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« Reply #180 on: June 30, 2014, 11:27:14 PM »
This thread started crazy and got crazier, and then crazier.

You are in OC.net, duuuuh.

And also with you.

I don't know what you really mean by that, but I can't imagine it to be something nice, because that is who you are Mor, never say nice things to or about people.

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« Reply #181 on: June 30, 2014, 11:34:58 PM »
This thread started crazy and got crazier, and then crazier.

You are in OC.net, duuuuh.

And also with you.

I don't know what you really mean by that, but I can't imagine it to be something nice, because that is who you are Mor, never say nice things to or about people.

You said that Porter was on OCNet.  All I said was that you were too. 
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« Reply #182 on: July 01, 2014, 05:01:50 AM »
This thread started crazy and got crazier, and then crazier.

You are in OC.net, duuuuh.

And also with you.

I don't know what you really mean by that, but I can't imagine it to be something nice, because that is who you are Mor, never say nice things to or about people.

You said that Porter was on OCNet.  All I said was that you were too. 

My apologies.

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« Reply #183 on: July 01, 2014, 05:59:54 AM »
Raylight, you are asking the OT to do something that it was not intended to do. Like the Church, the Jews did not look at the OT as an individual inerrant document. It was always interpreted through tradition. If you would like, you can go through the ancient Jewish midrashes and some of them do condemn lesbianism along with homosexuality in general. You will find that they did not view lesbianism as wrong as male homosexuality because it was their view that women could not engage in actual intercourse with one another as men can, but it was still considered a rebellion against God.

I'm not asking what the Jewish Tradition said, I'm asking what the Bible said. Tradition is not inspired, the Bible is.  There is no verse condemns lesbian sex in the OT, that is now very clear to me. So, the Old Testament never condemned Homosexuality like some Christians claim, but it condemned male-male sex in two cases, when one of them is married to a woman and go have sex with a man, and the second case is male gang-rape like in Sodom.

I understand that some people will never ever ever accept that, they just can't accept it. But the fact is fact, even if the whole world didn't accept it.

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Where does it say in the bible "if it's not in the bible, don't believe it"?

It doesn't, so where's your Sola Scriptura logic now?

You sound like the typical heretical biblethumper using or not using scripture for you own individual twisted agenda.

Yea, sure ray, God's defintely into lesbian sex because "it's not in the bibble!" ::)
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« Reply #184 on: July 01, 2014, 10:12:33 AM »
Raylight, you are asking the OT to do something that it was not intended to do. Like the Church, the Jews did not look at the OT as an individual inerrant document. It was always interpreted through tradition. If you would like, you can go through the ancient Jewish midrashes and some of them do condemn lesbianism along with homosexuality in general. You will find that they did not view lesbianism as wrong as male homosexuality because it was their view that women could not engage in actual intercourse with one another as men can, but it was still considered a rebellion against God.

I'm not asking what the Jewish Tradition said, I'm asking what the Bible said. Tradition is not inspired, the Bible is.  There is no verse condemns lesbian sex in the OT, that is now very clear to me. So, the Old Testament never condemned Homosexuality like some Christians claim, but it condemned male-male sex in two cases, when one of them is married to a woman and go have sex with a man, and the second case is male gang-rape like in Sodom.

I understand that some people will never ever ever accept that, they just can't accept it. But the fact is fact, even if the whole world didn't accept it.

Peace.



Where does it say in the bible "if it's not in the bible, don't believe it"?

It doesn't, so where's your Sola Scriptura logic now?

You sound like the typical heretical biblethumper using or not using scripture for you own individual twisted agenda.

Yea, sure ray, God's defintely into lesbian sex because "it's not in the bibble!" ::)
The Bible also does not say you can't worship a planet. it says you can't worship other Gods, but nothing about planets. It also says not to be drunk by the fruit of the vine, but does not say beer, so therefore, grab some Old Rasputin and get tanked. Its ok! Its not in the Bible!

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« Reply #185 on: July 01, 2014, 10:21:59 AM »
Have a good life folks.


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« Reply #188 on: July 01, 2014, 11:14:09 AM »
I dont want the guy/girl to leave, but he/she is gonna have to have a better argument than the legalistic one.

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« Reply #189 on: July 01, 2014, 11:16:25 AM »
Folks, let's back off and let Raylight breathe for a while.

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Re: Gay Marriage...I don't care.
« Reply #191 on: July 02, 2014, 12:41:27 PM »
Raylight, you are asking the OT to do something that it was not intended to do. Like the Church, the Jews did not look at the OT as an individual inerrant document. It was always interpreted through tradition. If you would like, you can go through the ancient Jewish midrashes and some of them do condemn lesbianism along with homosexuality in general. You will find that they did not view lesbianism as wrong as male homosexuality because it was their view that women could not engage in actual intercourse with one another as men can, but it was still considered a rebellion against God.

I'm not asking what the Jewish Tradition said, I'm asking what the Bible said. Tradition is not inspired, the Bible is.  There is no verse condemns lesbian sex in the OT, that is now very clear to me. So, the Old Testament never condemned Homosexuality like some Christians claim, but it condemned male-male sex in two cases, when one of them is married to a woman and go have sex with a man, and the second case is male gang-rape like in Sodom.

I understand that some people will never ever ever accept that, they just can't accept it. But the fact is fact, even if the whole world didn't accept it.

Peace.




Why would lesbianism be alright as opposed to "male-male sex"?

Hmm. A book written by primitive, somewhat misogynistic men (no not me). Well, perhaps it has to do with the fact that in the minds of such men, male-male sex is seen as gross and disturbing whereas female-female sex is seen as attractive and romanticized. It could also do with the fact that the men were afraid of being too hard on the women, lest the women rebel and the men lose some of their rights (like having multiple wives). And it could also be simply that they couldn't fathom lesbian sex since I imagine they probably didn't care much about female anatomy and sexuality apart from their relation to men.

It certainly is interesting that the OT in many cases specifically addresses laws to both men and women, whereas some of the laws only address one group or the other. That being said, I have a Christianly-incorrect thought: maybe, as the Jews have been telling us all along, Leviticus only applied to the Levite Priesthood and thus only men, and that homosexuality was either allowed for the rest of the population or condemned via tradition or culture.
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« Reply #192 on: July 02, 2014, 12:45:39 PM »
That being said, I have a Christianly-incorrect thought...

Just one? 
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« Reply #193 on: July 02, 2014, 12:46:53 PM »
Keep looking for Scriptural justifications for your enjoyment of lesbian porn, James.
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« Reply #194 on: July 02, 2014, 12:53:46 PM »
Keep looking for Scriptural justifications for your enjoyment of lesbian porn, James.

Hey, I'm just being frank. It's a very serious possibility given the way some men are (and were back then) which may play some part in this.
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« Reply #195 on: July 02, 2014, 12:58:10 PM »
Keep looking for Scriptural justifications for your enjoyment of lesbian porn, James.

Hey, I'm just being frank. It's a very serious possibility given the way some men are (and were back then) which may play some part in this.

Do you really believe they didn't address female homosexuality because they didn't want to spoil their own fun? 
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« Reply #196 on: July 02, 2014, 12:58:49 PM »
I made this forum how long ago out of fraustration from turning on the 'news' to hear about gay marriage this, and gay marriage that.

I find it absolutely humorous that there has now been 195 replies, though in honesty I've read none of them.

Only on OC.net!


Meanwhile, a thread I started on the search for the Lost Ark received 12 views and 1 reply.
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« Reply #197 on: July 02, 2014, 01:01:05 PM »
Keep looking for Scriptural justifications for your enjoyment of lesbian porn, James.

Hey, I'm just being frank. It's a very serious possibility given the way some men are (and were back then) which may play some part in this.

Do you really believe they didn't address female homosexuality because they didn't want to spoil their own fun? 

of course he does.

He also thinks God made Tobacco so he could enjoy himself at the same time as praying.

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« Reply #198 on: July 02, 2014, 01:01:43 PM »
Keep looking for Scriptural justifications for your enjoyment of lesbian porn, James.

Hey, I'm just being frank. It's a very serious possibility given the way some men are (and were back then) which may play some part in this.

Do you really believe they didn't address female homosexuality because they didn't want to spoil their own fun? 

Possibly

They didn't address slavery and polygamy (at least didn't condemn them) either even though they condemned other morally abominable things. And in a polygamous society where I imagine that meeting the needs of your female partners would be difficult even for a man of your calibre, it could be that female homosexuality was viewed as a concession for females. Maybe outlawing female homosexuality would have threatened the polygamous system they had since the issue of men not being able to provide for multiple partners would have arose.
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« Reply #199 on: July 02, 2014, 01:03:02 PM »
Keep looking for Scriptural justifications for your enjoyment of lesbian porn, James.

Hey, I'm just being frank. It's a very serious possibility given the way some men are (and were back then) which may play some part in this.

Do you really believe they didn't address female homosexuality because they didn't want to spoil their own fun? 

of course he does.

He also thinks God made Tobacco so he could enjoy himself at the same time as praying.

consider the source here.....

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« Reply #200 on: July 02, 2014, 01:05:36 PM »
Keep looking for Scriptural justifications for your enjoyment of lesbian porn, James.

Hey, I'm just being frank. It's a very serious possibility given the way some men are (and were back then) which may play some part in this.

Do you really believe they didn't address female homosexuality because they didn't want to spoil their own fun? 

of course he does.

He also thinks God made Tobacco so he could enjoy himself at the same time as praying.

consider the source here.....

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« Reply #201 on: July 02, 2014, 01:47:46 PM »
A) They weren't a particularly polygamous society. Look at how agonized Abraham and Isaac were by the messes they got themselves into. And a warning in Moses against kings is that they would be polygamous.

B) The simple reason lesbianism was not addressed is because women were not thought of as having sex. Men have sex. They usually use women. Sometimes they use men, and that's forbidden. But women bear children.

This was not only the ancient mindset of Israel but also the idea in Rome at the time of St. Paul (and still the idea in some parts of San Francisco, but I digress) and in many other cultures. This is what was novel in St. Paul (he even had to invent a word) where he condemned man-bedders (my literal translation) as opposed to men-who-are-bedded. In the Roman mind, the former were just good old boys but the latter were sinful homosexuals.
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« Reply #202 on: July 02, 2014, 01:55:22 PM »
They didn't address slavery and polygamy (at least didn't condemn them) either even though they condemned other morally abominable things. And in a polygamous society where I imagine that meeting the needs of your female partners would be difficult even for a man of your calibre, it could be that female homosexuality was viewed as a concession for females. Maybe outlawing female homosexuality would have threatened the polygamous system they had since the issue of men not being able to provide for multiple partners would have arose.

Well, James, that was an exceptionally nice thing for you to say about my sexual prowess.  You get a free pass today, say any heretical thing you want. 
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