Author Topic: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?  (Read 1704 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Asteriktos

  • Hypatos
  • *****************
  • Posts: 35,701
  • the irregardless one
Not looking to argue or debate, I'm just curious regarding any available informational sources, preferably in, but not limited to, English. Other than short summary blurbs/paragraphs, are there any published materials discussing the different methods, approaches, evidences, non-starters, deal-breakers, theories, avenues to explore, etc. regarding acceptance of councils (especially ecumenical ones), and/or what to do about saints the other side are wary of or have condemned? Or other like stuff. Essentially I'm looking for some kind of texts on OO/EO theological discussions and dialogue from the last 50 or so years, but focused on the issues not directly related to Christological language and Church/Imperial politics of the earlier times.
"The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you." (Isa. 28:20)

"For because they wronged the simple, they shall be slain; and an inquisition shall ruin the ungodly." (Prov. 1:32 LXX)

Offline Nephi

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,825
  • A non-Chalcedonian in Chalcedonian clothing.
  • Faith: Orthodox
Re: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 08:44:12 PM »
Are you only wanting OO-perspective sources?

If not, this joint statement may be shorter than you're wanting, but it calls for lifting all anathemas against each other's saints/fathers by virtue of their actual Orthodoxy.

But otherwise, I'm interested as well.

Offline CopticDeacon

  • Αναγνώστης(Reader) in the God-loving Diocese of New York and New England
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 646
  • St. Macarius, the Spirit Bearer, Pray for Us!
Re: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2014, 09:18:18 PM »
Are you only wanting OO-perspective sources?

If not, this joint statement may be shorter than you're wanting, but it calls for lifting all anathemas against each other's saints/fathers by virtue of their actual Orthodoxy.

But otherwise, I'm interested as well.

If the above joint statement is in effect you guys are cool with Dioscorus and Severus. Right?
"I see the heavens opened up, and the Son of Man seated at the right hand of God"
-St. Stephen the Archdeacon and Protomartyr

Offline Nephi

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,825
  • A non-Chalcedonian in Chalcedonian clothing.
  • Faith: Orthodox
Re: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 09:58:53 PM »
Are you only wanting OO-perspective sources?

If not, this joint statement may be shorter than you're wanting, but it calls for lifting all anathemas against each other's saints/fathers by virtue of their actual Orthodoxy.

But otherwise, I'm interested as well.

If the above joint statement is in effect you guys are cool with Dioscorus and Severus. Right?

It was just a proposal for the next steps to be taken, so it's not in effect just yet.

That said, His Holiness John X has called on the Ecumenical Partriarch to take action from the Chambesy and Geneva agreements (that proposal being one). In other words he's definitely in favor of immediately lifting the anathemas, and I'd say that means he's at least fairly cool with St. Severus and St. Dioscorus. And fwiw, I certainly am. ;)

Offline Sam G

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,202
  • One Rome to rule them all.
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: ROCOR
Re: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 10:13:00 PM »
This (http://www.scribd.com/doc/61746234/The-Reception-of-the-Ecumenical-Councils-in-the-Early-Church) is a detailed article on the reception of ecumenical councils by Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) with regards to EO/OO relations.
"Vanity of vanities, said Ecclesiastes vanity of vanities, and all is vanity."

Offline dhinuus

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 666
Re: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2014, 10:33:08 PM »
Not looking to argue or debate, I'm just curious regarding any available informational sources, preferably in, but not limited to, English. Other than short summary blurbs/paragraphs, are there any published materials discussing the different methods, approaches, evidences, non-starters, deal-breakers, theories, avenues to explore, etc. regarding acceptance of councils (especially ecumenical ones), and/or what to do about saints the other side are wary of or have condemned? Or other like stuff. Essentially I'm looking for some kind of texts on OO/EO theological discussions and dialogue from the last 50 or so years, but focused on the issues not directly related to Christological language and Church/Imperial politics of the earlier times.

Have you read, The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined by Fr. V C Samuel ?
« Last Edit: June 02, 2014, 10:33:18 PM by dhinuus »
NULL

Online Asteriktos

  • Hypatos
  • *****************
  • Posts: 35,701
  • the irregardless one
Re: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2014, 11:51:13 PM »
Thanks for the links/references :) I don't recall reading the text by Met. Hilarion (I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I go over it); and I'm sure I haven't read the text by Fr. VC Samuel, though I've certainly seen it mentioned before. There is, of course, this thread, but that's a lot of resources, and I don't know the exact contents of many things mentioned. I had ordered the work by Fr. John McGuckin on St. Cyril and the Christological Controversy a couple days ago, which I will still reread... but after I ordered it I thought I might do things in reverse this time around, and try to read the literature on modern happenings first, and then go back and review the early stuff later. I was hoping to get into some of the non-Christological issues first though. Anyway, thanks again, and by all means post more if anyone has something to share...
"The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you." (Isa. 28:20)

"For because they wronged the simple, they shall be slain; and an inquisition shall ruin the ungodly." (Prov. 1:32 LXX)

Online Asteriktos

  • Hypatos
  • *****************
  • Posts: 35,701
  • the irregardless one
Re: OO/EO Councils and Saints! And Other Stuff! Not Christology! Texts?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2014, 02:03:39 PM »
This (http://www.scribd.com/doc/61746234/The-Reception-of-the-Ecumenical-Councils-in-the-Early-Church) is a detailed article on the reception of ecumenical councils by Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) with regards to EO/OO relations.

I found this most interesting.  :)
"The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you." (Isa. 28:20)

"For because they wronged the simple, they shall be slain; and an inquisition shall ruin the ungodly." (Prov. 1:32 LXX)