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Offline Urban_Monk

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Recommendations for seekers
« on: May 13, 2014, 07:22:19 PM »
Can anyone give recommendations on good books and (or especially) videos and any other resources like websites for those inquiring about Orthodoxy ?

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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2014, 07:30:56 PM »
Can anyone give recommendations on good books and (or especially) videos and any other resources like websites for those inquiring about Orthodoxy ?

I'm sure this has been done...sry

The Orthodox Church, and The Orthodox Way, by Bishop Kallistos Ware are two oft-recommended books. Both should cover some of the basics.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Orthodox-Church-New-Edition/dp/0140146563

http://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Way-Kallistos-Ware-ebook/dp/B008P0J5R6/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1400023850&sr=1-1&keywords=the+orthodox+way

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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 07:40:20 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/user/GreekOrthodoxChurch/videos

Documentaries, talks, interviews

http://www.ancientfaith.com/

Catechism of St. Philaret (Drozdov) of Moscow

http://www.goarch.org/

http://www.antiochian.org/

http://oca.org/orthodoxy

http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/

The Philokalia and Desert Fathers would be recommended reads. Bishop Kallistos Ware's talks are all over Youtube, they are good as well.
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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 08:32:43 PM »
The Philokalia and Desert Fathers would be recommended reads.

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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 08:44:53 PM »
The Philokalia and Desert Fathers would be recommended reads. Bishop Kallistos Ware's talks are all over Youtube, they are good as well.

I was under the impression that one needs to use discretion and context in order to glean from the writings of the Desert Fathers (just like how one doesn't immediately jump into reading The Ladder of Divine Ascent) - is this an incorrect assumption?

Just to be clear I'm talking about something like this.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/132153.The_Sayings_of_the_Desert_Fathers?ac=1
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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2014, 08:52:48 PM »
'The Orthodox Church' by Kallistos Ware

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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2014, 09:16:47 PM »
^ Mor, icecreamsandwich

It wasn't my intention to teach the Philokalia to the OP, only to introduce him to examples of Orthodox spirituality which those works represent.
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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2014, 09:17:42 PM »
Any topics in particular you are interested in?
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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2014, 10:38:36 PM »
I like the videos that are posted on the GreeK Orthodox website www.goarch.org
They are professionally produced, very basic in information,  and insightful at the same time.

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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2014, 10:43:29 PM »
Any topics in particular you are interested in?

Perhaps something apologetic... like on the topic of papal supremacy, and whatever else the Orthodox disagree with the RCC about. Just so I can get both sides...
Are there any debates on video etc ?

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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2014, 08:28:11 PM »
^ Mor, icecreamsandwich

It wasn't my intention to teach the Philokalia to the OP, only to introduce him to examples of Orthodox spirituality which those works represent.

My apologies - I didn't mean to pass judgment on your selections, or sound as if that was I was doing. I was hoping to clarify an assumption I had about the book that I'd linked (lest I jump into something I'm not ready for). Again, my apologies.
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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2014, 10:56:23 PM »
Any topics in particular you are interested in?

Perhaps something apologetic... like on the topic of papal supremacy, and whatever else the Orthodox disagree with the RCC about. Just so I can get both sides...
Are there any debates on video etc ?

From my experience, if you have Papal primacy solved there's really no more debate.  For instance, you can't use the fillioque as way to choose between the two churches if you still believe in Papal primacy.

As for books, Michael Whelton's "Two Paths" was a good but short read.  Fr. John Meyendorff edited a collection of essays on the topic entitled "The Primacy of Peter: Essays in Ecclesiology and the Early Church" which I've heard is good (I haven't been able to get my hands on it yet).  Also from Whelton is "Popes and Patriarchs".

Now as far as online resources (where the fun really begins) I have a handful of links I've kept on hand since my own days of being an enquirer.

It comes from an evangelical website, but it's a good discussion on how various Church Fathers interpreted Matthew 16:18:
http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/mt16.html

I know it's wikipedia but the sources cited check out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_opposition_to_papal_supremacy

Fr. Vladimir Guettee's "The Papacy" is very polemical but I found the historical analysis (beyond his discussion of I Clement, which is flawed) to be worth a read:
http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/Guettee_ThePapacy.pdf

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Re: Recommendations for seekers
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2014, 11:38:03 PM »
I think getting a grounding in the fundamentals of belief and practice makes sense before going on to more lofty spiritual literature, but in general I wouldn't echo warnings about with reading the Philokalia, Sayings of the Desert Fathers, etc.*, supposing you are able to approach them with a healthy or balanced point of view. After all, one could also take many passages in Scripture and go sort of crazy with them, or get driven into despair or delusion. I think the important thing is moderation and sobriety, and that we be sure that any zeal comes from our experience with God's grace, and not our own cravings or personality quirks. This is not to say that I disagree per se with the above warnings, which I think are good to hear; I just wouldn't go as far.

Anyway, my favorites/recommendations (including for apologetic purposes) would probably be:

- The Orthodox Way, by Met. Kallistos Ware. A good overview of the general direction of Orthodox spirituality.
- The Way of the Ascetics, by Tito Colliander. Along the lines of some of what is in the Philokalia, but written for lay people in the world.
- The Christian Tradition: A History of the Development of Doctrine, by Jaroslav Pelikan. A good 5-volume history of Christianity written in a generally even-handed manner.
- Father Arseny, 1893-1973: Priest, Prisoner, Spiritual Father. An inspirational story of a modern saint.
- The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture, Fr. John Anthony McGuckin. An intro like The Orthodox Church by Met. Kallistos, but less popular level.
- You Are Peter: An Orthodox Reflection on the Exercise of Papal Primacy, by Olivier Clement. An irenic if brief look at the topic by an Orthodox Christian.
- The Primacy of Peter: Essays in Ecclesiology and the Early Church, by John Meyendorff. I agree with the above recommendation by Sam G.

The two Whelton books are also options. I find them a bit too polemical and... . . well I'll just leave it at that, it's been too long since I read them to say much with accuracy.

Another book that I have on a list to buy, but haven't read yet, is Petrine Ministry: Catholics And Orthodox In Dialogue, edited by Walter Cardinal Kasper, which includes presentations by both Catholic and Orthodox scholars.

Other things to consider for reading material, not dealing with arguments from an apologetic perspective, but rather a historical one, is how the Church in various places dealt with divisions and attempts at unification, like the Meletian schism, the Council of Florence, The Photian schism, etc.


*On rereading the thread I see that no one here spoke of caution regarding the Sayings of the Desert Fathers, I must have been thinking of a previous thread with that one in particular.
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