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« on: June 22, 2014, 05:45:17 AM »

Hi, Its time for me to take a break and leave this forum for awhile.

Thanks for help answering my questions.

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 06:04:35 AM »

This forum is full of negativity... I dunno why the Mods lead it and leave it in that direction..
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2014, 06:33:11 AM »

The forum also has to be free; you definitely don't want to lose that. What bothers me is when threads divert into arguments, but that's also an expression of freedom.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2014, 06:36:57 AM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2014, 06:43:21 AM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

I agree. Yet, that's really a symptom of a spiritual illness, of our bad and alarming general condition nowadays. It's not necessarily something condemnable or the fault of the forum. Not much can be done through correction; we are dealing with the lack of various things rather with the actual presence of something bad.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2014, 06:47:41 AM »

screw this I am packing also.. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2014, 07:20:06 AM »

Farewell and good luck.  Come back when you're ready, I'm sure OC.net will still be around.  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2014, 09:34:14 AM »

All forums are like this, especially religious ones. But disagreement is healthy for discourse in a discussion to get to the truth.

I don't know what people want sometimes, maybe a bunch of "ditto-heads" just sitting back in noddingly approval.

You would have to be almost brain-dead to hang out in a place like that.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2014, 10:33:40 AM »

I've had to take breaks from OC.net, too, for similar reasons. But there are some great discussions had here - sometimes even spiritually helpful ones (these are like diamonds in the rough! Wink).

But I agree with IoanC about freedom. I have had my relevant (and I thought rather illuminating) comments shaved right out of a discussion, along with others', so that the entire shape of the discussion was changed to suit the forum owner's opinions before. I won't say any names... it is an Orthodox forum site that starts with M.  Smiley

I prefer OC.net. But yeah... I hear ya. Some great peeps hang out here, though!

All the best!
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2014, 11:04:56 AM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

This is what happens when the focus of one's religion becomes the practice of rituals, fasts, ceremonies, correctness of art and music and the like.  It is re-establishing the old Law which brought nothing but death and destruction.  Christ is the opposite of this.  The new rituals that He wishes us to perform are to help those around us, love each other, bring the Word of God to those who do not have it (and it helps if it is in their own language).  These are not negative things, but positives.  Yes, they can bring sadness.  When you get out in the world and start helping people, you see how fallen the world really is, and the pain that mankind suffers as a result.  But this sadness for these people IS the love of God, provided that you follow the commands of Christ and feed those that are hungry, clothe those that are naked, and visit those that are sick and in prison.  It is too bad that we come to an Orthodox forum to read "look at me fast", "should I masturbate", "can I have sex with my wife", "what new rules can I encumber my conscience with", "is it OK to be gay" thread rather than "how can I help".  WPM tried such a thread yesterday.  I had planned on answering it this morning and spent some of the evening looking for some places that he could put his money that would help him follow the will of Christ.  I think that he was asking more than just the obvious, however. Maybe he just should have asked if he should masturbate.  He would have had four pages of answers in 24 hours.
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2014, 01:04:11 PM »

Punch, I know you're not saying non-Orthodox religious forums tend to be any better.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2014, 01:18:02 PM »

Punch, I know you're not saying non-Orthodox religious forums tend to be any better.

No.  I could not say that because I am on no other religious forums regularly than this one.  Religion disgusts me enough as it is without looking for reasons to be disgusted.  But I will say that I am on a lot of non-religious forums that are.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2014, 01:18:44 PM »

I've had to take breaks from OC.net, too, for similar reasons. But there are some great discussions had here - sometimes even spiritually helpful ones (these are like diamonds in the rough! Wink).

But I agree with IoanC about freedom. I have had my relevant (and I thought rather illuminating) comments shaved right out of a discussion, along with others', so that the entire shape of the discussion was changed to suit the forum owner's opinions before. I won't say any names... it is an Orthodox forum site that starts with M.  Smiley

I prefer OC.net. But yeah... I hear ya. Some great peeps hang out here, though!

All the best!

Yes, I stay away from the "M" forum too. Some weird mods there.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2014, 01:35:06 PM »

Punch, I know you're not saying non-Orthodox religious forums tend to be any better.

No.  I could not say that because I am on no other religious forums regularly than this one.  Religion disgusts me enough as it is without looking for reasons to be disgusted.  But I will say that I am on a lot of non-religious forums that are.

I guess what I meant is that the Orthodox concern for ritual you mentioned hasn't, as I see it, made their forums more malodorous than, say, your average fundamentalist Protestant forum. In fact, I've found the latter a lot worse than here.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2014, 03:16:30 PM »

Punch, I know you're not saying non-Orthodox religious forums tend to be any better.

No.  I could not say that because I am on no other religious forums regularly than this one.  Religion disgusts me enough as it is without looking for reasons to be disgusted.  But I will say that I am on a lot of non-religious forums that are.

I guess what I meant is that the Orthodox concern for ritual you mentioned hasn't, as I see it, made their forums more malodorous than, say, your average fundamentalist Protestant forum. In fact, I've found the latter a lot worse than here.

That may well be. However, I am not Protestant, so I really do not care what they do on their forums.
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2014, 04:00:10 PM »

This forum is full of negativity... I dunno why the Mods lead it and leave it in that direction..

I'm sorry, who exactly is the cause of negativity?

If you don't want to be here, then good riddance.  Please don't grace us with your multiple user names and plead your way back here promising to behave like an adult.

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2014, 04:04:07 PM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

This is what happens when the focus of one's religion becomes the practice of rituals, fasts, ceremonies, correctness of art and music and the like.  It is re-establishing the old Law which brought nothing but death and destruction.  Christ is the opposite of this.  The new rituals that He wishes us to perform are to help those around us, love each other, bring the Word of God to those who do not have it (and it helps if it is in their own language).  These are not negative things, but positives.  Yes, they can bring sadness.  When you get out in the world and start helping people, you see how fallen the world really is, and the pain that mankind suffers as a result.  But this sadness for these people IS the love of God, provided that you follow the commands of Christ and feed those that are hungry, clothe those that are naked, and visit those that are sick and in prison.  It is too bad that we come to an Orthodox forum to read "look at me fast", "should I masturbate", "can I have sex with my wife", "what new rules can I encumber my conscience with", "is it OK to be gay" thread rather than "how can I help".  WPM tried such a thread yesterday.  I had planned on answering it this morning and spent some of the evening looking for some places that he could put his money that would help him follow the will of Christ.  I think that he was asking more than just the obvious, however. Maybe he just should have asked if he should masturbate.  He would have had four pages of answers in 24 hours.

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

Grow up people.  Stop acting like the whole world is crap because of an Orthodox forum, especially when you haven't even been to other religious forums to actually form an objective opinion.

I'm sick and tired of people just acting like they're sick and tired.  If you don't like reading posts here or being here, then leave.  Don't come.  You probably have better things to do, like reading non-religious forums.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2014, 04:55:14 PM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

This is what happens when the focus of one's religion becomes the practice of rituals, fasts, ceremonies, correctness of art and music and the like.  It is re-establishing the old Law which brought nothing but death and destruction.  Christ is the opposite of this.  The new rituals that He wishes us to perform are to help those around us, love each other, bring the Word of God to those who do not have it (and it helps if it is in their own language).  These are not negative things, but positives.  Yes, they can bring sadness.  When you get out in the world and start helping people, you see how fallen the world really is, and the pain that mankind suffers as a result.  But this sadness for these people IS the love of God, provided that you follow the commands of Christ and feed those that are hungry, clothe those that are naked, and visit those that are sick and in prison.  It is too bad that we come to an Orthodox forum to read "look at me fast", "should I masturbate", "can I have sex with my wife", "what new rules can I encumber my conscience with", "is it OK to be gay" thread rather than "how can I help".  WPM tried such a thread yesterday.  I had planned on answering it this morning and spent some of the evening looking for some places that he could put his money that would help him follow the will of Christ.  I think that he was asking more than just the obvious, however. Maybe he just should have asked if he should masturbate.  He would have had four pages of answers in 24 hours.

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

Grow up people.  Stop acting like the whole world is crap because of an Orthodox forum, especially when you haven't even been to other religious forums to actually form an objective opinion.

I'm sick and tired of people just acting like they're sick and tired.  If you don't like reading posts here or being here, then leave.  Don't come.  You probably have better things to do, like reading non-religious forums.

I did not say that I have not ever been on other religious forums, just that I am not on them currently. So, why don't you do me a favor and have aerial relations with a rolling pastry.
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2014, 04:58:51 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2014, 05:02:26 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2014, 05:05:55 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.

Can we acknowledge their concerns as long as they abide by the forum rules?
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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2014, 05:08:30 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.

Can we acknowledge their concerns as long as they abide by the forum rules?

Am I out of my league to write what I wrote?  Did I say someone broke the rules?

Do people even read the rules?
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2014, 05:13:32 PM »

The forum also has to be free; you definitely don't want to lose that. What bothers me is when threads divert into arguments, but that's also an expression of freedom.

Which should indicate to us that there's something wrong with freedom as a principle.  Wink
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2014, 05:13:54 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.

Can we acknowledge their concerns as long as they abide by the forum rules?

Am I out of my league to write what I wrote?  Did I say someone broke the rules?

No, but you mentioned a poster who was reinstated.  That poster has a negative view of the world at the moment - whose needs can't be completely addressed by the forum.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2014, 05:20:05 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.

Can we acknowledge their concerns as long as they abide by the forum rules?

Am I out of my league to write what I wrote?  Did I say someone broke the rules?

No, but you mentioned a poster who was reinstated.  That poster has a negative view of the world at the moment - whose needs can't be completely addressed by the forum.

Then the best thing is not to encourage his behavior by sharing with him how much this site is not good.  Instead of wasting time blaming his personal issues on Orthodox rituals and how much we don't give enough to the poor, he could perhaps have acknowledged with you his personal issues and dealt with it.

For many people here, it's easier to like to bicker about this site than to honestly engage in your own real problems.  Don't expect that you'll get a therapeutic pat on the back over the keyboard.
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2014, 05:24:29 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.

Can we acknowledge their concerns as long as they abide by the forum rules?

Am I out of my league to write what I wrote?  Did I say someone broke the rules?

No, but you mentioned a poster who was reinstated.  That poster has a negative view of the world at the moment - whose needs can't be completely addressed by the forum.

Then the best thing is not to encourage his behavior by sharing with him how much this site is not good.  Instead of wasting time blaming his personal issues on Orthodox rituals and how much we don't give enough to the poor, he could perhaps have acknowledged with you his personal issues and dealt with it.

For many people here, it's easier to like to bicker about this site than to honestly engage in your own real problems.  Don't expect that you'll get a therapeutic pat on the back over the keyboard.

Some people need that reassurance - it's like giving money to panhandlers.  I won't give money to panhandlers; however, I would give the 'therapeutic pat on the back' to a forum member who needs it.
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2014, 05:26:28 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.

Can we acknowledge their concerns as long as they abide by the forum rules?

Am I out of my league to write what I wrote?  Did I say someone broke the rules?

No, but you mentioned a poster who was reinstated.  That poster has a negative view of the world at the moment - whose needs can't be completely addressed by the forum.

Then the best thing is not to encourage his behavior by sharing with him how much this site is not good.  Instead of wasting time blaming his personal issues on Orthodox rituals and how much we don't give enough to the poor, he could perhaps have acknowledged with you his personal issues and dealt with it.

For many people here, it's easier to like to bicker about this site than to honestly engage in your own real problems.  Don't expect that you'll get a therapeutic pat on the back over the keyboard.

Some people need that reassurance - it's like giving money to panhandlers.  I won't give money to panhandlers; however, I would give the 'therapeutic pat on the back' to a forum member who needs it.

And sometimes therapeutic cyber spanking is also necessary. People need a bit of a wake up call.  This thread is one of those times
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I think its fine to give such pats on the back over actual problems..


but if that problem is only expressed as 'This forum sucks'...then thats not a true problem of the same sort.


I -think- that is what Mina is getting at...
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2014, 05:32:42 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the forum is the only positive thing they have in life.

And for others, it's a medium to act like babies and complain of other people's behaviors.

They like to talk about how broken the world is and his one should feed the poor and yet spend time typing a few words to let you know how much other forums are better than this one.

Can we acknowledge their concerns as long as they abide by the forum rules?

Am I out of my league to write what I wrote?  Did I say someone broke the rules?

No, but you mentioned a poster who was reinstated.  That poster has a negative view of the world at the moment - whose needs can't be completely addressed by the forum.

Then the best thing is not to encourage his behavior by sharing with him how much this site is not good.  Instead of wasting time blaming his personal issues on Orthodox rituals and how much we don't give enough to the poor, he could perhaps have acknowledged with you his personal issues and dealt with it.

For many people here, it's easier to like to bicker about this site than to honestly engage in your own real problems.  Don't expect that you'll get a therapeutic pat on the back over the keyboard.

Some people need that reassurance - it's like giving money to panhandlers.  I won't give money to panhandlers; however, I would give the 'therapeutic pat on the back' to a forum member who needs it.

And sometimes therapeutic cyber spanking is also necessary. People need a bit of a wake up call.  This thread is one of those times

Whatever you do ... don't become a psychiatrist.   Wink
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2014, 05:46:23 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the this forum is the only positive thing experience of Orthodoxy that they have in life.

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2014, 05:49:58 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

For some people, the this forum is the only positive thing experience of Orthodoxy that they have in life.

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That may be true for the OP, but not for the others who've posted on this thread.

I admit that repeatedly saying 'this forum sucks' is an issue appropriate for forum moderation; however, no one knows if a person is saying 'this forum sucks' because he/she perceives that everything else sucks in his/her life.
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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2014, 05:53:58 PM »

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

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FIFY

That may be true for the OP, but not for the others who've posted on this thread.

I admit that repeatedly saying 'this forum sucks' is an issue appropriate for forum moderation; however, no one knows if a person is saying 'this forum sucks' because he/she perceives that everything else sucks in his/her life.

Most likely the latter.
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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2014, 06:12:45 PM »

This thread sucks.
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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2014, 07:39:16 PM »


This Forum, is in a way a part of this world.  Some days are good, and some days are bad.

There are many positive individuals who wish to communicate with other Orthodox, there are people who merely wish to learn about Orthodoxy, some have questions, some wish to have something explained....all here admittedly do learn something about Orthodoxy.  I know I have.

There are also negative people on the Forum, just like in the world.  There are people who thrive on conflict, can never admit they might be wrong, don't wish to see other's point of view, and are Pharisaical....and tend to bring negativity onto the Forum.

There are people who merely are having a bad day, or are struggling at the moment, don't feel well, have a headache, are in trouble with the boss, or the wife, or both....and come across as angry and intolerant.  They really aren't....they are just having issues and we must be patient with them, and help them.

The Forum is not a negative place, but, we tend to bring negativity onto the Forum.

If anyone finds this Forum to be negative, than I assign you the task of changing that around.

Be nice to everyone, be supportive, kind and understanding.  Don't jump at the bait, don't snap at the wagging finger....just let it go.

Everyone, even Dan, has every right to discuss their feelings on this thread and the entire Forum.  Yes, we know he's had issues, but, there's no need to throw them in his face at every opportunity.  We all make mistakes, we all sin, we fall....we get back up.  Let us encourage each other, not discourage.

If anyone has suggestions on how we can make this Forum "more" positive, feel free to share you suggestions with us.  No guarantees they will be implemented, but, this is a free country, and you can speak your piece - as long as it abides by Forum Rules.  Wink

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nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

This is what happens when the focus of one's religion becomes the practice of rituals, fasts, ceremonies, correctness of art and music and the like.  It is re-establishing the old Law which brought nothing but death and destruction.  Christ is the opposite of this.  The new rituals that He wishes us to perform are to help those around us, love each other, bring the Word of God to those who do not have it (and it helps if it is in their own language).  These are not negative things, but positives.  Yes, they can bring sadness.  When you get out in the world and start helping people, you see how fallen the world really is, and the pain that mankind suffers as a result.  But this sadness for these people IS the love of God, provided that you follow the commands of Christ and feed those that are hungry, clothe those that are naked, and visit those that are sick and in prison.  It is too bad that we come to an Orthodox forum to read "look at me fast", "should I masturbate", "can I have sex with my wife", "what new rules can I encumber my conscience with", "is it OK to be gay" thread rather than "how can I help".  WPM tried such a thread yesterday.  I had planned on answering it this morning and spent some of the evening looking for some places that he could put his money that would help him follow the will of Christ.  I think that he was asking more than just the obvious, however. Maybe he just should have asked if he should masturbate.  He would have had four pages of answers in 24 hours.

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

Grow up people.  Stop acting like the whole world is crap because of an Orthodox forum, especially when you haven't even been to other religious forums to actually form an objective opinion.

I'm sick and tired of people just acting like they're sick and tired.  If you don't like reading posts here or being here, then leave.  Don't come.  You probably have better things to do, like reading non-religious forums.

Minasoliman

I thought Punch's post was helpful and almost perfect. I do not think yours is in this regard. I am not referring to Dan-Romania, because I have not followed his posts and I think it is wrong to have responses to Dan-Romania rather than WPM, when WPM is the one in immediate need. I am sure Dan-Romania will agree with me and will be willing to be left out of the discussion.  I have kept a watchful eye on WPMs posts when I come across them. I also saw the thread that you refer to soon after he started it. It should slide, I can certainly rationalize it and I could possibly defend it if I had more information. If you have been following WPM's history then we should converse by PM because we have serious differences in opinion.

This does not mean that my impressions of WPM are correct (I have never communicated with him) but base on what I know, I love and care about him and will defend him, which I am doing now.
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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2014, 08:30:52 PM »

Hi, Its time for me to take a break and leave this forum for awhile.

Thanks for help answering my questions.



I'm glad that it is a break, and not forever.

Sometimes we feel the need for breaks, I myself did in the past but had hard time to keep them. So, I hope you come back soon. We all here are your brothers and sisters, at least to me. We fight and argue, but we still members of one family.


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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2014, 08:47:23 PM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

This is what happens when the focus of one's religion becomes the practice of rituals, fasts, ceremonies, correctness of art and music and the like.  It is re-establishing the old Law which brought nothing but death and destruction.  Christ is the opposite of this.  The new rituals that He wishes us to perform are to help those around us, love each other, bring the Word of God to those who do not have it (and it helps if it is in their own language).  These are not negative things, but positives.  Yes, they can bring sadness.  When you get out in the world and start helping people, you see how fallen the world really is, and the pain that mankind suffers as a result.  But this sadness for these people IS the love of God, provided that you follow the commands of Christ and feed those that are hungry, clothe those that are naked, and visit those that are sick and in prison.  It is too bad that we come to an Orthodox forum to read "look at me fast", "should I masturbate", "can I have sex with my wife", "what new rules can I encumber my conscience with", "is it OK to be gay" thread rather than "how can I help".  WPM tried such a thread yesterday.  I had planned on answering it this morning and spent some of the evening looking for some places that he could put his money that would help him follow the will of Christ.  I think that he was asking more than just the obvious, however. Maybe he just should have asked if he should masturbate.  He would have had four pages of answers in 24 hours.

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

Grow up people.  Stop acting like the whole world is crap because of an Orthodox forum, especially when you haven't even been to other religious forums to actually form an objective opinion.

I'm sick and tired of people just acting like they're sick and tired.  If you don't like reading posts here or being here, then leave.  Don't come.  You probably have better things to do, like reading non-religious forums.

Minasoliman

I thought Punch's post was helpful and almost perfect. I do not think yours is in this regard. I am not referring to Dan-Romania, because I have not followed his posts and I think it is wrong to have responses to Dan-Romania rather than WPM, when WPM is the one in immediate need. I am sure Dan-Romania will agree with me and will be willing to be left out of the discussion.  I have kept a watchful eye on WPMs posts when I come across them. I also saw the thread that you refer to soon after he started it. It should slide, I can certainly rationalize it and I could possibly defend it if I had more information. If you have been following WPM's history then we should converse by PM because we have serious differences in opinion.

This does not mean that my impressions of WPM are correct (I have never communicated with him) but base on what I know, I love and care about him and will defend him, which I am doing now.

The impression I got from Punch's post is an encouragement to the "blame the site" game.  It's this type of behavior that I will criticize.  Make of it what you will.
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« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2014, 11:20:46 PM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

This is what happens when the focus of one's religion becomes the practice of rituals, fasts, ceremonies, correctness of art and music and the like.  It is re-establishing the old Law which brought nothing but death and destruction.  Christ is the opposite of this.  The new rituals that He wishes us to perform are to help those around us, love each other, bring the Word of God to those who do not have it (and it helps if it is in their own language).  These are not negative things, but positives.  Yes, they can bring sadness.  When you get out in the world and start helping people, you see how fallen the world really is, and the pain that mankind suffers as a result.  But this sadness for these people IS the love of God, provided that you follow the commands of Christ and feed those that are hungry, clothe those that are naked, and visit those that are sick and in prison.  It is too bad that we come to an Orthodox forum to read "look at me fast", "should I masturbate", "can I have sex with my wife", "what new rules can I encumber my conscience with", "is it OK to be gay" thread rather than "how can I help".  WPM tried such a thread yesterday.  I had planned on answering it this morning and spent some of the evening looking for some places that he could put his money that would help him follow the will of Christ.  I think that he was asking more than just the obvious, however. Maybe he just should have asked if he should masturbate.  He would have had four pages of answers in 24 hours.

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

Grow up people.  Stop acting like the whole world is crap because of an Orthodox forum, especially when you haven't even been to other religious forums to actually form an objective opinion.

I'm sick and tired of people just acting like they're sick and tired.  If you don't like reading posts here or being here, then leave.  Don't come.  You probably have better things to do, like reading non-religious forums.

Minasoliman

I thought Punch's post was helpful and almost perfect. I do not think yours is in this regard. I am not referring to Dan-Romania, because I have not followed his posts and I think it is wrong to have responses to Dan-Romania rather than WPM, when WPM is the one in immediate need. I am sure Dan-Romania will agree with me and will be willing to be left out of the discussion.  I have kept a watchful eye on WPMs posts when I come across them. I also saw the thread that you refer to soon after he started it. It should slide, I can certainly rationalize it and I could possibly defend it if I had more information. If you have been following WPM's history then we should converse by PM because we have serious differences in opinion.

This does not mean that my impressions of WPM are correct (I have never communicated with him) but base on what I know, I love and care about him and will defend him, which I am doing now.

The impression I got from Punch's post is an encouragement to the "blame the site" game.  It's this type of behavior that I will criticize.  Make of it what you will.

I re-read his post (reply #9) and I do not see your concern. For the most part I think he was spot on (with the exception of the English only idea). He is not complaining about the forum, but of the lack of helpfulness of people in the forum. People here often go after the easy fruit that has nothing to do with the Original Post or Poster.

My perspective is that it takes a lot of time and courage for a person on this forum to bring up personal problems and feelings. I certainly do not do this sort of thing because I lack the courage (and I think with justification). It takes just as much courage and time to come up with what might be a thoughtful and helpful response. It is not easy and will likely take multiple posts to clarify the issues at hand.

What I do see more often than I want is that if JamesR comments on a thread, the thread becomes about him because ridiculing him is thoughtless and easy. I worry that the emotional effort of the OP is likewise ridiculed and rejected, and depending on the OP's state of mind, devastating.

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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2014, 11:27:42 PM »

I'll give an example.  When Raylight complained about his temporary doubts of the faith, he articulated it well enough for people to sympathize.  But when people act like jerks or make strange comments, you will not always get a sympathetic response.

If I have misinterpreted Punch, I offer to him my sincere apologies.
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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2014, 11:28:14 PM »

This is just my opinion, but I think the personal ridicule that occurs on this forum is the worst thing that goes on. It's shameful and should not be tolerated. Regardless of how ridiculous we find somebody's opinions, we should never disparage them personally. I've probably been guilty of this myself, and if so then I sincerely apologize.


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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2014, 11:31:32 PM »

nothing wrong with arguments, just with negative things... you only see of bad stuff, faithless, insecurity, fear, condemnation, blah blah blah Cheesy , avoidance to discuss important matter of the faith.. only negative emotions... just like all my experience of Orthodoxy everywhere Smiley... one has to wonder...

This is what happens when the focus of one's religion becomes the practice of rituals, fasts, ceremonies, correctness of art and music and the like.  It is re-establishing the old Law which brought nothing but death and destruction.  Christ is the opposite of this.  The new rituals that He wishes us to perform are to help those around us, love each other, bring the Word of God to those who do not have it (and it helps if it is in their own language).  These are not negative things, but positives.  Yes, they can bring sadness.  When you get out in the world and start helping people, you see how fallen the world really is, and the pain that mankind suffers as a result.  But this sadness for these people IS the love of God, provided that you follow the commands of Christ and feed those that are hungry, clothe those that are naked, and visit those that are sick and in prison.  It is too bad that we come to an Orthodox forum to read "look at me fast", "should I masturbate", "can I have sex with my wife", "what new rules can I encumber my conscience with", "is it OK to be gay" thread rather than "how can I help".  WPM tried such a thread yesterday.  I had planned on answering it this morning and spent some of the evening looking for some places that he could put his money that would help him follow the will of Christ.  I think that he was asking more than just the obvious, however. Maybe he just should have asked if he should masturbate.  He would have had four pages of answers in 24 hours.

If you get a chance, go ahead and let me know what you think of this post by WPM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,59053.0.html

And then come back and complain about how an "Orthodox forum" is.  Or better yet, if you're too annoyed, maybe you should pack your bags too.

Grow up people.  Stop acting like the whole world is crap because of an Orthodox forum, especially when you haven't even been to other religious forums to actually form an objective opinion.

I'm sick and tired of people just acting like they're sick and tired.  If you don't like reading posts here or being here, then leave.  Don't come.  You probably have better things to do, like reading non-religious forums.

Minasoliman

I thought Punch's post was helpful and almost perfect. I do not think yours is in this regard. I am not referring to Dan-Romania, because I have not followed his posts and I think it is wrong to have responses to Dan-Romania rather than WPM, when WPM is the one in immediate need. I am sure Dan-Romania will agree with me and will be willing to be left out of the discussion.  I have kept a watchful eye on WPMs posts when I come across them. I also saw the thread that you refer to soon after he started it. It should slide, I can certainly rationalize it and I could possibly defend it if I had more information. If you have been following WPM's history then we should converse by PM because we have serious differences in opinion.

This does not mean that my impressions of WPM are correct (I have never communicated with him) but base on what I know, I love and care about him and will defend him, which I am doing now.

The impression I got from Punch's post is an encouragement to the "blame the site" game.  It's this type of behavior that I will criticize.  Make of it what you will.

I re-read his post (reply #9) and I do not see your concern. For the most part I think he was spot on (with the exception of the English only idea). He is not complaining about the forum, but of the lack of helpfulness of people in the forum. People here often go after the easy fruit that has nothing to do with the Original Post or Poster.

My perspective is that it takes a lot of time and courage for a person on this forum to bring up personal problems and feelings. I certainly do not do this sort of thing because I lack the courage (and I think with justification). It takes just as much courage and time to come up with what might be a thoughtful and helpful response. It is not easy and will likely take multiple posts to clarify the issues at hand.

What I do see more often than I want is that if JamesR comments on a thread, the thread becomes about him because ridiculing him is thoughtless and easy. I worry that the emotional effort of the OP is likewise ridiculed and rejected, and depending on the OP's state of mind, devastating.



Yes, indeed, certain posters in this forum often fail to address the subject addressed in the opening statement, but delight in ridiculing a targeted set of posters with ad hominems, baits, and taunts with the object of getting those targeted members upset so that these targeted individuals will break the rules and will be warned, put on moderation, or outrightly banned. K was one of these targeted individuals. He left. JamesR, Y, other members and I are also on their hit list. It is a form of bullying, and I might add that there is a current gang headed by one of our members who thrive on this form of bullying. You who are part of this gang of bullies know exactly who you are. Enough said.

If this gang of sarcastic individuals were to be warned, moderated, or muted, then this forum would be more charitable.  

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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2014, 11:32:02 PM »

This is just my opinion, but I think the personal ridicule that occurs on this forum is the worst thing that goes on. It's shameful and should not be tolerated. Regardless of how ridiculous we find somebody's opinions, we should never disparage them personally. I've probably been guilty of this myself, and if so then I sincerely apologize.


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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2014, 11:36:22 PM »

Sometimes the allegation of bullying is such a ridiculous notion over the internet, it turns into conspiracy theories with people.

And then when the opportunity knocks, let's all collect a few people to blame oc.net for its lax policies.  Who's bullying who?
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Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.
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