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Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« on: May 30, 2014, 03:28:28 AM »
So my friend told me that there's an Ethiopian liturgy here on sunday. Apparently it's going to be four hours long so I guess it includes Matins too. Is there anything I should remember or pay attention to before and during the liturgy? Should I wear white clothes or something? What's the Ethiopian position on EO-OO intercommunion?
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2014, 03:46:32 AM »
1. Just "go with the flow," so to speak. Observe what the other parishioners are doing and follow suit. Cross yourself when they cross themselves, prostrate and bow whenever they do, etc.
2. Most, if not all, of the Liturgy will probably be in Amharic/Ge'ez, so you might feel a little lost
3. Just dress modestly, and you should be fine. I think they'll realize your new to the Ethiopian Church and unfamiliar with her traditions. If you wear white clothes it might seem like your trying too hard to fit in.
4. Ethiopians probably more than any other OO group commune in EO Churches when they cannot find a parish of their own. I am not sure to what degree, if at all, they reciprocate this Eucharistic hospitality.
5. Ethiopians, like their Coptic brothers, remove their shoes when communing, some of them may even take their shoes off for the entirety of the Liturgy.

Hopefully others will chime in and elaborate on what I've said.
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2014, 03:57:23 AM »
Thanks, going with the flow was what I had in mind. Not going to take translations or anything with me. As for feeling a bit lost I still remember the time when I was completely lost in EO services even though they were in my native language so that's nothing new. :P
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2014, 04:45:54 PM »
I just realized that in all probability I'm going to be the only Finnish and the only White person attending the service. The idea feels a bit weird since I'm used to hearing my own language and being of the same ethnicity with most of the parishioners.
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2014, 04:56:55 PM »
I just realized that in all probability I'm going to be the only Finnish and the only White person attending the service. The idea feels a bit weird since I'm used to hearing my own language and being of the same ethnicity with most of the parishioners.

You'll be fine.  I do it all the time.  :P
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2014, 05:00:44 PM »
Which church you usually attend?
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 06:12:35 AM »
So we've been separated for over thousand years but I felt right at home once the chanting started. I had no idea of the language or the structure of the services but those didn't bother me at all.

The only situation where I felt a bit lost was the post-liturgical lunch. I can't eat with my bare hands. Is outrage.
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But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:34

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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 06:54:36 AM »
So we've been separated for over thousand years but I felt right at home once the chanting started. I had no idea of the language or the structure of the services but those didn't bother me at all.

The only situation where I felt a bit lost was the post-liturgical lunch. I can't eat with my bare hands. Is outrage.

I'm happy you felt comfortable in the liturgy!
Did you receive communion?
As for not eating with your hands..... this is a sign of weakness from the white man.
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 07:01:09 AM »
Nope. I gave it a thought but then I realized that it would be a bit silly as I can easily receive Communion from my own church and we are not in full communion as of yet. I don't like church-hopping. Most of the Ethiopian adults didn't receive either so it wasn't a big deal anyway. The situation would be different if I lived somewhere where EOs aren't available.

The food was delicious though. I think I need to hire an Ethiopian wife cook.
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 07:20:10 AM »
Ahh. I agree with that as I didn't know your situation before. I'm going to visit a Malankara church today-and take communion. Pray for me!
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2014, 07:29:46 AM »
Ahh. I agree with that as I didn't know your situation before.

My situation is that my church is the second state church around here. OOs are just a tiny immigrant-based minority. Priests travel from abroad and services are conducted in EO churches.
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2014, 07:36:42 AM »
Woah. I haven't heard that one yet haha
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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 12:56:54 AM »
Woah. I haven't heard that one yet haha

With my Bishop's permission, the local Coptic community conducted their Divine Liturgy in St. Nicholas Antiochian Orthodox Church in Shreveport once a month on Saturday morning. The Holy Table had not yet been consecrated.

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Re: Ignorant EO attending Ethiopian services
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 10:44:09 PM »
With my Bishop's permission, the local Coptic community conducted their Divine Liturgy in St. Nicholas Antiochian Orthodox Church in Shreveport once a month on Saturday morning. The Holy Table had not yet been consecrated.

Happens all the time.. Here are some photos of the Malankara Syriac Orthodox Holy Qurbana (Divine Liturgy) celebrated at St. Nektarios Greek Orthodox Church, Charlotte, North Carolina





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