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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2017, 01:33:26 PM »
"Поминáйте настáвники вáша и́же глагóлаша вáмъ слóво Бж҃ıе"
Did you type this, or did you copy and paste it from some Bible? The only "copy-and-pasteable" CS Bible I've found was in all modern Cyrillic alphabet.

I generally use Azbyka.ru but it spells out abbreviated words and only utilizes a select few of the archaic letters. To get "Бж҃ıе," I had to find the necessary characters elsewhere.

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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2017, 02:00:38 PM »
"Поминáйте настáвники вáша и́же глагóлаша вáмъ слóво Бж҃ıе"
Did you type this, or did you copy and paste it from some Bible? The only "copy-and-pasteable" CS Bible I've found was in all modern Cyrillic alphabet.

I generally use Azbyka.ru but it spells out abbreviated words and only utilizes a select few of the archaic letters. To get "Бж҃ıе," I had to find the necessary characters elsewhere.

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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2017, 02:26:56 AM »
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2017, 06:35:49 AM »
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Psalm 79, 15-16 (that's also used as bishop blessing during the trisagion)
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2017, 07:09:08 AM »
More specifically, it's from an adaption of that psalm bit in a prayer uttered by the Grand Prince at the consecration of the Church of the Tithes. This particular version of the full prayer, slightly different from what appears in the manuscripts of the Primary Chronicle, can be found in Russian here. The bolded parts of the initial lines are those words that appear on the icon itself:

"Lord God, look down from Heaven and behold, and visit Your vineyard, and accomplish that which Your right hand has planted. Look down upon this new people of Yours, whose hearts You have changed towards understanding, to know You, the True God!"
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 07:19:44 AM by Hawkeye »
"Take heed, you who listen to me: Our misfortune is inevitable, we cannot escape it. If God allows scandals, it is that the elect shall be revealed. Let them be burned, let them be purified, let them who have been tried be made manifest among you."   - The Life of the Archpriest Avvakum by Himself

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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2017, 07:20:04 AM »
I accidentally quoted myself so here's the full prayer courtesy of OCA.org, which I had used as the basis for my translation:

"O Lord God, look down from Heaven and behold, and visit Your vineyard, which Your right hand has planted. And make this new people, whom You have converted in heart and mind to know You, the True God. And look down upon this Your church, which Your unworthy servant has built in the name of the Mother Who gave birth to Thee, the Ever-Virgin Theotokos. And whoever prays in this church, let his prayer be heard, through the prayers of the All-Pure Mother of God."

In my research, I found, however, that this likewise doesn't quite accord with the prayer as it appears in the Primary Chronicle, and is rather a translation of a different Russian variant.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 07:29:51 AM by Hawkeye »
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2017, 03:11:34 AM »
Very interesting.  Thanks, Hawkeye.
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2017, 06:29:33 PM »
For future reference:

Quote from: The Russian Primary Chronicle
6502-6504 (994-996). Vladimir, upon seeing his church completed, entered it and prayed to God, saying, "Lord God! Look down from heaven, behold and visit thy vineyard, and perfect what thy right hand has begun. Make these new people, whose heart thou hast turned unto wisdom, to know thee as the true God. Look upon this thy church which I, thine unworthy servant, have builded in the name of the Ever-Virgin Mother of-God who bore thee. Through the intercession of the Immaculate Virgin, hear the supplication of whosoever shall pray in this church." After he had offered this prayer, he added, "I bestow upon this church of the Holy Virgin a tithe of my property and of my cities." Then he wrote out a donation and deposited it in the church, declaring, "If anyone violates this promise, may he be accursed." So he gave the tithe to Anastasius of Kherson, and made a great festival on that day for the boyars and elders of the people, distributing also much largess to the poor.
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2017, 10:42:01 PM »
Did you translate that yourself, Rapha? If so, what source did you use?
« Last Edit: June 25, 2017, 10:42:30 PM by Hawkeye »
"Take heed, you who listen to me: Our misfortune is inevitable, we cannot escape it. If God allows scandals, it is that the elect shall be revealed. Let them be burned, let them be purified, let them who have been tried be made manifest among you."   - The Life of the Archpriest Avvakum by Himself

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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2017, 11:04:03 PM »
Did you translate that yourself, Rapha? If so, what source did you use?
No, it's a Cambridge translation from the Laurentian text, you can easily find a PDF, but I don't think the forum rules allow these links. I really liked it, so I posted it here so it would be saved somewhere.  :P
« Last Edit: June 25, 2017, 11:04:34 PM by RaphaCam »
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2017, 12:47:44 AM »
Did you translate that yourself, Rapha? If so, what source did you use?
No, it's a Cambridge translation from the Laurentian text, you can easily find a PDF, but I don't think the forum rules allow these links. I really liked it, so I posted it here so it would be saved somewhere.  :P

Thanks. All cards on the table, I have done no meaningful study of old Slavic languages and even my Russian is rather mediocre. The quote above helped me with some terms I might have mistaken otherwise. That said, the translator did make some questionable choices, not least of all being their refusal to deal with "Бц҃а" directly.
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2017, 02:30:22 AM »


Saint Joseph of Volokolamsk

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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2017, 04:25:28 AM »
Psalm 38:9 (37:10, LXX):

Lord, before You is all my desire, and my sighing is not hidden from You.

As a side note, the way his hand is positioned makes me think someone was trying to pull a fast one. The icon's style aside, it is potentially arguable whether he is blessing according to the Old Rite or the New.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2017, 04:27:48 AM by Hawkeye »
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2017, 06:36:38 AM »
Thank you, Hawkeye.  Interesting.
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2017, 03:36:36 AM »


St. john the Clairvoyant of Egypt
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2017, 07:18:25 AM »
Be humble, o children, in little and great things.
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2017, 12:50:29 PM »
Be humble, o children, in little and great things.

Thank you, Dominika!
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2017, 04:42:51 PM »
Be humble, o children, in little and great things.

Very nice.
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2017, 04:28:43 AM »
St. Jonah of Manchuria (or Hankou)



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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2017, 04:46:12 AM »
For the second icon:

"Podvig - this is, having forgotten yourself and your own good, to be a support for everyone. Podvig - this is a life for others."

The second line appears on the first icon.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2017, 04:51:00 AM by Hawkeye »
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Re: Icon translation
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2017, 04:47:49 AM »
Thanks, Hawkeye.

I like that line.
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