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Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« on: May 18, 2010, 01:10:10 PM »
Is it technology with nothing to worry about or is it a serious risk to Christians?

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/14/radio-frequency-rfid-implant/
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 01:51:52 PM »
Is it technology with nothing to worry about or is it a serious risk to Christians?

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/14/radio-frequency-rfid-implant/

It's something to be concerned about, but interpreting a first century text as a warning against RFID tags seems a little paranoid. I would be far more concerned about the potential for violations of civil liberties. If and when these tags are used on humans, the person in question should have complete control over them, with the ability to both monitor and regulate access to the tags and to turn them off altogether. There should also be zero tolerance for any government tracking, for any reason whatsoever, even to prevent a crime or terrorist attack. But, as long as basic privacy concerns are met, RFID tags represent the first step in what could be a great advancement for humanity. A RFID tag that can open doors or carry medical information may not be that big of a deal, probably not something people are going to cash out their savings to run and get. But what about a phone with an implanted speaker and earpiece...now your talking about something I might want. Some research is going on that would allow us to superimpose an electronic projection (a computer monitor, perhaps?) on the retina, I know something like that would eventually take off.

Technologically, this is nothing but a collection of transistors: copper, silicon, etc. It would be absurd to think there's something wrong with these tags in and of themselves, but we must always be on the guard against those who would do anything to increase their power at the expense of human liberty.
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 02:14:06 PM »
"We can rebuild him... We have the technology."  :laugh:

Is it technology with nothing to worry about or is it a serious risk to Christians?

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/14/radio-frequency-rfid-implant/

It's something to be concerned about, but interpreting a first century text as a warning against RFID tags seems a little paranoid. I would be far more concerned about the potential for violations of civil liberties. If and when these tags are used on humans, the person in question should have complete control over them, with the ability to both monitor and regulate access to the tags and to turn them off altogether. There should also be zero tolerance for any government tracking, for any reason whatsoever, even to prevent a crime or terrorist attack. But, as long as basic privacy concerns are met, RFID tags represent the first step in what could be a great advancement for humanity. A RFID tag that can open doors or carry medical information may not be that big of a deal, probably not something people are going to cash out their savings to run and get. But what about a phone with an implanted speaker and earpiece...now your talking about something I might want. Some research is going on that would allow us to superimpose an electronic projection (a computer monitor, perhaps?) on the retina, I know something like that would eventually take off.

Technologically, this is nothing but a collection of transistors: copper, silicon, etc. It would be absurd to think there's something wrong with these tags in and of themselves, but we must always be on the guard against those who would do anything to increase their power at the expense of human liberty.
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 02:28:13 PM »
"We can rebuild him... We have the technology."  :laugh:
Until eventually you end up with something like this:
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 06:23:09 PM »
Is it technology with nothing to worry about or is it a serious risk to Christians?

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/14/radio-frequency-rfid-implant/

It's something to be concerned about, but interpreting a first century text as a warning against RFID tags seems a little paranoid. I would be far more concerned about the potential for violations of civil liberties. If and when these tags are used on humans, the person in question should have complete control over them, with the ability to both monitor and regulate access to the tags and to turn them off altogether. There should also be zero tolerance for any government tracking, for any reason whatsoever, even to prevent a crime or terrorist attack. But, as long as basic privacy concerns are met, RFID tags represent the first step in what could be a great advancement for humanity. A RFID tag that can open doors or carry medical information may not be that big of a deal, probably not something people are going to cash out their savings to run and get. But what about a phone with an implanted speaker and earpiece...now your talking about something I might want. Some research is going on that would allow us to superimpose an electronic projection (a computer monitor, perhaps?) on the retina, I know something like that would eventually take off.

Technologically, this is nothing but a collection of transistors: copper, silicon, etc. It would be absurd to think there's something wrong with these tags in and of themselves, but we must always be on the guard against those who would do anything to increase their power at the expense of human liberty.

I'll agree with you to a certain extent. Big government finds ways of implementing certain ideas that sound enticing at first but through progression and time seem over intrusive. Take Social security for instance. It's original intent is to fund workers retirements which is a great idea. Certain companies, creditors and credit report agencies through the freedom act. Found ways to use the system as a harness to control money and credit for every individual in America and beyond.  Freedom can sometimes work against you. Could you imagine creditors with this type of power?
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 07:57:33 PM »
Wow! Technology is the mark of the beast! I just now heard that theory, which no one has ever proposed before! It's got to be absolutely true!!!!!!1!!!1111!
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 11:32:18 PM »
Wow! Technology is the mark of the beast! I just now heard that theory, which no one has ever proposed before! It's got to be absolutely true!!!!!!1!!!1111!
Not technology, but the economy.
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2010, 12:15:45 AM »
I don't see what good it could do to implant people with chips. It is pointless and I think it will evolve into something bad that would violate people's rights.

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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2010, 12:21:04 AM »
I don't see what good it could do to implant people with chips. It is pointless and I think it will evolve into something bad that would violate people's rights.
Are you speaking only of RFID tags, or any chip?  Since there are countless medical innovations-in-waiting that revolve around the integrating of chips or nanotechnology into the body.
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2010, 12:23:31 AM »
I don't see what good it could do to implant people with chips. It is pointless and I think it will evolve into something bad that would violate people's rights.
Are you speaking only of RFID tags, or any chip?  Since there are countless medical innovations-in-waiting that revolve around the integrating of chips or nanotechnology into the body.

Any chip really. They can be used for medical or other uses as well. Its the other uses that I'm most weary of. It can enable the government to track people and know where people are at all times which I see as a problem.
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 12:26:00 AM »
Any chip really. They can be used for medical or other uses as well. Its the other uses that I'm most weary of.

Which is why Open Technology and Open Source software are such important movements.  :)
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2010, 12:27:35 AM »
I'm on this forum so much I feel like I'm already half digital.

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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2010, 12:30:21 AM »
Any chip really. They can be used for medical or other uses as well. Its the other uses that I'm most weary of.

Which is why Open Technology and Open Source software are such important movements.  :)

Sorry for the ignorance, but what do these organizations do?

I'm not up to speed on my technological knowledge (unless of course it is technology from Star Wars which I probably know a little too much about).  ;D

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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2010, 12:36:54 AM »
I'm on this forum so much I feel like I'm already half digital.

I know what you mean. Thats why I'm not really too excited about technological "achievements." I think with too much pointless technology, we in the end will sacrifice our humanity to machines. How much of my life has already been wasted on the internet, TV, video games, etc.? Too much. What am I still doing here? I'm not really sure.

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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2010, 12:41:48 AM »
Any chip really. They can be used for medical or other uses as well. Its the other uses that I'm most weary of.

Which is why Open Technology and Open Source software are such important movements.  :)

Sorry for the ignorance, but what do these organizations do?

I'm not up to speed on my technological knowledge (unless of course it is technology from Star Wars which I probably know a little too much about).  ;D

They are philosophies/methodologies (though there are some corporation built around it, like the Free Software Foundation), which state that the end-user must have complete access to the source code or schematics of a piece of technology or software.  Not only can one dig into and modify all aspects of the piece of software/technology, but they can also distribute their modifications freely.
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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2010, 12:47:26 AM »
Any chip really. They can be used for medical or other uses as well. Its the other uses that I'm most weary of.

Which is why Open Technology and Open Source software are such important movements.  :)

Sorry for the ignorance, but what do these organizations do?

I'm not up to speed on my technological knowledge (unless of course it is technology from Star Wars which I probably know a little too much about).  ;D

They are philosophies/methodologies (though there are some corporation built around it, like the Free Software Foundation), which state that the end-user must have complete access to the source code or schematics of a piece of technology or software.  Not only can one dig into and modify all aspects of the piece of software/technology, but they can also distribute their modifications freely.

Ok, thanks for explaining that to me.  :) Seems like a good idea.

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Re: Get in line for the "Mark of the beast"
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2010, 12:24:12 PM »
Any chip really. They can be used for medical or other uses as well. Its the other uses that I'm most weary of.

Which is why Open Technology and Open Source software are such important movements.  :)

Hear, hear! Some things are simply too important to allow proprietary systems to control.
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