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The "New Asceticism"
« on: June 20, 2014, 10:00:20 AM »
Here's a short video on the "New Asceticism" (what is this, even?) by Catholic Fr. Steve Grunow.

Is he saying traditional (e.g. Byzantine) asceticism isn't really Christian? I also noticed his seeming dismissal of Plato and his affirmation of Aristotelian anthropology.
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Re: The "New Asceticism"
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2014, 10:45:28 AM »
Interesting. I had never heard of the "New Asceticism" prior to this video. I agree with the priests view of the human person, and I join him in rejecting Platonic anthropology. However, I am always a bit wary of any approach that treats traditional spiritual practices as mistaken. I would have to learn more about where this priest is coming from.
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Re: The "New Asceticism"
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2014, 10:50:13 AM »
I would further add that it is my understanding that the reason that traditional ascetic practices were so harsh was not that Christians held a dualist view. Rather, it was because these Christians believed that passions were quite out of whack since the fall and required serious discipline.
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Re: The "New Asceticism"
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2014, 02:18:29 PM »
This whole Platonism trope has gotten very old. Do people even realize that late Platonists like Proclus rejected the doctrine that matter is evil? It is possible to have a Platonic sense of unity, participation, and distinction, without having as a logical consequence the notion that matter is evil. Indeed, for the fathers, it is not that matter is evil, but rather that after the fall, the necessities our material being have a tendency to incline the faculties of our souls towards evil (what we call passions), and because of this, in order to free ourselves of evil, we must strive by asceticism to free ourselves from our attachments to the material world (and especially the attachment to pleasure), which is at the very root of our enslavement to the passions.
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Re: The "New Asceticism"
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2014, 03:58:36 PM »
Misapprehending Plato is an important foundation for most modern and contemporary thought.
One hides amid pornography, angry music, television that shows the worst of mankind, misanthropic politics, an internet populace led by all the passions: and then one asks, "Where is God?"


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Re: The "New Asceticism"
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2014, 04:31:59 PM »
Can't say much on Platonism but I agree we should avoid dualism.
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Re: The "New Asceticism"
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2014, 05:19:18 PM »
If you want to change paths to sainthood as described by saints, you'd better make at least a bona fide miracle to show you know the path you are suggesting from begining to end; certainly making a video to substitute for that is not enough.
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Re: The "New Asceticism"
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 05:26:08 PM »
Here's a short video on the "New Asceticism" (what is this, even?) by Catholic Fr. Steve Grunow.

Is he saying traditional (e.g. Byzantine) asceticism isn't really Christian? I also noticed his seeming dismissal of Plato and his affirmation of Aristotelian anthropology.

I don't think "traditional asceticism" is really on his radar screen.  It seems like he's trying to equate asceticism with going to the gym.
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