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Saint Odran
« on: May 15, 2014, 12:19:50 PM »
I was reading about this saints, when I came across this:

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Another legend tells that the chapel that Saint Columba wanted to build on Iona was destroyed every night. Finally he was told by a voice that it could never be finished until a living man was buried below. So Odran was buried alive willingly and the chapel could be finished. But one day he pushed his head through the wall and said that there was no hell as was supposed nor heaven that people talk about. Alarmed by this Columba let Odran's body be variously covered with earth more securely or removed with haste.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odran_of_Iona

So... are we to take this as a mere legend? I know that in Denmark, foundation sacrifices were practiced by some christians for a short while, before the Church put a stop to it, but I have never heard instances of human sacrifice though.
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Re: Saint Odran
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2014, 12:28:26 PM »
I was reading about this saints, when I came across this:

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Another legend tells that the chapel that Saint Columba wanted to build on Iona was destroyed every night. Finally he was told by a voice that it could never be finished until a living man was buried below. So Odran was buried alive willingly and the chapel could be finished. But one day he pushed his head through the wall and said that there was no hell as was supposed nor heaven that people talk about. Alarmed by this Columba let Odran's body be variously covered with earth more securely or removed with haste.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odran_of_Iona

So... are we to take this as a mere legend? I know that in Denmark, foundation sacrifices were practiced by some christians for a short while, before the Church put a stop to it, but I have never heard instances of human sacrifice though.

Maybe they really wanted to build over a martyr and couldn't wait.
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Re: Saint Odran
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2014, 09:20:59 PM »
Practice of human foundation sacrifices has been evidenced in Phoenecia, Egypt (but only First Kingdom, a very long time ago), the vast horn-of-Africa civilization (its proper name escapes me now), and parts of China. I've never heard of its being a practice among Europeans per se. Animal foundation sacrifices, on the other hand, seem to have been ubiquitous wherever animal sacrifice was practiced.

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Re: Saint Odran
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2014, 09:59:14 PM »
"No hell as was supposed nor heaven that people talk about." What would this even mean?

But here it mentions that "Iona’s cemetery grew around Otteran’s burial plot." I'm inclined to consider the foundation sacrifice to be a popular legend or something.

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Columba saw devils and angels fight over Odran's soul before it ascended into heaven.
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