Author Topic: Size of Chalice  (Read 659 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Hamartolos

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 768
Size of Chalice
« on: May 11, 2014, 11:44:29 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGK3Qf0M4A

Is the size of this chalice on the altar the norm for large cathedrals?  It took me by surprise that there is just one huge cup instead of several chalices for communion.

Any input would be appreciated!
Formerly known as "mctavix"

Offline mildert

  • Deacon Philip
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 113
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2014, 10:00:36 AM »
Not always quite this big, but during the Consecration of the Gifts only 1 Chalice is used to emphasize the unity - before the Communion of the Faithful, the contents may be separated into several Chalices.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGK3Qf0M4A

Is the size of this chalice on the altar the norm for large cathedrals?  It took me by surprise that there is just one huge cup instead of several chalices for communion.

Any input would be appreciated!
In XC,

Deacon Philip

Offline isaelie

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 10:18:29 PM »
fish n chips  :police:

Offline Hamartolos

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 768
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 04:43:18 PM »
Not always quite this big, but during the Consecration of the Gifts only 1 Chalice is used to emphasize the unity - before the Communion of the Faithful, the contents may be separated into several Chalices.


Thanks a lot for your answer.  Just out of curiosity, does anybody know how they are able to divide up such a large chalice without spilling anything?  I've only ever seen two chalices at most but that looks like it would be a tough task and I'm wondering if they use something special to do this.
Formerly known as "mctavix"

Offline Mor Ephrem

  • The Fourteenth Apostle and Judge of the Interwebs
  • Section Moderator
  • Stratopedarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 20,629
    • OrthodoxChristianity.net
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 04:49:34 PM »
Perhaps there's a "great and holy ladle"...I've never seen such a thing, but I wouldn't be surprised. 
"Do not tempt the Mor thy Mod."

Mor no longer posts on OCNet.  He follows threads, posts his responses daily, occasionally starts threads, and responds to private messages when and as he wants.  But he really isn't around anymore.


Offline Hamartolos

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 768
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 04:51:39 PM »
Perhaps there's a "great and holy ladle"...I've never seen such a thing, but I wouldn't be surprised. 

Just looking at the size and how much has to be in there, I don't see how else they could divide up the communion into smaller chalices.
Formerly known as "mctavix"

Offline Alpo

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,316
  • My borcht recipe is better than your borcht recipe
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 05:11:35 PM »
Russians? Why I am not suprised.

There are chalices and then there are Russian chalices.

Offline Deacon Lance

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,141
  • Faith: Byzantine Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Archeparchy of Pittsburgh
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 05:32:50 PM »
Perhaps there's a "great and holy ladle"...I've never seen such a thing, but I wouldn't be surprised. 
The one I remember looked like a teplota cup with a long handle.  Sofrino probably makes them.
My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.

Offline Mor Ephrem

  • The Fourteenth Apostle and Judge of the Interwebs
  • Section Moderator
  • Stratopedarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 20,629
    • OrthodoxChristianity.net
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2014, 05:39:39 PM »
Perhaps there's a "great and holy ladle"...I've never seen such a thing, but I wouldn't be surprised. 
The one I remember looked like a teplota cup with a long handle.  Sofrino probably makes them.

What doesn't Sofrino make?  :)
"Do not tempt the Mor thy Mod."

Mor no longer posts on OCNet.  He follows threads, posts his responses daily, occasionally starts threads, and responds to private messages when and as he wants.  But he really isn't around anymore.


Offline Jovan

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 522
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2014, 05:56:01 PM »
The best of Orthodoxy, only in Russia. In theatres this may hahah
“Belatedly I loved thee, O Beauty so ancient and so new, belatedly I loved thee. For see, thou wast within and I was without, and I sought thee out there."

Offline LBK

  • No Reporting Allowed
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 12,247
  • Holy Father Patrick, pray for us!
  • Faith: Orthodox
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2014, 07:14:03 PM »
Perhaps there's a "great and holy ladle"...I've never seen such a thing, but I wouldn't be surprised. 
The one I remember looked like a teplota cup with a long handle.  Sofrino probably makes them.

What doesn't Sofrino make?  :)

Very little, from what I've seen. They even make things which many a priest didn't know existed.  :laugh:
No longer posting here. Anyone is welcome to email me at the address in my profile.

Offline TheTrisagion

  • The Purple Demon is gonna get you if you don't watch out!
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 11,350
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2014, 07:21:55 PM »
Everyone needs one of these.

Quote from: Mor Ephrem
Why can't you just take your spiritual edification like a man? 

Offline Gunnarr

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,912
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2014, 01:01:21 AM »
Everyone needs one of these.


I am forbidden from seeing that
I am a demonic servant! Beware!

Offline frjohnmorris

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,177
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2014, 01:31:16 AM »
Not always quite this big, but during the Consecration of the Gifts only 1 Chalice is used to emphasize the unity - before the Communion of the Faithful, the contents may be separated into several Chalices.


Thanks a lot for your answer.  Just out of curiosity, does anybody know how they are able to divide up such a large chalice without spilling anything?  I've only ever seen two chalices at most but that looks like it would be a tough task and I'm wondering if they use something special to do this.

A Priest could use the Communion  Spoon. All it takes to consecrate the wine is a few drops of consecrated wine. The same idea is found during the Divine Liturgy of the Prescantified Gifts, when placing a piece of the consecrated lamb into the unconsecrated wine in the Chalice consecrates the wine in the Chalice.  Years ago St. Vlacimir's Press published a book that discusses this issue. I believe that it is called "Evening Worship in the Orthodox Church."

Fr. John W. Morris.

Offline mildert

  • Deacon Philip
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 113
Re: Size of Chalice
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2014, 06:29:39 AM »
Indeed a ladle is used to put the Holy Gifts into smaller chalices.



Not always quite this big, but during the Consecration of the Gifts only 1 Chalice is used to emphasize the unity - before the Communion of the Faithful, the contents may be separated into several Chalices.


Thanks a lot for your answer.  Just out of curiosity, does anybody know how they are able to divide up such a large chalice without spilling anything?  I've only ever seen two chalices at most but that looks like it would be a tough task and I'm wondering if they use something special to do this.
In XC,

Deacon Philip