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Who/what all count as a Saint?
« on: May 23, 2014, 04:22:03 PM »
Thanks for all the information on these boards. They're invaluable to inquirers. Here's a question I've done a little searching to try to answer, but still have questions. I know that, in addition to the Church's martyrs, God-bearers, and so forth, the Holy Prophets count as saints. But: ( 1 ) Who else from the pre-Christian era might be ayioi? and what is the criteria? ( 2 ) After the schism, how are Western "saints" evaluated for sanctity? or are they ever? ( 3 ) Are biblical or divine qualities ever ayioi? For example, I understand that there was a real-life St. Sofia with daughters Agapi and so forth. But is that coincidental to Holy Wisdom, i.e., is Wisdom sainted itself?
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are

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Re: Who/what all count as a Saint?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 04:30:12 PM »
I know that, in addition to the Church's martyrs, God-bearers, and so forth, the Holy Prophets count as saints. But: ( 1 ) Who else from the pre-Christian era might be ayioi?

"Ancestors, fathers, patriarchs..."

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and what is the criteria?

Sanctity?  I'm not sure I understand the question. 

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( 2 ) After the schism, how are Western "saints" evaluated for sanctity? or are they ever?

Officially, post-schism "saints" of non-Orthodox Churches are not evaluated one way or the other. 

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( 3 ) Are biblical or divine qualities ever ayioi? For example, I understand that there was a real-life St. Sofia with daughters Agapi and so forth. But is that coincidental to Holy Wisdom, i.e., is Wisdom sainted itself?

"Holy Wisdom" is Christ.  We don't canonise qualities, virtues, "good stuff", etc.  :)
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The Gospel is quite clear: both saints and sinners love God. "Religious" people do not love him, and whenever they can, they crucify him.

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Re: Who/what all count as a Saint?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 04:39:15 PM »
Thank you. Hmm I think my post got kind of mired in its own language. Let me try to put some of it in a very practical way: Could one name a child after a "Saint" Filadelfia or Omilia or Alitheia? (and in re the Old Testament) after a St. Josiah or Jael (i.e., good characters but not prophets)?
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are

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Re: Who/what all count as a Saint?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2014, 04:42:08 PM »
Could one name a child after a "Saint" Filadelfia or Omilia or Alitheia?

If there was an actual person with that name recognised as a saint, why not? 

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(and in re the Old Testament) after a St. Josiah or Jael (i.e., good characters but not prophets)?

See above.  ;)

It's not necessary to be a "prophet", but it is necessary to be a saint. 
Quote from: Fr Alexander Schmemann
The Gospel is quite clear: both saints and sinners love God. "Religious" people do not love him, and whenever they can, they crucify him.

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Re: Who/what all count as a Saint?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2014, 06:23:37 PM »
Believe it or not, the Schlock Icons thread is really helping me understand some of this.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are