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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2014, 12:25:50 AM »

In other words its a nice way to enjoy people with cultures other than WASPism.

And yet another way to exercise that self-flagellating Western guilt and self-hatred.

Better to "flagellate" now than to wait till Judgment.
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« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2014, 02:00:45 PM »

  • I love that I have a leader named His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew. Smiley
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« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2014, 02:11:13 PM »

The part where you participate in Worship.
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« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2014, 05:31:56 PM »

The simple magic of walking into an Orthodox church. I suppose to us Westerns it is exotic. When we think of Orthodox we think either Russian or Greek. My dad thinks Russian when I have mentioned joining the Orthodox Church. My doctor when the Antiochian priest was visiting me in the hospital asked him, "Oh, like Greek Orthodox?" Whatever Church you visit--Greek, Russian, Antiochian--it's exotic. And heavenly. It's what the Catholic Church was in the Middle Ages many traditional Catholics may forget. There was, after all a wall dividing the priest from the faithful in the Middle Ages. And even at Trent though it was starting to fade away in those days. The whole exoticness. But not just the sensuous exoticness, but the heavenlyness. All the icons and how the whole church is designed to make you feel you are in heaven.
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« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2014, 06:21:14 PM »

  • I love that I have a leader named His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew. Smiley

'First among equals' really isn't a leader. He divides sometimes more often than he leads some will tell you.
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« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2014, 06:27:09 PM »

  • I love that I have a leader named His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew. Smiley

'First among equals' really isn't a leader. He divides sometimes more often than he leads some will tell you.

*shrug* He's a leader for me.
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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2014, 12:22:46 PM »

    • That I was joining a hundred generations in true friendship and worship

    This morning I was making prostrations and thinking about how hard it was to stand up again. When I came to "Grant, o Lord, remission of sins to all our fathers, brethren and sisters that have departed before us in the faith and hope of resurrection...", the thought hit me that the grandmothers from Reply #39 are praying with and for us, too.
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    « Reply #52 on: June 13, 2014, 08:04:23 PM »

    Theosis. Everything about Christianity makes more sense with theosis.

    I'm still trying to understand Theosis.
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    « Reply #53 on: June 13, 2014, 08:58:03 PM »

    As I enter the narthex and encounter the scent of the incense it's as if the Lord is wooing me to Himself to come into His presence and worship with His people.  You know you are in a holy place, standing there in fear, awe and wonder throughout the entire liturgy as you worship in communion with those around you.
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    « Reply #54 on: June 13, 2014, 10:46:36 PM »

    Theosis. Everything about Christianity makes more sense with theosis.

    I'm still trying to understand Theosis.

    I'm still trying to understand why supposedly it can be understood as the Catholic term beatitude as in the state of one in the Beatific Vision. If one removes seeing the essence of God from the mix, why can't we say Beatific Vision? That said, I do like the idea of theosis as it explains a lot about the fall even. That maybe the fruit was a means to theosis and Adam at it prematurely.
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    « Reply #55 on: June 21, 2014, 05:12:32 AM »

    Yeah, for me it's worshiping with all five senses, having such a responsive clergy and being part of such a rational Church.  Yes, I find the Orthodox mind to be quite rational.

    Orthodoxy is my JAM!
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    « Reply #56 on: June 21, 2014, 06:24:59 PM »

    Though I'm not yet a convert, I'll post a few things:

    1. Theosis-ever so much. The idea that we're not just worshipping God and Jesus as some kind of cosmic fire insurance against Hell, but that through our faith and prayer and living and by His grace we may enter glorious union with Him, be transfigured, sanctified and made radiant.

    2. On that note, mysticism, and the fact that the Orthodox Church makes room for contemplatives like me who are often somewhat marginalized by modern American Christianity.

    3. Liturgical languages-perhaps a more Biblical interpretation of "speaking in tongues". I'm a total language geek anyway, and while I know God hears us in every language, I love hearing and participating in prayer and worship through the diversity of human tongues.

    4. Community that is focused on recreating as best as humanly possible the Way of life and worship according to Jesus Himself.

    5. (on a slightly smaller note), this prayer:
    Lord, bless those who praise You and sanctify those who trust in You. Save Your people and bless Your inheritance. Protect the whole body of Your Church. Sanctify those who love the beauty of Your house. Glorify them in return by Your divine power, and do not forsake us who hope in You. Grant peace to Your world, to Your churches, to the clergy, to those in public service, to the armed forces, and to all Your people. For every good and perfect gift is from above, coming from You, the Father of lights. To You we give glory, thanksgiving, and worship, to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and forever and to the ages of ages.

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    « Reply #57 on: June 21, 2014, 07:35:03 PM »

    Though I'm not yet a convert, I'll post a few things:

    1. Theosis-ever so much. The idea that we're not just worshipping God and Jesus as some kind of cosmic fire insurance against Hell, but that through our faith and prayer and living and by His grace we may enter glorious union with Him, be transfigured, sanctified and made radiant.

    2. On that note, mysticism, and the fact that the Orthodox Church makes room for contemplatives like me who are often somewhat marginalized by modern American Christianity.

    3. Liturgical languages-perhaps a more Biblical interpretation of "speaking in tongues". I'm a total language geek anyway, and while I know God hears us in every language, I love hearing and participating in prayer and worship through the diversity of human tongues.

    4. Community that is focused on recreating as best as humanly possible the Way of life and worship according to Jesus Himself.

    5. (on a slightly smaller note), this prayer:
    Lord, bless those who praise You and sanctify those who trust in You. Save Your people and bless Your inheritance. Protect the whole body of Your Church. Sanctify those who love the beauty of Your house. Glorify them in return by Your divine power, and do not forsake us who hope in You. Grant peace to Your world, to Your churches, to the clergy, to those in public service, to the armed forces, and to all Your people. For every good and perfect gift is from above, coming from You, the Father of lights. To You we give glory, thanksgiving, and worship, to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and forever and to the ages of ages.



    Wow, +1. I could have written this post. Every word of it. Smiley
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    « Reply #58 on: June 22, 2014, 12:23:29 AM »

    4. Community that is focused on recreating as best as humanly possible the Way of life and worship according to Jesus Himself.

    I would offer a small suggestion on this one point. I think most Orthodox would say we don't recreate but rather that we continue. A small point, but perhaps with some significance.

    A very good list though. Smiley
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    « Reply #59 on: June 22, 2014, 12:38:26 AM »

    4. Community that is focused on recreating as best as humanly possible the Way of life and worship according to Jesus Himself.

    I would offer a small suggestion on this one point. I think most Orthodox would say we don't recreate but rather that we continue. A small point, but perhaps with some significance.

    A very good list though. Smiley

    Which is another thing grand: real documented provenance to the earliest centuries, for Orthodox practice, rather than the strident sophistications a seeker among Protestant sects becomes resigned to.
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    « Reply #60 on: June 22, 2014, 10:39:11 AM »

    Thanks, Anna T.!

    With regards to "re-create" vs. "continue", I only use the word "re-create" because the history of the apostolic succession is in some places a little fuzzy and hard to discern. That doesn't mean that it isn't mostly true, and I think in spirit Orthodoxy captures the apostolic church very well, but I feel that there isn't enough information to precisely equal the original church of the apostles. I would agree that it is a continuation, however.

    tl;dr-history is complicated, but I don't disagree with you
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    « Reply #61 on: June 25, 2014, 02:25:52 AM »

    I'm still trying to understand Theosis.

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    « Reply #62 on: June 25, 2014, 06:52:23 PM »

    I'm still trying to understand Theosis.

    You are what you eat.

     Cheesy lol. Though Eucharist alone isn't sufficient for theosis, I feel, though it contributes most definitely.
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    « Reply #63 on: June 25, 2014, 07:24:56 PM »

    I value the extensive use of psalms in worship. For me at least, it makes Orthodoxy more biblical than even the most austere of Protestants.
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    « Reply #64 on: June 25, 2014, 09:12:18 PM »

    Cheesy lol. Though Eucharist alone isn't sufficient for theosis, I feel, though it contributes most definitely

    I didn't have a proper catechumenate, but it seems to me that if God has instituted the Eucharist as the way to make us gods, who are we to refuse?
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    « Reply #65 on: June 26, 2014, 02:11:39 AM »

    • The Church Fathers and Mothers
    • "Friends" in High places Wink
    • The Icons, which I feel so beautifully encapsulate the Truth of the Orthodox Faith
    • The physicality of worship - crossing oneself, bowing, kissing, singing, praying, etc.
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    « Reply #66 on: June 26, 2014, 02:13:13 AM »

    I value the extensive use of psalms in worship. For me at least, it makes Orthodoxy more biblical than even the most austere of Protestants.

    Presbyterians and many other Calvinists traditionally sing nothing else.
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    « Reply #67 on: July 12, 2014, 01:51:03 PM »

    That hypocrisy and self-righteousness is worse than being a prostitute, just like in the Bible, but that prostitutes are not just said to be okay because they are "nice"people. You get the "Do not judge" without the stupid liberal relativism.
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    That hypocrisy and self-righteousness is worse than being a prostitute, just like in the Bible, but that prostitutes are not just said to be okay because they are "nice"people. You get the "Do not judge" without the stupid liberal relativism.

    Jesus liked saying, "Sin no more."  Huh.
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    « Reply #69 on: July 14, 2014, 09:47:39 PM »

    That hypocrisy and self-righteousness is worse than being a prostitute, just like in the Bible, but that prostitutes are not just said to be okay because they are "nice"people. You get the "Do not judge" without the stupid liberal relativism.

    Jesus liked saying, "Sin no more."  Huh.

    That;s my point. Jesus tells the prostitute to sin no more. He does not call on the law which rightly justifies stoning her. He shows mercy, asking the sinless to stone her. He could have stoned her but he did not. We are called to remember the danger of being the men stoning her in our righteousness. Or the publican who prays the Jesus Prayer, which should be ours.
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    « Reply #70 on: July 14, 2014, 10:37:58 PM »

    Something grand about Orthodoxy?

    The monks!
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