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Offline Andrew - The First Called

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Bishop John Lobue
« on: June 17, 2014, 05:46:02 PM »
I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this but, does anyone here know the former Milan synod bishop Metropolitan John Lobue? Where do his orders come from? Was he received as a bishop in the Milan synod via chierothesia? Many thanks.

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Re: Bishop John Lobue
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 07:38:23 AM »
as posted elsewhere on this forum:

"Now for the America part of the story in brief. There was an Old Catholic Church in America that entered the Orthodox Church via the American Exarchate of the Russian Patriarchal Church (MP). Its leader was Metropolitan William who was named the Exarch of the Western Rite within the MP in the 1960s. This was all accomplished via the MP's American Exarch. Therefore the MP required Metr William to present himself in Moscow. Being during the Soviet era there was suspicion as to this requirement. Metr. William resigned from the MP and led his Church to the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in Exile under the leadership of Abp Palladios in communion with the EP. Those who know of the history of SCOBA know that Abp Palladios was one of its founders. Under the Ukrainian's spiritual protection, this Western Rite community was granted autocephaly (independence) that was recognized by the EP in 1967. In that same year Metr. William & Abp Palladios consecrated Abp Joseph of San Francisco. Abp Palladios reposed in 1969. In 1973, the EP & Rome declared their mutual recognition, at which time the Orthodox Synod for the Western Rite ceased any communications with the EP.  In 1977,  the Orthodox Synod for the Western Rite received the former Old Catholic Diocese of Texas and its leader bishop Hilarion was consecrated anew as Archbishop of Texas. You all know him from St. Hilarion Monastery in Austin, Texas. In 1979 Metr. William reposed and Abp Joseph was installed as Chief Hierarch. Archbishop John (a former Roman Catholic Jesuit) was named "locum Tenens" prior to Metr Joseph's repose in 1990. By 1997, what remained of the Orthodox Synod for the Western Rite was Abps John (Eastern USA) and Hilarion (Western USA). It was under Abp John's leadership as locum tenens that they entered the Milan Synod in 1997 and both American Hierarchs were accepted, with correction to their ordinations."

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Re: Bishop John Lobue
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 11:56:09 AM »
I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this but, does anyone here know the former Milan synod bishop Metropolitan John Lobue? Where do his orders come from? Was he received as a bishop in the Milan synod via chierothesia? Many thanks.

To continue from Cyrus' very correct historical account:  Due to the Europeans of the Milan Synod's pangs to be reunited with the Moscow Patriarchate (left leaning) and the ever-strengthening traditionalism of the American/British part of Milan Synod: in Feb 2011 Archbishop John of NY was elevated to the rank of Metropolitan & First Hierarch of the newly formed "Autonomous Orthodox Metropolia of North & South Americas & the British Isles". In the years following what was left of the Milan Synod had desolved itself when Metropolitan Evloghios & Abp Avundious resigned their episcopal responsibilities THEN changed their mind and uncanonically reinstated themselves (now autogenic vagantes). Meanwhile the Old Calendar Florinite canonical line continues with the American TOC and the Greeks under Metropolitan Anghelos (in communion with Metr John) [And IMHO the Orthodox "Old Calendar" Church of Greece under Abp Iakovos II apparently in direct line from Abp Auxentios of Athens of blessed memory).

Metr. John & Metr Anghelos are both in communion with the TOC-R (True Orthodox Christians in Russia) under Metropolitan Rafael of Moscow.  In very recent years so-called Abp Laurie has infiltrated the TOC-R and has poisoned it with the heresy of Name-Worshipping.  Metr. John has written several apologetics against Name-Worshipping publicly and directly to Metr Rafael. As of this writing the TOC-R apparently do not wish to let go of this heresy while both American & Greek Hierarchs "wait" for Rafael to change his mind. The trouble is the Americans & Greeks will also be stained as heretics if they persist in remaining "in communion" with Russia.