ramadan, Cappadocia specifically, and their observance of the fast seemed truly reverential to me. Orthodox Christianity is where it's at for me, but Islam done right is IMO a whole lot better than nothing.
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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

I would agree, but Muslims would never accept the situation if the position were reversed.

Can you imagine the world outrage, especially from Muslims, if a "Christian nation" did the same things with regard to the Great Lenten fast threatening to deport non Orthodox Christians?

Are we gonna play it that way ? Eye fro an eye ?

Plus, there are many Muslim countries where you are allowed to drink and eat during Ramadan.



How can we play it that way since there is no real "Christian" nation, let alone one that would do as the Saudis are!  It's strictly hypothetical.  Does that escape you?
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A king doesn't "own" his country, except in fevered imaginations such as yours can be.

Try telling that to King Abdullah. Probably you'll get your head chopped off, proving the country to be his.

The king of Saudi Arabia is the legitimate ruler of the land.

If this ruling were the result of a true and broad public outcry, then what you say might follow.

The genocide in Rwanda was the result of "a true and broad public outcry".

There's no such thing as a "general will", nor would it be a good thing to base public policy on, were it to exist.

I see you typing such things from a throne of purloined couch pillows.

I didn't purloin any pillow.

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I was in Turkey during Ramadan, Cappadocia specifically, and their observance of the fast seemed truly reverential to me. Orthodox Christianity is where it's at for me, but Islam done right is IMO a whole lot better than nothing.

So is Hinduism "done right." Heck, it's not only better than nothing, it's better than Christianity "done wrong." The same could probably have been said about a number of extinct religions, also.
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The king of Saudi Arabia is the legitimate ruler of the land.

No, he isn't. That Wahhabi Saud dynasty are a bunch of imposters who got to power with Britain's help. Only the Hashemite dynasty are legitimate rulers of Arabia.

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The king of Saudi Arabia is the legitimate ruler of the land.

No, he isn't. That Wahhabi Saud dynasty are a bunch of imposters who got to power with Britain's help. Only the Hashemite dynasty are legitimate rulers of Arabia.

And how's that legitimacy claim working out for them these days in Saudi Arabia?  They got Jordan at least.
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The hubris. Islam of this imperial kind is damned to fail.
But actually it hasn't. In a long, long time.

The hubris is really on the Saudi guests in their country if they don't at least respect their cultural and religious laws.

They can go elsewhere.
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The hubris. Islam of this imperial kind is damned to fail.
Couldn't say it better myself!

My cousin was in dubai during ramadan, and got a ticket for drinking water in public. Note that it was over 30 celsius or more.
He either didn't know the rules (which I doubt) or he has no discipline.
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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

I would agree, but Muslims would never accept the situation if the position were reversed.

Can you imagine the world outrage, especially from Muslims, if a "Christian nation" did the same things with regard to the Great Lenten fast threatening to deport non Orthodox Christians?
Difference is, many Muslim countries are still principled in many ways. While "christian" nations don't stand for much anymore.


As a matter of fact, many Muslims would probably adhere to some traditional Christian  disciplines before most christians would.
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I love our Saudi Arabian ally friends.  ::)
I like the concept of Ramadan, I think it would take some serious mental, physical and spiritual discipline to not eat, drink or smoke from sun-up to sun-down. Something, quite frankly, most Americans couldn't begin to fathom or even attempt to try.

Take a look around, that's all Americans do is eat and drink and smoke to their hearts desire.

They're pathetic.
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I love our Saudi Arabian ally friends.  ::)
I like the concept of Ramadan, I think it would take some serious mental, physical and spiritual discipline to not eat, drink or smoke from sun-up to sun-down. Something, quite frankly, most Americans couldn't begin to fathom or even attempt to try.

Take a look around, that's all Americans do is eat and drink and smoke to their hearts desire.

They're pathetic.
Maybe, but the concept get markedly less romantic when you have government officials threatening to beat the crap out of your for screwing up some obscure Ramadan rule.
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I love our Saudi Arabian ally friends.  ::)
I like the concept of Ramadan, I think it would take some serious mental, physical and spiritual discipline to not eat, drink or smoke from sun-up to sun-down. Something, quite frankly, most Americans couldn't begin to fathom or even attempt to try.

Take a look around, that's all Americans do is eat and drink and smoke to their hearts desire.

They're pathetic.
Maybe, but the concept get markedly less romantic when you have government officials threatening to beat the crap out of your for screwing up some obscure Ramadan rule.
I highly doubt that. You would probably just be told to leave quietly if you refuse to respect their religious/cultural values.

They're not clubbing anyone there for nothing. And God forbid if they did. If some sancrosanct beligerent American or Westerner refused to abide by their rules and got slapped around a little it would be global news. Remember the little American punk over in Asia that recieved a spanking for vandalising cars over there and the "international" outrage over it? the Saudi's don't need that publicity.

Besides, if your a foreigner residing in the Kingdom over there  and the rules for Ramadan are somehwat "obscure" to you, you're either full of it, braindead or don't have a heartbeat.
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Saudis will deport non Muslims

Saudi Arabia has threatened to deport any non-Muslim foreigners who don't respect the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan by eating, drinking or smoking in public.

An interior ministry statement on the official SPA state news agency urges non-Muslim expatriates in the kingdom to "respect the sentiments of Muslims by not eating, drinking or smoking during Ramadan's daylight hours in public places, including roads and workplaces."

Those who violate the regulations will be deported or sacked, according to the statement.

"They are not excused for being non-Muslim," it said, adding that "anyone living in this country should follow the laws of the Kingdom, including respecting religious sentiments".


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Just wondering, why are you blaming the religion instead of the Kingdom that's creating these laws?

It's not Islam that's the problem. Well for you anyway.

Most "muslim" countries don't enforce Ramadan rules  on non-muslims.
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Re: Saudis threaten non Muslims with deportation for not observing Ramadan
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How tolerant and peaceful of them
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Re: Saudis threaten non Muslims with deportation for not observing Ramadan
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I love our Saudi Arabian ally friends.  ::)
I like the concept of Ramadan, I think it would take some serious mental, physical and spiritual discipline to not eat, drink or smoke from sun-up to sun-down. Something, quite frankly, most Americans couldn't begin to fathom or even attempt to try.

Take a look around, that's all Americans do is eat and drink and smoke to their hearts desire.

They're pathetic.

I honestly can't even think of a single person I know who smokes, or the last time I saw someone smoking. And very few people who drink. In university there were basically no students who actually liked to go out and get drunk or party. And the weirdest thing is I always see Muslims (in full out burqa or thawb and with zibiba on forehead so there is no question of them being Muslim) buying wine at the grocery store.

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Re: Saudis threaten non Muslims with deportation for not observing Ramadan
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Their country, their rules. Don't like it, get out.

That goes for immigrants everywhere.

Yeah but that's assuming all non-Muslims there are immigrants when I'm sure many of them are not.