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" The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:02:36 PM »
While I'm googling Orthodox Forum. I usually google it and then click and log in. Today my eyes caught this YouTube video and in it, the person claims that Orthodox Forum, including this forum, are corrupt and destructive.

He seems to be a former member here and he is sharing his experience.


Here is the video:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW32KR_coJo

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 08:34:16 PM »
He seems to be a former member here and he is sharing his experience.

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 08:40:31 PM »
Feel free to watch the rest of his videos, and decide this day who you will serve; as for me and... well just me, I will choose sanity (and oc.net, which I guess is kinda the opposite, but anyway...)
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2016, 09:08:32 PM »
This guy obviously has an overly distorted sense of self-importance.  Apparently, I, and everyone else here, should have been glad for him exposing all of the evils of Harry Potter and its connection to the rise of witchcraft in the USA.  And priests who are involved with the internet and use smart phones are "novus ordo" priests are not setting a good example.  But, remember, he's NOT being judgmental.

This guy is just ranting with a still image in the background. 

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2016, 09:13:20 PM »

LOL!  He says Orthodox Forums are bad because they go against the teaching of "silence"....well, how silent is his video?

Well....to be fair....there is a grain of truth to what he says.  Forums do have Rules that posters must comply with.

Therefore, even if speaking the truth one becomes combative or spouts ad hominems, etc., one will get punished.  It's all in how you participate.

You can most definitely say all that he said in the video and NOT get punished, if you say it correctly in the correct sections of the Forum.
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 09:14:12 PM »
He sounds like a rapist.

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2016, 09:19:42 PM »

That's not nice.  What does a rapist sound like?
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2016, 09:29:26 PM »
He sounds like a rapist.

ANd you know that how?

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2016, 10:27:38 PM »

That's not nice.  What does a rapist sound like?

R. Kelly?
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2016, 10:52:13 PM »

LOL!  He says Orthodox Forums are bad because they go against the teaching of "silence"....well, how silent is his video?

Well....to be fair....there is a grain of truth to what he says.  Forums do have Rules that posters must comply with.

Therefore, even if speaking the truth one becomes combative or spouts ad hominems, etc., one will get punished.  It's all in how you participate.

You can most definitely say all that he said in the video and NOT get punished, if you say it correctly in the correct sections of the Forum.

Indeed.  I do feel for him on a certain level, but I can't fault this forum given that I have been allowed to post some fairly outré remarks which are much less uncontroversial than what he said; the trick is to just respect the rules of each subforum.  Actually OCNet has been one of the better forums I've been a member of; I feel a certain degree of warmth here. 

The only forum I've ever found vexatious is another Christian forum that has very ambiguous and inconsistently enforced rules, where several mods are at odds with each other and there are rather Byzantine politics betwixt them (which I unintentionally and to my great chagrin  managed to make even more Byzantine, with an epic drama of political intrigue and betrayal worthy of George R.R. Martin, but that's another story).  That just does not apply to OCNet or indeed to most places.

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I would also note some tact is needed when describing people who are wrong.  Simply calling a heretical group heretical or a cult can be abrasive and polemical; one should words like "erroroneous" "incorrect" and "misguided."  The elegance of understated language can be quite useful.

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2016, 11:55:51 PM »
While I'm googling Orthodox Forum. I usually google it and then click and log in. Today my eyes caught this YouTube video and in it, the person claims that Orthodox Forum, including this forum, are corrupt and destructive.

He seems to be a former member here and he is sharing his experience.


Here is the video:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW32KR_coJo

I don't know how much of a former member Incognito777 really is. He's posted a number of times since then.
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2016, 11:58:26 PM »
He sounds like a rapist.

I'm crying!   :D

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2016, 12:00:24 AM »
Oddly enough, yesterday at confession I mentioned how useful this and other internet fora are precisely because the discussions make it so easy for me to identify (too late, of course) times when I'm being judgmental or quick to take offense.

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2016, 12:02:03 AM »
Comments on the video are disabled. This guy knows how crazy he is.
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2016, 12:34:23 AM »
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2016, 12:45:39 AM »
Here he is:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=55013.0

Judge for yourself.

Ah, good ol' Incognito777. Called it.

One of the problems with you people, is a lack of seriousness. Get real.

He's got me there  :P
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2016, 12:50:51 AM »
I don't want to judge, however he seems unhinged at times,he the one saying the double headed dragon in Orthodoxy is pagan, and he was a few months ago spouting some iconoclastic nonesense, plus Harry Poter being satanic stuff. He also seems so bitter towards Old Calendarists on his videos. I use to like some of his videos, until I seen a pattern of him, going nuts on YouTube videos, then taking them down, then saying he not nuts, that he "just suffers from depression". Just type in the name "pilgrim1411" to see his greatest hits.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2016, 12:56:36 AM »
Well, seeker, what you have to understand is the only thing Genuine True Orthodox hate more than us heretical new calendar ecuminicist world Orthodox are the True Genuine Orthodox. Splitters!
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2016, 12:57:30 AM »
Well, seeker, what you have to understand is the only thing Genuine True Orthodox hate more than us heretical new calendar ecuminicist world Orthodox are the True Genuine Orthodox. Splitters!

You need a flow chart to keep up with who is who in those groups.
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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2016, 01:02:03 AM »
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2016, 01:10:38 AM »
It's common knowledge that you secretly want to be born in early 17th century Russia.  As a serf or a royal, I know not.  Chances are serf.

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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2016, 01:16:20 AM »
Any time someone complains of "modernism" or "modernists," I immediately think of the Amish. Such complaints are laughable. It reminds me of the petty factionalism of the churches (Methodist) my father pastored at. One church literally tried to have my dad fired for using an official United Methodist hymnal from the 80's and 90's rather than the old Cokesbury hymnal from the 20's. Not only that, they killed the Youth Group and Sunday School in order to reach their objective. Such people I often find to be the worst.
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2016, 02:01:57 AM »
He has some points I should probably listen to him but I believe forums are good places to express dissatisfaction about things in church and the people there. Also it is good to bring people who were wounded in the church back to the church by informing them about teaching and sermons they missed by not being in the church not that it is a complete replacement for the church experience


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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2016, 02:48:03 AM »
He has some points I should probably listen to him
Why would you want to do that?
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2016, 03:09:17 AM »
He has some points I should probably listen to him
Why would you want to do that?
I'm hoping he meant, "I should probably avoid Orthodox forums" rather than "I should listen to his videos."
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2016, 03:36:33 AM »
He has some points I should probably listen to him
Why would you want to do that?

Sorry I was in the process of writing a post but I did not want to post it for fear of saying everything on my mind
I will not follow blindly his videos. I have been told my others to go off forums by my parents and others like LBK
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2016, 03:59:00 AM »
He has some points I should probably listen to him
Why would you want to do that?

Sorry I was in the process of writing a post but I did not want to post it for fear of saying everything on my mind
I will not follow blindly his videos. I have been told my others to go off forums by my parents and others like LBK
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2016, 04:10:02 AM »
Thanks mina :) I will read that book soon. Its not so big. I really should not have delayed it too long



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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2016, 10:08:39 AM »
He sounds like a rapist.

ANd you know that how?

Perhaps social cues aren't your forte, so permit me to offer some free advice. If a man approaches you talking like the dude in the video, run. If running isn't an option, seize upon the nearest impromptu weapon and prepare to defend your virtue.

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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2016, 10:29:15 AM »
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, Incognito777 has some significant mental issues, so it probably is best to not kick someone when they are down. I messed with him a number of times on here, and I regret that I did. I should have been kinder to him.
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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2016, 11:51:21 AM »
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, Incognito777 has some significant mental issues, so it probably is best to not kick someone when they are down. I messed with him a number of times on here, and I regret that I did. I should have been kinder to him.

Maybe his youtube rant should have focussed on how being on internet fora, religious or not, are not conducive to those with mental issues.

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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2016, 12:27:44 PM »
Any time someone complains of "modernism" or "modernists," I immediately think of the Amish. Such complaints are laughable. It reminds me of the petty factionalism of the churches (Methodist) my father pastored at. One church literally tried to have my dad fired for using an official United Methodist hymnal from the 80's and 90's rather than the old Cokesbury hymnal from the 20's. Not only that, they killed the Youth Group and Sunday School in order to reach their objective. Such people I often find to be the worst.

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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2016, 12:46:02 PM »
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, Incognito777 has some significant mental issues, so it probably is best to not kick someone when they are down. I messed with him a number of times on here, and I regret that I did. I should have been kinder to him.

When it comes to forum rules, I don't feel bad, especially if someone is acting like an Internet martyr.  But I do feel bad for him for the cyber-bullying he is getting, which I am noticing is terrible, and his continued sense of "need" to continue video posting for the sake of "protecting Orthodoxy" isn't helping.
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2016, 05:22:30 PM »
Is he actually implying we should throw all modern technology away and live like the Amish because broadband is definitely what makes us wordly? Well, let's do it, we shall all join the Pretty Serious Orthodox Synod of Kitezh now that we've heard an authority. At least they have long robes!
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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2016, 02:07:27 AM »
Any time someone complains of "modernism" or "modernists," I immediately think of the Amish. Such complaints are laughable. It reminds me of the petty factionalism of the churches (Methodist) my father pastored at. One church literally tried to have my dad fired for using an official United Methodist hymnal from the 80's and 90's rather than the old Cokesbury hymnal from the 20's. Not only that, they killed the Youth Group and Sunday School in order to reach their objective. Such people I often find to be the worst.

Modernist architecture is good.  I love Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius, et al.  Alao modernist literature and to a degree, modernist music.  Modernist theology on the other hand...

Oh, good Lord. I can think of very little in modernist architecture or literature to love. So far as architecture is concerned, the Greats were great, but the rest were middling (and even then, I find van der Rohe the most interesting earlier in his career before he fully developed his modernist leanings. Compare the Glass Skycraper to the drabness of the Seagram Building).

Modernist literature is, by and large, a sea of self-indulgent masturbation, words spewed for the sake of spewing words. I'll take post-modernists like Vonnegut or Ecco over Joyce or Fitzgerald any day of the week (I do love Kafka, though). When it comes to the modernist period, the only literature worth reading is genre: give me Hammet, Chandler, Tolkien, and Asimov any day of the week.

Modernist music is hit or miss the further one moves from Stravinsky. Post 1930 the only thing worth listening to is pop. Swing, bebop, jazz, early rhythm and blues, on to rock music and rap, those are far more profound.
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2016, 10:38:36 AM »
He sounds like a rapist.

ANd you know that how?

Perhaps social cues aren't your forte, so permit me to offer some free advice. If a man approaches you talking like the dude in the video, run. If running isn't an option, seize upon the nearest impromptu weapon and prepare to defend your virtue.

So you know a lot of rapists, then?

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Re: " The Dangers of Orthodox Forums ".
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2016, 12:45:57 PM »
Any time someone complains of "modernism" or "modernists," I immediately think of the Amish. Such complaints are laughable. It reminds me of the petty factionalism of the churches (Methodist) my father pastored at. One church literally tried to have my dad fired for using an official United Methodist hymnal from the 80's and 90's rather than the old Cokesbury hymnal from the 20's. Not only that, they killed the Youth Group and Sunday School in order to reach their objective. Such people I often find to be the worst.

Modernist architecture is good.  I love Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius, et al.  Alao modernist literature and to a degree, modernist music.  Modernist theology on the other hand...

Oh, good Lord. I can think of very little in modernist architecture or literature to love. So far as architecture is concerned, the Greats were great, but the rest were middling (and even then, I find van der Rohe the most interesting earlier in his career before he fully developed his modernist leanings. Compare the Glass Skycraper to the drabness of the Seagram Building).

Modernist literature is, by and large, a sea of self-indulgent masturbation, words spewed for the sake of spewing words. I'll take post-modernists like Vonnegut or Ecco over Joyce or Fitzgerald any day of the week (I do love Kafka, though). When it comes to the modernist period, the only literature worth reading is genre: give me Hammet, Chandler, Tolkien, and Asimov any day of the week.

Modernist music is hit or miss the further one moves from Stravinsky. Post 1930 the only thing worth listening to is pop. Swing, bebop, jazz, early rhythm and blues, on to rock music and rap, those are far more profound.

Philistine!   :)   Modernist literature is elegant, at its best with a certain economy of prose; postmodernism is too cheeky, confusing sarcasm with irony.

Architecturally, the Seagram Building is not bland.  You might think that viewing it at a distance; I however have been up close and personal with it, dining in the Four Seasons Restaurant.  I can assure you, it is the most elegant building extant, and I am talking about the exterior as well as the interior.

I at times wish I could be a sort of Modernist King Ludwig II, building sleek Imternational Style skyscrapers in the Bavarian Alps.