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Question: Is it ethical and right to purchase inexpensive clothing from slave labor or sweat shops ?
Never - 3 (12%)
No, but I cannot say never - 8 (32%)
No, unless I do not have any options - 5 (20%)
Yes, it provides a livelihood for the poor - 4 (16%)
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« on: June 25, 2014, 03:21:46 PM »

"This cry for help on a Primark label can't be ignored!"

I agree.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/25/primark-label-swansea-textile-industry-rana-plaza
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2014, 03:32:56 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2014, 03:34:05 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 03:43:48 PM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 03:44:33 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

Marc is going to love this post!  Roll Eyes

I have never heard of "organic dishwashing detergent" or "anti-abortion toilets".
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 03:46:16 PM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 03:46:39 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

Marc is going to love this post!  Roll Eyes

I have never heard of "organic dishwashing detergent" or "anti-abortion toilets".


Where have you been shopping?...I buy 'all natural and organic dishwashing liquid'

(again because i am allergic to everything, not because i am saving the world...)

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2014, 03:47:06 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

POM. Reminds me strongly of this: http://deathtotheworld.com/articles/a-letter-to-thomas-merton/
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2014, 03:49:22 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

Marc is going to love this post!  Roll Eyes

I have never heard of "organic dishwashing detergent" or "anti-abortion toilets".


Where have you been shopping?...I buy 'all natural and organic dishwashing liquid'

(again because i am allergic to everything, not because i am saving the world...)



Where do you find it? I have not been to Whole Foods Market in a while. It is too expensive and too far away.
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2014, 03:50:38 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

Marc is going to love this post!  Roll Eyes

I have never heard of "organic dishwashing detergent" or "anti-abortion toilets".


Where have you been shopping?...I buy 'all natural and organic dishwashing liquid'

(again because i am allergic to everything, not because i am saving the world...)



Where do you find it? I have not been to Whole Foods Market in a while. It is too expensive and too far away.


Even Target has a natural cleaning products section now. Wink
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2014, 03:51:29 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

Marc is going to love this post!  Roll Eyes

I have never heard of "organic dishwashing detergent" or "anti-abortion toilets".
You haven't lived until you own an anti-abortion toilet. I will avoid going into details, but you will NEVER have to worry about anyone aborting a baby in your bathroom with one of them installed. Organic dishwashing detergent is a must. It doesn't clean anything, but at least you feel natural as you scrub your dishes with fair trade organic honey infused with eucalyptus oil picked by fair trade Aboriginal minority businesses.
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2014, 04:00:32 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

Marc is going to love this post!  Roll Eyes

I have never heard of "organic dishwashing detergent" or "anti-abortion toilets".
You haven't lived until you own an anti-abortion toilet. I will avoid going into details, but you will NEVER have to worry about anyone aborting a baby in your bathroom with one of them installed. Organic dishwashing detergent is a must. It doesn't clean anything, but at least you feel natural as you scrub your dishes with fair trade organic honey infused with eucalyptus oil picked by fair trade Aboriginal minority businesses.

Nor would anyone want to use one if they really existed.
How would you feel if bells and whistles went off everytime you put extra toilet paper in the toilet?

Hey, maybe the tree people (environmentalists) will cause the toilet industry to change the construction in order to save trees.
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2014, 04:04:10 PM »

There are many things I'd rather not do, but have to due to circumstance.
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2014, 04:05:59 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

POM. Reminds me strongly of this: http://deathtotheworld.com/articles/a-letter-to-thomas-merton/

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Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

POM. Reminds me strongly of this: http://deathtotheworld.com/articles/a-letter-to-thomas-merton/

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2014, 04:17:27 PM »


This is probably a prank.  How would a third world sweatshop kid know how to spell "degrading"?  Do they even call them sweatshops over there?  I figured they would call it something like "place I get to go every day instead of being a child soldier like my buddy Akim and my first crush Mohammeda who became a prostitute as soon as she hit 12".
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This is probably a prank.  How would a third world sweatshop kid know how to spell "degrading"?  Do they even call them sweatshops over there?  I figured they would call it something like "place I get to go every day instead of being a child soldier like my buddy Akim and my first crush Mohammeda who became a prostitute as soon as she hit 12".
I think the take away here is that the garment inspector in that sweat shop is doing a pretty lousy job if he is letting those get by.  Tongue
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This is probably a prank.  How would a third world sweatshop kid know how to spell "degrading"?  Do they even call them sweatshops over there?  I figured they would call it something like "place I get to go every day instead of being a child soldier like my buddy Akim and my first crush Mohammeda who became a prostitute as soon as she hit 12".

I thought the same, but someone in corporate with an education could be sending a message.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2014, 04:27:11 PM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2014, 04:56:02 PM »

+1

Same goes for the way we treat nature, cattle etc. and yet nobody could care less. We have a lot to answer when our time comes.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2014, 05:01:34 PM »

A question is though, that .11$/hr could be double what they would be making at other places and by working there improves their quality of living.
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2014, 05:03:06 PM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.

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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2014, 05:12:14 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
No what you are really buying into are workers being maliciously and deleteriously used, even taking their own life (see Foxconn), and you already know the extent of how much they suffer. But the corporations to assuage your guilt, they will make some pathetic donation or act of charity to recompense the harm done.

Says quite a lot about how revolting you are. I guess a "Lord have mercy" is enough for them to cope with.

If only the Orthodox Church could serve harsher penances for their followers.

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

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Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
No what you are really buying into are workers being maliciously and deleteriously used, even taking their own life (see Foxconn), and you already know the extent of how much they suffer. But the corporations to assuage your guilt, they will make some pathetic donation or act of charity to recompense the harm done.

Says quite a lot about how revolting you are. I guess a "Lord have mercy" is enough for them to cope with.

And how is TheTrisagion going to stop all that?
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2014, 05:46:26 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
No what you are really buying into are workers being maliciously and deleteriously used, even taking their own life (see Foxconn), and you already know the extent of how much they suffer. But the corporations to assuage your guilt, they will make some pathetic donation or act of charity to recompense the harm done.

Says quite a lot about how revolting you are. I guess a "Lord have mercy" is enough for them to cope with.

And how is TheTrisagion going to stop all that?

By walking around naked, shoeless, and device-less.
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2014, 05:48:00 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
No what you are really buying into are workers being maliciously and deleteriously used, even taking their own life (see Foxconn), and you already know the extent of how much they suffer. But the corporations to assuage your guilt, they will make some pathetic donation or act of charity to recompense the harm done.

Says quite a lot about how revolting you are. I guess a "Lord have mercy" is enough for them to cope with.

And how is TheTrisagion going to stop all that?

By walking around naked, shoeless, and device-less.

The only thing that would happen is that he would catch a cold or would end up in jail. Nothing would change in those Asian factories.

Those 'fair trade' companies often are as bad as the other companies in exploiting the workers in the third world, so that isn't a good solution either.
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2014, 05:51:32 PM »

Yeah, I know. I was just responding to those who would say that not buying those products would solve anything.
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2014, 06:27:19 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
No what you are really buying into are workers being maliciously and deleteriously used, even taking their own life (see Foxconn), and you already know the extent of how much they suffer. But the corporations to assuage your guilt, they will make some pathetic donation or act of charity to recompense the harm done.

Says quite a lot about how revolting you are. I guess a "Lord have mercy" is enough for them to cope with.

And how is TheTrisagion going to stop all that?
The way he carries on his life brazenly is there any stopping it?
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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2014, 06:29:37 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
No what you are really buying into are workers being maliciously and deleteriously used, even taking their own life (see Foxconn), and you already know the extent of how much they suffer. But the corporations to assuage your guilt, they will make some pathetic donation or act of charity to recompense the harm done.

Says quite a lot about how revolting you are. I guess a "Lord have mercy" is enough for them to cope with.

And how is TheTrisagion going to stop all that?
The way he carries on his life brazenly is there any stopping it?

Even if TheTrisagion were a saint and a miracle-worker he wouldn't be able to stop it.
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2014, 06:31:52 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.
No what you are really buying into are workers being maliciously and deleteriously used, even taking their own life (see Foxconn), and you already know the extent of how much they suffer. But the corporations to assuage your guilt, they will make some pathetic donation or act of charity to recompense the harm done.

Says quite a lot about how revolting you are. I guess a "Lord have mercy" is enough for them to cope with.

And how is TheTrisagion going to stop all that?
The way he carries on his life brazenly is there any stopping it?

Even if TheTrisagion was a saint and a miracle-worker he wouldn't be able to stop it.
No I mean, since he clearly is an unabashed individual, is there any stopping to his behavior enabling the suffering others are in?
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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2014, 06:35:08 PM »

is there any stopping to his behavior enabling the suffering others are in?

For him to enable it wouldn't he have to be capable of disabling it? Vietnamese children don't suffer more or less because of TheTrisagion's attitude.
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 06:48:21 PM »

is there any stopping to his behavior enabling the suffering others are in?

For him to enable it wouldn't he have to be capable of disabling it? Vietnamese children don't suffer more or less because of TheTrisagion's attitude.
Can we get past your pontificating on how unapologetically irrationally obtuse and depraved you are for a minute?

My god the level of degeneracy on this particular message board requires me to bring a lantern to see if I can find anyone that resembles something of a human being, let alone is one.

There are those in the world treated so harshly because of the demand for excessive consumption of others. His carelessness and utter disregard of mercy does no one any favors, including himself. You and him are very much so responsible for those that are horrifically treated and even allowing those workers to be in a state of perpetual bondage.

The very fact that a sweat shop even exists is extremely alarming. Yet Christians, as usual, remain muted.

And LOL @ "attitude". Are you for real?
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 06:51:50 PM »

is there any stopping to his behavior enabling the suffering others are in?

For him to enable it wouldn't he have to be capable of disabling it? Vietnamese children don't suffer more or less because of TheTrisagion's attitude.
Can we get past your pontificating on how unapologetically irrationally obtuse and depraved you are for a minute?

My god the level of degeneracy on this particular message board requires me to bring a lantern to see if I can find anyone that resembles something of a human being, let alone is one.

There are those in the world treated so harshly because of the demand for excessive consumption of others. His carelessness and utter disregard of mercy does no one any favors, including himself. You and him are very much so responsible for those that are horrifically treated and even allowing those workers to be in a state of perpetual bondage.

The very fact that a sweat shop even exists is extremely alarming. Yet Christians, as usual, remain muted.

And LOL @ "attitude". Are you for real?



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is there any stopping to his behavior enabling the suffering others are in?

For him to enable it wouldn't he have to be capable of disabling it? Vietnamese children don't suffer more or less because of TheTrisagion's attitude.
Can we get past your pontificating on how unapologetically irrationally obtuse and depraved you are for a minute?

My god the level of degeneracy on this particular message board requires me to bring a lantern to see if I can find anyone that resembles something of a human being, let alone is one.

There are those in the world treated so harshly because of the demand for excessive consumption of others. His carelessness and utter disregard of mercy does no one any favors, including himself. You and him are very much so responsible for those that are horrifically treated and even allowing those workers to be in a state of perpetual bondage.

The very fact that a sweat shop even exists is extremely alarming. Yet Christians, as usual, remain muted.

And LOL @ "attitude". Are you for real?

Why so hostile?
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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2014, 06:57:37 PM »

how unapologetically irrationally [...] you are for a minute?

That's rich, coming from you.

There are those in the world treated so harshly because of the demand for excessive consumption of others.

You're sitting behind a computer, (probably) have a refrigerator, a tv and a cell phone. You're probably not dressed in rags either. Physician, heal thyself.

You and him are very much so responsible for those that are horrifically treated and even allowing those workers to be in a state of perpetual bondage.

The very fact that a sweat shop even exists is extremely alarming. Yet Christians, as usual, remain muted.

If we are responsible, you are too.

And what if the government would use its powers and step in, demanding the closing of the factories in Vietnam or Laos. What then? The factory would move and the workers over there would lose their meager wage and then they'd have nothing. What then should they say? "Thank you, Geh"?

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Can we get past your pontificating...

LOL, be quiet.
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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2014, 07:55:50 PM »

lol, geh is my new favorite forumer. Unless he is shiny. In which case, he is my new old favorite forumer.

In response to geh's post, I don't know if I'm brazen about it. It isn't like I walk around looking for children to throw in sweat shops. I just wear whatever clothes my wife decides she is going to buy me for my birthday and that's that. I really don't feel like it is a profitable use of time and money to research where every consumer item I might buy comes from and where the raw materials for each of those products comes from. Call me lazy, but that isn't my idea of a slammin' fun Friday night.
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I made an entire can of peas but don't want to eat the last 40%. If I throw them out it is wasting food. But if I put them in the fridge it means using energy to cool them, and then more energy to reheat them, etc. What a quandary...
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I made an entire can of peas but don't want to eat the last 40%. If I throw them out it is wasting food. But if I put them in the fridge it means using energy to cool them, and then more energy to reheat them, etc. What a quandary...

Throw it outside, something will eat it.
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I made an entire can of peas but don't want to eat the last 40%. If I throw them out it is wasting food. But if I put them in the fridge it means using energy to cool them, and then more energy to reheat them, etc. What a quandary...


smear them on yourself instead wearing those evil sweatshop clothes....
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Throw it outside, something will eat it.

What if that attracts critters, who then bite a small child, who gets a disease or infection, and dies? All because I didn't want to eat a few spoonfuls of peas?  Sad

smear them on yourself instead wearing those evil sweatshop clothes....

This might work for me, but I'm not sure how my neighbors would react. Meh, they never seem to mind when I go out in my boxer-briefs for the mail, so they should be ok.
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A pea facial maybe?
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Throw it outside, something will eat it.

What if that attracts critters, who then bite a small child, who gets a disease or infection, and dies? All because I didn't want to eat a few spoonfuls of peas?  Sad

Having children is a waste of precious resources for selfish reasons (e.g., having something to take pictures of and post them on Facebook so that you can vicariously attract attention to yourself).  You would be doing the world a favour.  

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This might work for me, but I'm not sure how my neighbors would react. Meh, they never seem to mind when I go out in my boxer-briefs for the mail, so they should be ok.

Oooh, boxer briefs!
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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2014, 08:27:35 PM »

A pea facial maybe?

That looks better than it sounds when read aloud.
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A pea facial maybe?

I am going to not respond to that. My days of being honest about such matters are over.
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A pea facial maybe?

I am going to not respond to that. My days of being honest about such matters are over.

I did a pumpkin facial once. I can't say I such much benefit in it, besides my face reeking of pumpkin afterwards.
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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2014, 09:08:20 PM »

I really don't feel like it is a profitable use of time and money to research where every consumer item I might buy comes from and where the raw materials for each of those products comes from. Call me lazy, but that isn't my idea of a slammin' fun Friday night.
I made an entire can of peas but don't want to eat the last 40%. If I throw them out it is wasting food. But if I put them in the fridge it means using energy to cool them, and then more energy to reheat them, etc. What a quandary...
Throw it outside, something will eat it.

What if that attracts critters, who then bite a small child, who gets a disease or infection, and dies? All because I didn't want to eat a few spoonfuls of peas?  Sad

smear them on yourself instead wearing those evil sweatshop clothes....

This might work for me, but I'm not sure how my neighbors would react. Meh, they never seem to mind when I go out in my boxer-briefs for the mail, so they should be ok.
A pea facial maybe?
Keep yukking it up.

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I've never owned a pair of shoes that cost more than $30. Maybe my dress shoes, which I bought for funerals and such, and which I paid whatever they said I had to for. So I'm afraid you'll have to pick another consumerist vice of mine.

Though I do admit to feeling bad later on about the joke. Not because of anything you said (of course), but because I watched the video that Maria posted in the other thread about the prostitution, and I felt like an *ss for joking about stuff in this thread, which is also a serious matter--even if some of the proposed solutions and rhetoric are more emotion and flailing about than real substance.
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I really don't feel like it is a profitable use of time and money to research where every consumer item I might buy comes from and where the raw materials for each of those products comes from. Call me lazy, but that isn't my idea of a slammin' fun Friday night.
I made an entire can of peas but don't want to eat the last 40%. If I throw them out it is wasting food. But if I put them in the fridge it means using energy to cool them, and then more energy to reheat them, etc. What a quandary...
Throw it outside, something will eat it.

What if that attracts critters, who then bite a small child, who gets a disease or infection, and dies? All because I didn't want to eat a few spoonfuls of peas?  Sad

smear them on yourself instead wearing those evil sweatshop clothes....

This might work for me, but I'm not sure how my neighbors would react. Meh, they never seem to mind when I go out in my boxer-briefs for the mail, so they should be ok.
A pea facial maybe?
Keep yukking it up.

300 million kids around the world are going to bed hungry tonight, and tomorrow some of them will need to grind out 10 more hours of their soul to craft you a pair of Nike Air Monarch IVs.

Keep continuing to be oblivious by being shamelessly decadent and self-indulgent, after all it is an excellent witness to the Christian faith.

Stop generalizing. I don't wear Nikes. Why are you hostile?
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I really don't feel like it is a profitable use of time and money to research where every consumer item I might buy comes from and where the raw materials for each of those products comes from. Call me lazy, but that isn't my idea of a slammin' fun Friday night.
I made an entire can of peas but don't want to eat the last 40%. If I throw them out it is wasting food. But if I put them in the fridge it means using energy to cool them, and then more energy to reheat them, etc. What a quandary...
Throw it outside, something will eat it.

What if that attracts critters, who then bite a small child, who gets a disease or infection, and dies? All because I didn't want to eat a few spoonfuls of peas?  Sad

smear them on yourself instead wearing those evil sweatshop clothes....

This might work for me, but I'm not sure how my neighbors would react. Meh, they never seem to mind when I go out in my boxer-briefs for the mail, so they should be ok.
A pea facial maybe?
Keep yukking it up.

300 million kids around the world are going to bed hungry tonight, and tomorrow some of them will need to grind out 10 more hours of their soul to craft you a pair of Nike Air Monarch IVs.

Keep continuing to be oblivious by being shamelessly decadent and self-indulgent, after all it is an excellent witness to the Christian faith.

Stop generalizing. I don't wear Nikes. Why are you hostile?

Shiny's just picking up where he left off.
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I really don't feel like it is a profitable use of time and money to research where every consumer item I might buy comes from and where the raw materials for each of those products comes from. Call me lazy, but that isn't my idea of a slammin' fun Friday night.
I made an entire can of peas but don't want to eat the last 40%. If I throw them out it is wasting food. But if I put them in the fridge it means using energy to cool them, and then more energy to reheat them, etc. What a quandary...
Throw it outside, something will eat it.

What if that attracts critters, who then bite a small child, who gets a disease or infection, and dies? All because I didn't want to eat a few spoonfuls of peas?  Sad

smear them on yourself instead wearing those evil sweatshop clothes....

This might work for me, but I'm not sure how my neighbors would react. Meh, they never seem to mind when I go out in my boxer-briefs for the mail, so they should be ok.
A pea facial maybe?
Keep yukking it up.

300 million kids around the world are going to bed hungry tonight, and tomorrow some of them will need to grind out 10 more hours of their soul to craft you a pair of Nike Air Monarch IVs.

Keep continuing to be oblivious by being shamelessly decadent and self-indulgent, after all it is an excellent witness to the Christian faith.

Stop generalizing. I don't wear Nikes. Why are you hostile?

Shiny's just picking up where he left off.

Oh I hope so!
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Let us commemorate Shiny and his ascetic ways.

I dunno I liked how rappers back in the 80s had a pirate theme going wearing Pirates hats or Raiders stuff whatever. But then you have stuff like pirate radio, broadcasting underground stuff.

I saw a guy on the street recently wearing a Raiders jacket and Hornets snapback. It was amazing. Straight up 90s.

I like the retro Starter jackets a lot and the Mitchell and Ness snapbacks.

Normally I just wear Nike sweats and whatever I have in my closet. Nike Air Maxes or Jordan's. Really if retro Js were cheaper id wear then a lot more.

385 for retro J 3 with Nike Air on the back? No thanks.
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Keep yukking it up.

300 million kids around the world are going to bed hungry tonight, and tomorrow some of them will need to grind out 10 more hours of their soul to craft you a pair of Nike Air Monarch IVs.

Keep continuing to be oblivious by being shamelessly decadent and self-indulgent, after all it is an excellent witness to the Christian faith.

We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.

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Keep yukking it up.

300 million kids around the world are going to bed hungry tonight, and tomorrow some of them will need to grind out 10 more hours of their soul to craft you a pair of Nike Air Monarch IVs.

Keep continuing to be oblivious by being shamelessly decadent and self-indulgent, after all it is an excellent witness to the Christian faith.

We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.

Punch is a most interesting enigma. Sometimes I think: Gee that was super insightful and a great perspective. Other times I think: Holy crap, that guy is insane, I hope he never finds out where I live.   Tongue
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Keep yukking it up.

300 million kids around the world are going to bed hungry tonight, and tomorrow some of them will need to grind out 10 more hours of their soul to craft you a pair of Nike Air Monarch IVs.

Keep continuing to be oblivious by being shamelessly decadent and self-indulgent, after all it is an excellent witness to the Christian faith.

We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.

Punch is a most interesting enigma. Sometimes I think: Gee that was super insightful and a great perspective. Other times I think: Holy crap, that guy is insane, I hope he never finds out where I live.   Tongue

That's why we love him.
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Keep yukking it up.

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We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.

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« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2014, 05:29:50 PM »

We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.
That is already an untenable solution and further you assume two things, this would end suffering and you haven't been dehumanized yourself. The growing modern corporate-techocapitalism that is simply the most dominating, out of control ideological force in history simultaneously dehumanizes and represses.

Your nukes are the very product of this calculable dehumanizing process in virtue of technology.
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Outside of shoes, I haven't purchased new clothes in years.

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Outside of shoes, I haven't purchased new clothes in years.

I guess this is a kind of poor humblebrag.

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We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.
That is already an untenable solution and further you assume two things, this would end suffering and you haven't been dehumanized yourself. The growing modern corporate-techocapitalism that is simply the most dominating, out of control ideological force in history simultaneously dehumanizes and represses.

Your nukes are the very product of this calculable dehumanizing process in virtue of technology.
With all this moralizing, you don't seem to meet the definition of amoral, opportunistic, antisocial, sadistic, machiavellian, misanthropic, pessimistic, narcissistic, psychopathic, sociopathic, jaded, opulent self-absorbed navel-gazing.  Perhaps there is hope for you yet.  Wink
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« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2014, 08:31:56 PM »

We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.
That is already an untenable solution and further you assume two things, this would end suffering and you haven't been dehumanized yourself. The growing modern corporate-techocapitalism that is simply the most dominating, out of control ideological force in history simultaneously dehumanizes and represses.

Your nukes are the very product of this calculable dehumanizing process in virtue of technology.
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We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.
That is already an untenable solution and further you assume two things, this would end suffering and you haven't been dehumanized yourself. The growing modern corporate-techocapitalism that is simply the most dominating, out of control ideological force in history simultaneously dehumanizes and represses.

Your nukes are the very product of this calculable dehumanizing process in virtue of technology.

First point - no, it would not end suffering.  It would only end the suffering for however many million that we killed.  If we could up that to a couple of billion, that would end a lot of suffering, but not all of it.  As to dehumanizing, you make it sound like being a human is a good thing.  Personally I think that rats have us beat.  To be honest, I don't think that there are many things more disgusting than humans.  The beauty of this from a moral perspective is that no matter how many millions that you kill, you are still alive to be forgiven.  However, if you simply kill yourself and spare the rest of the world, then you cannot be forgiven.  What a dilemma that religion has created.  Figure out the age of reason.  Baptize all of the poor and starving under that age and then kill them.  Instant Salvation for millions!  Next, kill all those that want to be martyrs.  Instant salvation for more millions (although a my guess would be that most of them would chicken out when the found out that one was all too willing to grant their wish).  If you could grant instant Salvation to that many people, you could become the second most holy person to walk the earth.  Only Jesus would be greater.  You would have saved more people than any apostle, any evangelist, any Church Father, any Pope, any priest, and you would only violate one commandment doing it. Since no body other than Jesus is perfect, all of the former have violated at least one commandment, too.  Yet, have they done so much good doing so? 

Perhaps I should stop thinking about this.  It is starting to sound to good to be true.  Maybe you are right and it is untenable.   

Second point -  you say that as though I should care.  I don't.
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« Reply #64 on: June 27, 2014, 01:27:36 PM »

We could nuke them, which would end their suffering in milliseconds. Oh, but we are all about life, so we feed them just enough so that they can breed more starving children and increase the misery in the world.  If we baptized the children and then killed them, they would go to heaven wouldn't they?  Would you be showing love by ending their suffering and sending them to heaven, or would you be a monster because you did not let them suffer longer and die in pain and agony?  Sorry, just the old Nazi in me from my youth coming through.  I wish that there were not times that it made more sense than religion.
That is already an untenable solution and further you assume two things, this would end suffering and you haven't been dehumanized yourself. The growing modern corporate-techocapitalism that is simply the most dominating, out of control ideological force in history simultaneously dehumanizes and represses.

Your nukes are the very product of this calculable dehumanizing process in virtue of technology.

First point - no, it would not end suffering.  It would only end the suffering for however many million that we killed.  If we could up that to a couple of billion, that would end a lot of suffering, but not all of it.  As to dehumanizing, you make it sound like being a human is a good thing.  Personally I think that rats have us beat.  To be honest, I don't think that there are many things more disgusting than humans.  The beauty of this from a moral perspective is that no matter how many millions that you kill, you are still alive to be forgiven.  However, if you simply kill yourself and spare the rest of the world, then you cannot be forgiven.  What a dilemma that religion has created.  Figure out the age of reason.  Baptize all of the poor and starving under that age and then kill them.  Instant Salvation for millions!  Next, kill all those that want to be martyrs.  Instant salvation for more millions (although a my guess would be that most of them would chicken out when the found out that one was all too willing to grant their wish).  If you could grant instant Salvation to that many people, you could become the second most holy person to walk the earth.  Only Jesus would be greater.  You would have saved more people than any apostle, any evangelist, any Church Father, any Pope, any priest, and you would only violate one commandment doing it. Since no body other than Jesus is perfect, all of the former have violated at least one commandment, too.  Yet, have they done so much good doing so? 

Perhaps I should stop thinking about this.  It is starting to sound to good to be true.  Maybe you are right and it is untenable.   

Second point -  you say that as though I should care.  I don't.

I suspect Christ disapproves when we try to game his system.
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I suspect Christ disapproves when we try to game his system.

I agree with you . . . in sooooo many ways.  There are many who think that religion is nothing other than man attempting to game God's system.
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« Reply #66 on: June 27, 2014, 01:42:52 PM »

I suspect Christ disapproves when we try to game his system.

I agree with you . . . in sooooo many ways.  There are many who think that religion is nothing other than man attempting to game God's system.

Seems like a pretty prideful attitude to me, thinking you can game him into judging a certain way.
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I suspect Christ disapproves when we try to game his system.

I agree with you . . . in sooooo many ways.  There are many who think that religion is nothing other than man attempting to game God's system.

Seems like a pretty prideful attitude to me, thinking you can game him into judging a certain way.


It is worse than that.  It is just plain stupid thinking that you can game God.
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I suspect Christ disapproves when we try to game his system.

I agree with you . . . in sooooo many ways.  There are many who think that religion is nothing other than man attempting to game God's system.

Seems like a pretty prideful attitude to me, thinking you can game him into judging a certain way.


It is worse than that.  It is just plain stupid thinking that you can game God.

Good point.
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« Reply #69 on: June 27, 2014, 03:01:13 PM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.

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I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



That is better than a classmate in one of my classes. I called her to discuss one of the lectures, and she was not in. However, her answering machine had a recorded message, "Come on over later when I have nothing on but the radio."
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I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Better keep your coat on at all times.
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I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.

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I do hope elephant has a long coat.
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I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Better keep your coat on at all times.

Perhaps she was referring to a "house coat" or "duster".
It is a garment typically worn in a mental institution or skilled nursing facility by patients.
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I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

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I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.

Did you try any German web sites.  After all, I think that they created Rule 34.
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I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.

Did you try any German web sites.  After all, I think that they created Rule 34.

I didn't have great luck finding an elephant in a sparkly bra and shoes either.....so must just be -reloading- the rule 34 content atm
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I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked
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« Reply #81 on: June 27, 2014, 07:57:43 PM »

Fortunately, my mother still picks out and buys my clothing, and when she passes away someday, I was just planning on having my younger sister take over that job for me, so I've never had to think much about this  Wink

However, now that I think about it, the thought of buying clothing that supports an evil, exploitive industry sounds pretty bad. On the other hand though, I don't see how my not buying their products is really going to put a stop to it. At least if I purchase it, their work won't be in vain. I'd rather try to improve labour conditions for these people instead of just sitting idly by.
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I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.
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I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.
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I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
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I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
I feel you, brother. Blessed are those whose innocence has not been seized from them by elephant porn.
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This thread went from sweat shops to elephant porn.  I'm so confused.
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« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2014, 06:50:42 AM »

I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.

Did you try any German web sites.  After all, I think that they created Rule 34.

I didn't have great luck finding an elephant in a sparkly bra and shoes either.....so must just be -reloading- the rule 34 content atm

I'm sure ZealousZeal could oblige, with her 'shopping prowess.  laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2014, 07:57:10 AM »

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
I feel you, brother. Blessed are those whose innocence has not been seized from them by elephant porn.

I said "elephant flasher" not generic elephant porn.  Geez, I would have figured that would have been out there on the discovery channel if nothing else. 
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« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2014, 10:14:57 AM »

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
I feel you, brother. Blessed are those whose innocence has not been seized from them by elephant porn.

I said "elephant flasher" not generic elephant porn.  Geez, I would have figured that would have been out there on the discovery channel if nothing else. 
Sometimes, you have to wade through the elephant dung to find the bauble you were searching for.
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« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2014, 12:46:27 AM »

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
I feel you, brother. Blessed are those whose innocence has not been seized from them by elephant porn.

I said "elephant flasher" not generic elephant porn.  Geez, I would have figured that would have been out there on the discovery channel if nothing else. 
Sometimes, you have to wade through the elephant dung to find the bauble you were searching for.

If an elephant ate your bauble, you deserve to wade through dung.
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« Reply #91 on: June 29, 2014, 12:50:50 AM »

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

That's dedication.  Like "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" dedication.

The only thing that suffered violence was my eyes and psyche.
I feel you, brother. Blessed are those whose innocence has not been seized from them by elephant porn.

I said "elephant flasher" not generic elephant porn.  Geez, I would have figured that would have been out there on the discovery channel if nothing else. 
Sometimes, you have to wade through the elephant dung to find the bauble you were searching for.

If an elephant ate your bauble, you deserve to wade through dung.

Such an inspiring post!  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2014, 12:52:57 AM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

I can just imagine my fifth-grade teacher (a nun) saying:

"Now, Punch, why would you do that?

Must have been the devil that tempted you. Lord have mercy.

Next time, listen to your Guardian Angel on your shoulder!"
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« Reply #93 on: June 29, 2014, 02:07:25 PM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

I can just imagine my fifth-grade teacher (a nun) saying:

"Now, Punch, why would you do that?

Must have been the devil that tempted you. Lord have mercy.

Next time, listen to your Guardian Angel on your shoulder!"

You are so right.  He was telling me to use "elephant flasher" instead of "elephant porn". It may have spared me much trauma if I just would have listened.
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« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2014, 10:48:56 PM »

I avoid some stuff where I can....but honestly that's mostly driven by allergy related reasons.


Denise, really needing a plastic allergen free bubble to live in...

I sympathize with you.

I am making almost all of my clothing now, except bras, shoes, socks, and coats.

But that's all I wear! Unless you count nail polish.



Miss Elephant,

I am now imagining you dressed in fabulous outfits of glittery bras, shoes and a lovely velvet coat.

Please never tell me this is incorrect.



I tired to find an image of an elephant flasher.  Rule 34 failed me.
A. I found it
B. I am horrifically scarred by what I had to go through to find it
C. I'm not posting it.

At least we know that Rule 34 is still intact, but oh the things I have seen.  Shocked

I was at work reading this thread. So, I used my phone to set up a hotspot to bypass the NetNazis, logged on with my tablet (my property), set my browser to "private" and Google "Elephant Porn". I think that it will be days before I stop puking.

I can just imagine my fifth-grade teacher (a nun) saying:

"Now, Punch, why would you do that?

Must have been the devil that tempted you. Lord have mercy.

Next time, listen to your Guardian Angel on your shoulder!"

You are so right.  He was telling me to use "elephant flasher" instead of "elephant porn". It may have spared me much trauma if I just would have listened.

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« Reply #95 on: June 30, 2014, 12:19:43 AM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.
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« Reply #96 on: June 30, 2014, 12:46:33 AM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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Once my wife and I sponsored a child from one of the mega old school TV sponsorship things (not said in boast at all). He was in South America.  Came to find out, Nike had a huge plant there and paid all the people .11 cents per hour.  So while Nike was making a fortune, his family could not even afford to raise him.  His parents both worked there and he could not go to school.

My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.


Hey, I might be interested in buying this kind of material. At least, this would not be from Chinese sweat labor - prison slave labor factories that now produce most of the fabric used to make clothes worldwide with the exception of the Indian-Pakistani mills.
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« Reply #97 on: June 30, 2014, 09:09:58 AM »

I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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Once my wife and I sponsored a child from one of the mega old school TV sponsorship things (not said in boast at all). He was in South America.  Came to find out, Nike had a huge plant there and paid all the people .11 cents per hour.  So while Nike was making a fortune, his family could not even afford to raise him.  His parents both worked there and he could not go to school.

My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving with child labor.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.
Fixed it for you.  Wink
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I've always found the irony.

Go to church singing "Lord have mercy!" when I sat in clothes made from a little kid over seas who works in horrible conditions.

Corporate trade brings sinful blindness, so it seems.

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Once my wife and I sponsored a child from one of the mega old school TV sponsorship things (not said in boast at all). He was in South America.  Came to find out, Nike had a huge plant there and paid all the people .11 cents per hour.  So while Nike was making a fortune, his family could not even afford to raise him.  His parents both worked there and he could not go to school.

My $20 a month, or a pair of $250 Jordan's....

It is twisted beyond logic.


May I suggest that unless your wife weaves the fabric she makes your family's clothes from, that its pretty much Pot-Kettle-Black to be all finger pointy at others.

Fabric itself is just as bad as finished products.



She does not weave it.  We buy it from weavers in Pennsylvania who go from the ground up - cotton - spinning - dyeing - weaving.  But with that said, I wasn't correcting you or anybody else.  I was merely stating the irony.

Interesting. Without advertising on the Internet, we would have no way of knowing about these USA made materials.
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« Reply #99 on: July 04, 2014, 04:31:28 PM »

A pea facial maybe?

That looks better than it sounds when read aloud.

LOL. I did not get your meaning until I read it aloud.
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The issue is an interesting parallel to what most of us often miss, which in turn includes most of our own sins.
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The issue is an interesting parallel to what most of us often miss, which in turn includes most of our own sins.

Shhhh. This is OC.net, do you want to start to encourage people to go to Confession, or something?   Wink
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« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2014, 09:12:06 PM »

Everytime I purchase clothing, I assume that it is made in a sweat shop. I don't have enough money or time to research where or how to buy fair wage clothing, organic dishwashing detergent, anti-abortion toilets, pro-pacifist cell phones and whatever the heck else the cause-of-the-week might be.

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« Reply #103 on: July 04, 2014, 09:26:33 PM »

To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

So far, I wouldn't. But that's not the right answer, I think.
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« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2014, 09:32:35 PM »

To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.
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To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.
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To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.

Post 16 was an attempt to show that the conditions in much of the third world are so bad that working in a sweatshop would be regarded by many of those in that situation as a major step up in life.  As a History major, he has had the opportunity to study many of the small, un-noticed by ignorant full bellied Americans, wars in Africa where children as young as 10 years old are carrying rifles to fight for their warlord, and girls no older are being passed around the campfire for entertainment - often raped to death.  Many of these African children would kill to be able to work in an Asian sweatshop making your clothing.  THAT was the intent of post 16, not justifying sweatshops for which there is no justification.  If you get another 90 minutes of free time, look up some articles on the Liberian civil war. 
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To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.

Post 16 was an attempt to show that the conditions in much of the third world are so bad that working in a sweatshop would be regarded by many of those in that situation as a major step up in life.  As a History major, he has had the opportunity to study many of the small, un-noticed by ignorant full bellied Americans, wars in Africa where children as young as 10 years old are carrying rifles to fight for their warlord, and girls no older are being passed around the campfire for entertainment - often raped to death.  Many of these African children would kill to be able to work in an Asian sweatshop making your clothing.  THAT was the intent of post 16, not justifying sweatshops for which there is no justification.  If you get another 90 minutes of free time, look up some articles on the Liberian civil war. 

You are being overly presumptuous and I cannot figure out why. I did not need 90 min to learn or write about sweatshops, I would have introduced the depletion and pollution of the Bangladesh water supply due to the dyeing of fabrics.  Nor do I need 90 min to learn about Liberia or Mozambique or whatever, I have been and continue to be a current events junkie. Based on what I knew about the languages spoken in the Indian subcontinent, I was interested in a very specific statement:
"How would a third world sweatshop kid know how to spell "degrading"?"
That was the entirety of my inquiry. I hope this is now clear.
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To the OP: Would you try to do something about it besides boycotting if you knew?

Besides boycotting brands that are known to use slave or cheap labor, education is very important in order to get people aware of the issues.

That is why I started this thread.

It is a worthwhile topic Maria. I just spent about 90 minutes trying to find a justification to post 16 (by vamrat). It appears to be without merit and more likely is specious. I might get to post 20 by the end of the evening.

Post 16 was an attempt to show that the conditions in much of the third world are so bad that working in a sweatshop would be regarded by many of those in that situation as a major step up in life.  As a History major, he has had the opportunity to study many of the small, un-noticed by ignorant full bellied Americans, wars in Africa where children as young as 10 years old are carrying rifles to fight for their warlord, and girls no older are being passed around the campfire for entertainment - often raped to death.  Many of these African children would kill to be able to work in an Asian sweatshop making your clothing.  THAT was the intent of post 16, not justifying sweatshops for which there is no justification.  If you get another 90 minutes of free time, look up some articles on the Liberian civil war. 

You are being overly presumptuous and I cannot figure out why. I did not need 90 min to learn or write about sweatshops, I would have introduced the depletion and pollution of the Bangladesh water supply due to the dyeing of fabrics.  Nor do I need 90 min to learn about Liberia or Mozambique or whatever, I have been and continue to be a current events junkie. Based on what I knew about the languages spoken in the Indian subcontinent, I was interested in a very specific statement:
"How would a third world sweatshop kid know how to spell "degrading"?"
That was the entirety of my inquiry. I hope this is now clear.

No, given that the OP was discussing a factory disaster in Bangladesh where 50% of the population is illiterate and only 18% even speak English, making it highly unlikely that someone in a sweatshop would know how to spell "degrading".
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No, given that the OP was discussing a factory disaster in Bangladesh where 50% of the population is illiterate and only 18% even speak English, making it highly unlikely that someone in a sweatshop would know how to spell "degrading".

This very objection that someone possibly from England might have carefully printed the label and attached it to the clothing either before or after purchase was raised by the link provided in the OP. How would they prove this assumption?

Careful forensics would be needed to study the label in order to determine pollen content (country of origin).
* If the tape on which the message was embroidered were to be determined to have come from that factory, then that evidence would be damning.
* On the other hand, with world trade, that plain white tape might have been manufactured in China for import to Bangladesh, as the Chinese have their own slave labor camps. China has been known for using political prisoners in their sweat shops.

The embroidery thread used also needs to be studied.
* Where was it originally made?
* Was there any DNA tissue on it or small blood stains from a needle puncture that could determine the ethnicity of the seamstress or tailor?

On the one hand, there are many opportunities that unscrupulous people could use.

On the other hand, perhaps a supervisor at the sweat shop added the label in a silent cry for help.

Examine the purchaser. Was this tape or garment worn or washed by the purchaser?
* If so, use of water, detergent or dry cleaning fluids could have contaminated any evidence.
* If these garments were dry cleaned, perhaps an employee of the dry cleaner shop could have added the label.

Notice that the garment label was not immediately discovered by the purchasers, who apparently kept these garments in their possession for almost a year. However, I have known some women who have purchased a garment, put it away in their closets, and then have all together forgotten about it, so it might not have been worn at all.




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« Reply #110 on: July 05, 2014, 10:33:03 PM »

Speaking of labels, have you seen this one:

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Notice that the garment label was not immediately discovered by the purchasers, who apparently kept these garments in their possession for almost a year. However, I have known some women who have purchased a garment, put it away in their closets, and then have all together forgotten about it, so it might not have been worn at all.

This is the most suspicious.  I have never known any woman (or man as far as that goes) that purchases a garment, even if they do not intend to wear it right away, without looking at the label to see 1) if the size matches the tag, and 2) what the materials are and possibly 3) laundry instructions.
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« Reply #112 on: July 05, 2014, 10:40:35 PM »

Notice that the garment label was not immediately discovered by the purchasers, who apparently kept these garments in their possession for almost a year. However, I have known some women who have purchased a garment, put it away in their closets, and then have all together forgotten about it, so it might not have been worn at all.

This is the most suspicious.  I have never known any woman (or man as far as that goes) that purchases a garment, even if they do not intend to wear it right away, without looking at the label to see 1) if the size matches the tag, and 2) what the materials are and possibly 3) laundry instructions.

I do read labels for care instructions BEFORE purchasing anything and I have found errors in them (see my post immediately above).  For example, while the price tag may contain an advertisement claiming that the product is 100% cotton and made in the USA, the garment label may say that the garment was made in the USA from imported material.
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« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2014, 05:50:25 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.
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« Reply #114 on: July 07, 2014, 06:00:02 PM »

I am a millenial, and naturally a child of all of the social movements that the twenty-first century has seen, particularly the environmental movement. So I support sustainable living, renewable energy, bioconservatism, food justice, food sovereignty, et cetera. Cheesy I try to avoid purchasing clothing that may have dubious origins. Though, you never know with ready-to-wear stuff and your mid-price range labels in this day and age.  Smiley Even Benetton, the Children's Place  Shocked, and Mango had their hands in the 2013 Savar building collapse.
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« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2014, 06:13:30 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.
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« Reply #116 on: July 07, 2014, 06:29:02 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.
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« Reply #117 on: July 07, 2014, 07:13:53 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

Not just hermits...no one gave me a riassa. 
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« Reply #118 on: July 07, 2014, 07:16:08 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

Not just hermits...no one gave me a riassa. 

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« Reply #119 on: July 07, 2014, 07:28:34 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.


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« Reply #120 on: July 07, 2014, 07:37:12 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




you shouldn't be working outside of the home anyway
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« Reply #121 on: July 07, 2014, 07:41:58 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




you shouldn't be working outside of the home anyway


Fair point...alas. I obviously have terrified every male on the planet into running away.   Leaving me to accept destitution or work. 

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« Reply #122 on: July 07, 2014, 08:12:38 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

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Looks like he is wearing a pair of grocery bags!

Were they also made in a sweatshop?
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« Reply #123 on: July 07, 2014, 08:31:41 PM »

Wearing clothes to enhance our looks is also a type of sin, we are trying to make ourselves look good, which we are not.

Nudism it is, then.

Yes, the least expensive option would be nudism, and some hermits have no choice when their clothes literally fall off them unless someone were to gift a raissa.

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Looks like he is wearing a pair of grocery bags!

Were they also made in a sweatshop?

Doubt it but they probably contained some GMO groceries.
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« Reply #124 on: July 07, 2014, 08:48:42 PM »

And killed off some endangered tropical trees, no doubt. 

Homer needs to repent.
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« Reply #125 on: July 07, 2014, 08:50:31 PM »

I would throw away that thing for a new riassa, but I have no donors.  So it's literally that or nothing.
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« Reply #126 on: July 07, 2014, 09:17:03 PM »

I would throw away that thing for a new riassa, but I have no donors.  So it's literally that or nothing.

There are some monasteries who make riassas for $100. How they can afford that price beats me.
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« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2014, 09:35:49 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




I threatened to come to work in a trench coat and a thong once.  The guards, after a moment of shocked and disgusted silence, told me that would be the design basis threat (the maximum threat that our security force is trained to handle).  For a while, my "radio call sign" was DBT-1.
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« Reply #128 on: July 07, 2014, 10:22:41 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




I threatened to come to work in a trench coat and a thong once.  The guards, after a moment of shocked and disgusted silence, told me that would be the design basis threat (the maximum threat that our security force is trained to handle).  For a while, my "radio call sign" was DBT-1.

Now why would you risk your job by doing something like that?
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« Reply #129 on: July 07, 2014, 11:18:49 PM »

Certainly warm enough for nudity today, however rendering an entire building of coworkers mute before they find a way to poke their eyes out, would likely impact my employment status.




I threatened to come to work in a trench coat and a thong once.  The guards, after a moment of shocked and disgusted silence, told me that would be the design basis threat (the maximum threat that our security force is trained to handle).  For a while, my "radio call sign" was DBT-1.

Now why would you risk your job by doing something like that?

The usual security mess at work.  One day, you need to take off your coat before you go through the metal detector.  The next day, you don't.  Then the day after that, you need to take off both your coat and your hat.  That is when I told them that if they keep that stuff up, I was going to come in wearing nothing but a thong under my coat.  Remarkably, there were not too many changes after that.
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I would throw away that thing for a new riassa, but I have no donors.  So it's literally that or nothing.

There are some monasteries who make riassas for $100. How they can afford that price beats me.
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« Reply #131 on: July 08, 2014, 11:47:36 AM »


Here I am dressed for work.  For $100 I will add a coat.   

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« Reply #132 on: July 08, 2014, 12:04:24 PM »

What kind of strip joint is this?  Elephants in tutus and nothing else?
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« Reply #133 on: July 08, 2014, 01:17:54 PM »

Before I buy an article of clothing, I first look at the tag to determine the country of origin.  I then conduct extensive research into the brand to determine where exactly the factory or factories are located.  I then purchase plane tickets and fly personally to each factory where I conduct hours of interviews with the workers and managers of these factories.  I ask about the working conditions, whether the staff are paid, if so how much, whether the staff are there against their will, what would they do differently if they had a choice, whether they are able to survive now, whether they would do better for themselves with another job, whether there are better job prospects in the area, whether the managers are friendly, etc.  I connect my translator and the workers to polygraph machines to verify that the workers and my translator are telling me the truth.  If I determine that the money I spend on that article of clothing would be helpful rather than detrimental to these people, I then arrange interviews with the company management and owners to see how they would profit from my purchase.  I would ask to see their bank and credit card statements to find out how they spend their money, whether they give to the poor, whether they fairly share their profits with their workers, and whether they do anything sinful with their money.  If everything checks out there, I examine their methods of manufacturing and distribution and develop complex models compare the carbon footprints and pollutant contributions to the air, water, and soil if I were to make this purchase.  If that looks good, I fly home and purchase the article of clothing.  As a result of this rigorous process, I have yet to purchase an article of clothing.

Seriously, though, I think this issue is a complex one that will always stir up debate.  Conditions may be worse and pay lower in another country, for example, but perhaps the pennies in the hands of the poor in China are more helpful to them than the dollars in the hands of the poor American who struggles to pay their smartphone and cable bill every month but otherwise eats pretty well.  Who can say for sure? 


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I, Sir, am a professional!  Please note the flat shoes!  This is very economical, environmental, conscientious attire.  And quite attractive as well.  
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Before I buy an article of clothing, I first look at the tag to determine the country of origin.  I then conduct extensive research into the brand to determine where exactly the factory or factories are located.  I then purchase plane tickets and fly personally to each factory where I conduct hours of interviews with the workers and managers of these factories.  I ask about the working conditions, whether the staff are paid, if so how much, whether the staff are there against their will, what would they do differently if they had a choice, whether they are able to survive now, whether they would do better for themselves with another job, whether there are better job prospects in the area, whether the managers are friendly, etc.  I connect my translator and the workers to polygraph machines to verify that the workers and my translator are telling me the truth.  If I determine that the money I spend on that article of clothing would be helpful rather than detrimental to these people, I then arrange interviews with the company management and owners to see how they would profit from my purchase.  I would ask to see their bank and credit card statements to find out how they spend their money, whether they give to the poor, whether they fairly share their profits with their workers, and whether they do anything sinful with their money.  If everything checks out there, I examine their methods of manufacturing and distribution and develop complex models compare the carbon footprints and pollutant contributions to the air, water, and soil if I were to make this purchase.  If that looks good, I fly home and purchase the article of clothing.  As a result of this rigorous process, I have yet to purchase an article of clothing.

Seriously, though, I think this issue is a complex one that will always stir up debate.  Conditions may be worse and pay lower in another country, for example, but perhaps the pennies in the hands of the poor in China are more helpful to them than the dollars in the hands of the poor American who struggles to pay their smartphone and cable bill every month but otherwise eats pretty well.  Who can say for sure? 

What is this?  Flying on airplanes? I hope you have carefully investigated the companies that build them as well as the ones who provided the raw materials.
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I buy "Made in the USA" as much as possible. I sew my own clothing, or sometimes whatever I find in thrift stores (vintage clothes, and not shoes). Vintage clothing usually is made in USA.  There are shoes made in the USA,  keep checking.  Last time I checked, New Balance is made in the USA.  I have shoes in my closet that are older than most of you here on the forum.   Grin
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« Reply #137 on: August 24, 2014, 06:29:08 PM »

I buy "Made in the USA" as much as possible. I sew my own clothing, or sometimes whatever I find in thrift stores (vintage clothes, and not shoes). Vintage clothing usually is made in USA.  There are shoes made in the USA,  keep checking.  Last time I checked, New Balance is made in the USA.  I have shoes in my closet that are older than most of you here on the forum.   Grin

I have seen sweatshops in the USA.
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« Reply #138 on: August 24, 2014, 07:09:28 PM »

I buy "Made in the USA" as much as possible. I sew my own clothing, or sometimes whatever I find in thrift stores (vintage clothes, and not shoes). Vintage clothing usually is made in USA.  There are shoes made in the USA,  keep checking.  Last time I checked, New Balance is made in the USA.  I have shoes in my closet that are older than most of you here on the forum.   Grin

I have seen sweatshops in the USA.

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