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Question: Is it ethical and right to purchase inexpensive clothing from slave labor or sweat shops ?
Never - 3 (12%)
No, but I cannot say never - 8 (32%)
No, unless I do not have any options - 5 (20%)
Yes, it provides a livelihood for the poor - 4 (16%)
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« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2014, 12:46:27 AM »

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
I feel you, brother. Blessed are those whose innocence has not been seized from them by elephant porn.

I said "elephant flasher" not generic elephant porn.  Geez, I would have figured that would have been out there on the discovery channel if nothing else. 
Sometimes, you have to wade through the elephant dung to find the bauble you were searching for.

If an elephant ate your bauble, you deserve to wade through dung.
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« Reply #91 on: June 29, 2014, 12:50:50 AM »

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
I feel you, brother. Blessed are those whose innocence has not been seized from them by elephant porn.

I said "elephant flasher" not generic elephant porn.  Geez, I would have figured that would have been out there on the discovery channel if nothing else. 
Sometimes, you have to wade through the elephant dung to find the bauble you were searching for.

If an elephant ate your bauble, you deserve to wade through dung.

Such an inspiring post!  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2014, 12:52:57 AM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

I can just imagine my fifth-grade teacher (a nun) saying:

"Now, Punch, why would you do that?

Must have been the devil that tempted you. Lord have mercy.

Next time, listen to your Guardian Angel on your shoulder!"
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« Reply #93 on: June 29, 2014, 02:07:25 PM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

I can just imagine my fifth-grade teacher (a nun) saying:

"Now, Punch, why would you do that?

Must have been the devil that tempted you. Lord have mercy.

Next time, listen to your Guardian Angel on your shoulder!"

You are so right.  He was telling me to use "elephant flasher" instead of "elephant porn". It may have spared me much trauma if I just would have listened.
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« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2014, 10:48:56 PM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

I can just imagine my fifth-grade teacher (a nun) saying:

"Now, Punch, why would you do that?

Must have been the devil that tempted you. Lord have mercy.

Next time, listen to your Guardian Angel on your shoulder!"

You are so right.  He was telling me to use "elephant flasher" instead of "elephant porn". It may have spared me much trauma if I just would have listened.

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« Reply #95 on: June 30, 2014, 12:19:43 AM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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Once my wife and I sponsored a child from one of the mega old school TV sponsorship things (not said in boast at all). He was in South America.  Came to find out, Nike had a huge plant there and paid all the people .11 cents per hour.  So while Nike was making a fortune, his family could not even afford to raise him.  His parents both worked there and he could not go to school.

My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.
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« Reply #96 on: June 30, 2014, 12:46:33 AM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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Once my wife and I sponsored a child from one of the mega old school TV sponsorship things (not said in boast at all). He was in South America.  Came to find out, Nike had a huge plant there and paid all the people .11 cents per hour.  So while Nike was making a fortune, his family could not even afford to raise him.  His parents both worked there and he could not go to school.

My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.


Hey, I might be interested in buying this kind of material. At least, this would not be from Chinese sweat labor - prison slave labor factories that now produce most of the fabric used to make clothes worldwide with the exception of the Indian-Pakistani mills.
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« Reply #97 on: June 30, 2014, 09:09:58 AM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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Once my wife and I sponsored a child from one of the mega old school TV sponsorship things (not said in boast at all). He was in South America.  Came to find out, Nike had a huge plant there and paid all the people .11 cents per hour.  So while Nike was making a fortune, his family could not even afford to raise him.  His parents both worked there and he could not go to school.

My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving with child labor.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.
Fixed it for you.  Wink
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« Reply #98 on: July 04, 2014, 03:34:10 PM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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Once my wife and I sponsored a child from one of the mega old school TV sponsorship things (not said in boast at all). He was in South America.  Came to find out, Nike had a huge plant there and paid all the people .11 cents per hour.  So while Nike was making a fortune, his family could not even afford to raise him.  His parents both worked there and he could not go to school.

My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.

Interesting. Without advertising on the Internet, we would have no way of knowing about these USA made materials.
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« Reply #99 on: July 04, 2014, 04:31:28 PM »

A pea facial maybe?

That looks better than it sounds when read aloud.

LOL. I did not get your meaning until I read it aloud.
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« Reply #100 on: July 04, 2014, 05:28:31 PM »

The issue is an interesting parallel to what most of us often miss, which in turn includes most of our own sins.
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The issue is an interesting parallel to what most of us often miss, which in turn includes most of our own sins.

Shhhh. This is OC.net, do you want to start to encourage people to go to Confession, or something?   Wink
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« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2014, 09:12:06 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

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I am just starting, I vote no to this notion.
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« Reply #103 on: July 04, 2014, 09:26:33 PM »

To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

So far, I wouldn't. But that's not the right answer, I think.
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« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2014, 09:32:35 PM »

To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.
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« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2014, 10:45:58 PM »

To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.
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« Reply #106 on: July 05, 2014, 10:35:35 AM »

To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.

Post 16 was an attempt to show that the conditions in much of the third world are so bad that working in a sweatshop would be regarded by many of those in that situation as a major step up in life.  As a History major, he has had the opportunity to study many of the small, un-noticed by ignorant full bellied Americans, wars in Africa where children as young as 10 years old are carrying rifles to fight for their warlord, and girls no older are being passed around the campfire for entertainment - often raped to death.  Many of these African children would kill to be able to work in an Asian sweatshop making your clothing.  THAT was the intent of post 16, not justifying sweatshops for which there is no justification.  If you get another 90 minutes of free time, look up some articles on the Liberian civil war. 
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To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.

Post 16 was an attempt to show that the conditions in much of the third world are so bad that working in a sweatshop would be regarded by many of those in that situation as a major step up in life.  As a History major, he has had the opportunity to study many of the small, un-noticed by ignorant full bellied Americans, wars in Africa where children as young as 10 years old are carrying rifles to fight for their warlord, and girls no older are being passed around the campfire for entertainment - often raped to death.  Many of these African children would kill to be able to work in an Asian sweatshop making your clothing.  THAT was the intent of post 16, not justifying sweatshops for which there is no justification.  If you get another 90 minutes of free time, look up some articles on the Liberian civil war. 

You are being overly presumptuous and I cannot figure out why. I did not need 90 min to learn or write about sweatshops, I would have introduced the depletion and pollution of the Bangladesh water supply due to the dyeing of fabrics.  Nor do I need 90 min to learn about Liberia or Mozambique or whatever, I have been and continue to be a current events junkie. Based on what I knew about the languages spoken in the Indian subcontinent, I was interested in a very specific statement:
"How would a third world sweatshop kid know how to spell "degrading"?"
That was the entirety of my inquiry. I hope this is now clear.
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« Reply #108 on: July 05, 2014, 08:05:15 PM »

To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.

Post 16 was an attempt to show that the conditions in much of the third world are so bad that working in a sweatshop would be regarded by many of those in that situation as a major step up in life.  As a History major, he has had the opportunity to study many of the small, un-noticed by ignorant full bellied Americans, wars in Africa where children as young as 10 years old are carrying rifles to fight for their warlord, and girls no older are being passed around the campfire for entertainment - often raped to death.  Many of these African children would kill to be able to work in an Asian sweatshop making your clothing.  THAT was the intent of post 16, not justifying sweatshops for which there is no justification.  If you get another 90 minutes of free time, look up some articles on the Liberian civil war. 

You are being overly presumptuous and I cannot figure out why. I did not need 90 min to learn or write about sweatshops, I would have introduced the depletion and pollution of the Bangladesh water supply due to the dyeing of fabrics.  Nor do I need 90 min to learn about Liberia or Mozambique or whatever, I have been and continue to be a current events junkie. Based on what I knew about the languages spoken in the Indian subcontinent, I was interested in a very specific statement:
"How would a third world sweatshop kid know how to spell "degrading"?"
That was the entirety of my inquiry. I hope this is now clear.

No, given that the OP was discussing a factory disaster in Bangladesh where 50% of the population is illiterate and only 18% even speak English, making it highly unlikely that someone in a sweatshop would know how to spell "degrading".
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No, given that the OP was discussing a factory disaster in Bangladesh where 50% of the population is illiterate and only 18% even speak English, making it highly unlikely that someone in a sweatshop would know how to spell "degrading".

This very objection that someone possibly from England might have carefully printed the label and attached it to the clothing either before or after purchase was raised by the link provided in the OP. How would they prove this assumption?

Careful forensics would be needed to study the label in order to determine pollen content (country of origin).
* If the tape on which the message was embroidered were to be determined to have come from that factory, then that evidence would be damning.
* On the other hand, with world trade, that plain white tape might have been manufactured in China for import to Bangladesh, as the Chinese have their own slave labor camps. China has been known for using political prisoners in their sweat shops.

The embroidery thread used also needs to be studied.
* Where was it originally made?
* Was there any DNA tissue on it or small blood stains from a needle puncture that could determine the ethnicity of the seamstress or tailor?

On the one hand, there are many opportunities that unscrupulous people could use.

On the other hand, perhaps a supervisor at the sweat shop added the label in a silent cry for help.

Examine the purchaser. Was this tape or garment worn or washed by the purchaser?
* If so, use of water, detergent or dry cleaning fluids could have contaminated any evidence.
* If these garments were dry cleaned, perhaps an employee of the dry cleaner shop could have added the label.

Notice that the garment label was not immediately discovered by the purchasers, who apparently kept these garments in their possession for almost a year. However, I have known some women who have purchased a garment, put it away in their closets, and then have all together forgotten about it, so it might not have been worn at all.




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« Reply #110 on: July 05, 2014, 10:33:03 PM »

Speaking of labels, have you seen this one:

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« Reply #111 on: July 05, 2014, 10:34:38 PM »

Notice that the garment label was not immediately discovered by the purchasers, who apparently kept these garments in their possession for almost a year. However, I have known some women who have purchased a garment, put it away in their closets, and then have all together forgotten about it, so it might not have been worn at all.

This is the most suspicious.  I have never known any woman (or man as far as that goes) that purchases a garment, even if they do not intend to wear it right away, without looking at the label to see 1) if the size matches the tag, and 2) what the materials are and possibly 3) laundry instructions.
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« Reply #112 on: July 05, 2014, 10:40:35 PM »

Notice that the garment label was not immediately discovered by the purchasers, who apparently kept these garments in their possession for almost a year. However, I have known some women who have purchased a garment, put it away in their closets, and then have all together forgotten about it, so it might not have been worn at all.

This is the most suspicious.  I have never known any woman (or man as far as that goes) that purchases a garment, even if they do not intend to wear it right away, without looking at the label to see 1) if the size matches the tag, and 2) what the materials are and possibly 3) laundry instructions.

I do read labels for care instructions BEFORE purchasing anything and I have found errors in them (see my post immediately above).  For example, while the price tag may contain an advertisement claiming that the product is 100% cotton and made in the USA, the garment label may say that the garment was made in the USA from imported material.
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« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2014, 05:50:25 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.
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« Reply #114 on: July 07, 2014, 06:00:02 PM »

I am a millenial, and naturally a child of all of the social movements that the twenty-first century has seen, particularly the environmental movement. So I support sustainable living, renewable energy, bioconservatism, food justice, food sovereignty, et cetera. Cheesy I try to avoid purchasing clothing that may have dubious origins. Though, you never know with ready-to-wear stuff and your mid-price range labels in this day and age.  Smiley Even Benetton, the Children's Place  Shocked, and Mango had their hands in the 2013 Savar building collapse.
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« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2014, 06:13:30 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.
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« Reply #116 on: July 07, 2014, 06:29:02 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.
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« Reply #117 on: July 07, 2014, 07:13:53 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

Not just hermits...no one gave me a riassa. 
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« Reply #118 on: July 07, 2014, 07:16:08 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

Not just hermits...no one gave me a riassa. 

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« Reply #119 on: July 07, 2014, 07:28:34 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.


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« Reply #120 on: July 07, 2014, 07:37:12 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




you shouldn't be working outside of the home anyway
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« Reply #121 on: July 07, 2014, 07:41:58 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




you shouldn't be working outside of the home anyway


Fair point...alas. I obviously have terrified every male on the planet into running away.   Leaving me to accept destitution or work. 

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« Reply #122 on: July 07, 2014, 08:12:38 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

Not just hermits...no one gave me a riassa.  



Looks like he is wearing a pair of grocery bags!

Were they also made in a sweatshop?
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« Reply #123 on: July 07, 2014, 08:31:41 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

Not just hermits...no one gave me a riassa.  



Looks like he is wearing a pair of grocery bags!

Were they also made in a sweatshop?

Doubt it but they probably contained some GMO groceries.
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« Reply #124 on: July 07, 2014, 08:48:42 PM »

And killed off some endangered tropical trees, no doubt. 

Homer needs to repent.
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« Reply #125 on: July 07, 2014, 08:50:31 PM »

I would throw away that thing for a new riassa, but I have no donors.  So it's literally that or nothing.
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« Reply #126 on: July 07, 2014, 09:17:03 PM »

I would throw away that thing for a new riassa, but I have no donors.  So it's literally that or nothing.

There are some monasteries who make riassas for $100. How they can afford that price beats me.
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« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2014, 09:35:49 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




I threatened to come to work in a trench coat and a thong once.  The guards, after a moment of shocked and disgusted silence, told me that would be the design basis threat (the maximum threat that our security force is trained to handle).  For a while, my "radio call sign" was DBT-1.
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« Reply #128 on: July 07, 2014, 10:22:41 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




I threatened to come to work in a trench coat and a thong once.  The guards, after a moment of shocked and disgusted silence, told me that would be the design basis threat (the maximum threat that our security force is trained to handle).  For a while, my "radio call sign" was DBT-1.

Now why would you risk your job by doing something like that?
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« Reply #129 on: July 07, 2014, 11:18:49 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




I threatened to come to work in a trench coat and a thong once.  The guards, after a moment of shocked and disgusted silence, told me that would be the design basis threat (the maximum threat that our security force is trained to handle).  For a while, my "radio call sign" was DBT-1.

Now why would you risk your job by doing something like that?

The usual security mess at work.  One day, you need to take off your coat before you go through the metal detector.  The next day, you don't.  Then the day after that, you need to take off both your coat and your hat.  That is when I told them that if they keep that stuff up, I was going to come in wearing nothing but a thong under my coat.  Remarkably, there were not too many changes after that.
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« Reply #130 on: July 08, 2014, 10:44:44 AM »

I would throw away that thing for a new riassa, but I have no donors.  So it's literally that or nothing.

There are some monasteries who make riassas for $100. How they can afford that price beats me.
One cannot call monastic life slave labor., or is that open to debate?

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« Reply #131 on: July 08, 2014, 11:47:36 AM »


Here I am dressed for work.  For $100 I will add a coat.   

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« Reply #132 on: July 08, 2014, 12:04:24 PM »

What kind of strip joint is this?  Elephants in tutus and nothing else?
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« Reply #133 on: July 08, 2014, 01:17:54 PM »

Before I buy an article of clothing, I first look at the tag to determine the country of origin.  I then conduct extensive research into the brand to determine where exactly the factory or factories are located.  I then purchase plane tickets and fly personally to each factory where I conduct hours of interviews with the workers and managers of these factories.  I ask about the working conditions, whether the staff are paid, if so how much, whether the staff are there against their will, what would they do differently if they had a choice, whether they are able to survive now, whether they would do better for themselves with another job, whether there are better job prospects in the area, whether the managers are friendly, etc.  I connect my translator and the workers to polygraph machines to verify that the workers and my translator are telling me the truth.  If I determine that the money I spend on that article of clothing would be helpful rather than detrimental to these people, I then arrange interviews with the company management and owners to see how they would profit from my purchase.  I would ask to see their bank and credit card statements to find out how they spend their money, whether they give to the poor, whether they fairly share their profits with their workers, and whether they do anything sinful with their money.  If everything checks out there, I examine their methods of manufacturing and distribution and develop complex models compare the carbon footprints and pollutant contributions to the air, water, and soil if I were to make this purchase.  If that looks good, I fly home and purchase the article of clothing.  As a result of this rigorous process, I have yet to purchase an article of clothing.

Seriously, though, I think this issue is a complex one that will always stir up debate.  Conditions may be worse and pay lower in another country, for example, but perhaps the pennies in the hands of the poor in China are more helpful to them than the dollars in the hands of the poor American who struggles to pay their smartphone and cable bill every month but otherwise eats pretty well.  Who can say for sure? 


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« Reply #134 on: July 08, 2014, 01:21:17 PM »

I, Sir, am a professional!  Please note the flat shoes!  This is very economical, environmental, conscientious attire.  And quite attractive as well.  
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