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Matins Gospel Procession
« on: May 03, 2014, 05:19:18 PM »
So in the GOA we normally process the Gospel after it is read, during the chanting of the 50th Psalm. 

We process it to the Narthex & leave it to be venerated by the faithful throughout the end of the Orthros & the Divine Liturgy. 

My question is...do we do this during the Pentecostarion period? 

It seems to me that every Sunday is like Pascha...and is celebrated almost like a Feast Day, not a normal Sunday.


My other question is...is the Gospel read from the side of the altar, or in front of the people? 
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 05:33:32 PM »
So in the GOA we normally process the Gospel after it is read, during the chanting of the 50th Psalm. 

We process it to the Narthex & leave it to be venerated by the faithful throughout the end of the Orthros & the Divine Liturgy. 

My question is...do we do this during the Pentecostarion period? 

It seems to me that every Sunday is like Pascha...and is celebrated almost like a Feast Day, not a normal Sunday.


My other question is...is the Gospel read from the side of the altar, or in front of the people? 

Ask your priest.  :P




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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 06:14:19 PM »
For a Resurrection Sunday the Gospel is read by the priest from the south side if the altar. As far as being venerated by the faithful, it is done on all l Sundays not of the first class though Thomas Sunday is  a hybrid sharing both first class feast qualities as well as those of a typical Resurrection Sunday.  The rest of the Sundays of have readings from the Eothina and thus there will be a veneration.
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 10:32:05 PM »
I guess then St. Thomas Sunday was my real throw-off b/c I was trying to figure it out ALL day that day.  ISTM that it's one of those days you could do either/or….no?
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 10:32:25 PM »
So in the GOA we normally process the Gospel after it is read, during the chanting of the 50th Psalm. 

We process it to the Narthex & leave it to be venerated by the faithful throughout the end of the Orthros & the Divine Liturgy. 

My question is...do we do this during the Pentecostarion period? 

It seems to me that every Sunday is like Pascha...and is celebrated almost like a Feast Day, not a normal Sunday.


My other question is...is the Gospel read from the side of the altar, or in front of the people? 

Ask your priest.  :P




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I tried…he wasn't available for comment.   ;) :o :-*
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 11:51:27 PM »
For a Resurrection Sunday the Gospel is read by the priest from the south side if the altar. As far as being venerated by the faithful, it is done on all l Sundays not of the first class though Thomas Sunday is  a hybrid sharing both first class feast qualities as well as those of a typical Resurrection Sunday.  The rest of the Sundays of have readings from the Eothina and thus there will be a veneration.
Gospels of the eothinon, that is a Resurrection Gospel, are read from the south side of the Holy Table in memory of the angels who stood at the sides of the empty tomb. Feast day Gospels are read from the Ambon the same way that the Priest reads the Gospel during the Divine Liturgy. In Antiochian tradition when a Gospel of the eothinon is read, the Priest brings the Gospel out of the Altar to the Solea for the people to venerate the icon of the Resurrection on the cover of the Gospel. There is no veneration of the Gospel when a feast day Gospel is read.

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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2014, 07:09:30 AM »
For a Resurrection Sunday the Gospel is read by the priest from the south side if the altar. As far as being venerated by the faithful, it is done on all l Sundays not of the first class though Thomas Sunday is  a hybrid sharing both first class feast qualities as well as those of a typical Resurrection Sunday.  The rest of the Sundays of have readings from the Eothina and thus there will be a veneration.
Gospels of the eothinon, that is a Resurrection Gospel, are read from the south side of the Holy Table in memory of the angels who stood at the sides of the empty tomb. Feast day Gospels are read from the Ambon the same way that the Priest reads the Gospel during the Divine Liturgy. In Antiochian tradition when a Gospel of the eothinon is read, the Priest brings the Gospel out of the Altar to the Solea for the people to venerate the icon of the Resurrection on the cover of the Gospel. There is no veneration of the Gospel when a feast day Gospel is read.

Fr. John W. Morris.

Uh, yeah, That's pretty much exactly what I wrote. Why quote me and then rephrase?
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2014, 01:15:11 PM »
For a Resurrection Sunday the Gospel is read by the priest from the south side if the altar. As far as being venerated by the faithful, it is done on all l Sundays not of the first class though Thomas Sunday is  a hybrid sharing both first class feast qualities as well as those of a typical Resurrection Sunday.  The rest of the Sundays of have readings from the Eothina and thus there will be a veneration.
Gospels of the eothinon, that is a Resurrection Gospel, are read from the south side of the Holy Table in memory of the angels who stood at the sides of the empty tomb. Feast day Gospels are read from the Ambon the same way that the Priest reads the Gospel during the Divine Liturgy. In Antiochian tradition when a Gospel of the eothinon is read, the Priest brings the Gospel out of the Altar to the Solea for the people to venerate the icon of the Resurrection on the cover of the Gospel. There is no veneration of the Gospel when a feast day Gospel is read.

Fr. John W. Morris.

Uh, yeah, That's pretty much exactly what I wrote. Why quote me and then rephrase?

Because it might be helpful to hear (a confirmation from?) from a priest who does this for a living? 
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2014, 02:43:04 PM »
^Yeah, because I'm an idiot; never mind that I've chanted Sunday Orthros  pretty much every Sunday for the last 10 years and doesn't know what is going on.
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2014, 02:56:36 PM »
In the Eastern style, its read in front of the people. It may be to the side or some other liturgical arrangement. But that is what a fully-ordained Deacon is for.  
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2014, 03:04:00 PM »
^Yeah, because I'm an idiot; never mind that I've chanted Sunday Orthros  pretty much every Sunday for the last 10 years and doesn't know what is going on.

I have at least as much experience as you (if not more), but I would still have no problem deferring to a priest on rubrical questions concerning services that are in a special way his responsibility, even when our answers agree.  That you saw the need to pick on a 30+ year veteran archpriest for agreeing with your experience gained from a decade of weekly singing says more about you than it does about redundancy.    
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2014, 05:05:45 PM »
^Yeah, because I'm an idiot; never mind that I've chanted Sunday Orthros  pretty much every Sunday for the last 10 years and doesn't know what is going on.

I have at least as much experience as you (if not more), but I would still have no problem deferring to a priest on rubrical questions concerning services that are in a special way his responsibility, even when our answers agree.  That you saw the need to pick on a 30+ year veteran archpriest for agreeing with your experience gained from a decade of weekly singing says more about you than it does about redundancy.    

The original question was directed to the board as a whole so I answered.  Fr. John Morris, the archpriest in question, also answered essentially recapping what I wrote which made me wonder why he would quote me only to restate me.  I'm not picking on him. That you take such umbrage over a dialgoue that does not directly concern you says much about you.   

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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2014, 06:34:14 PM »
That you take such umbrage over a dialgoue that does not directly concern you says much about you.   

I did not comment on a PM, but on a public post.  Were I to comment on my PM's, I should have a lot to say.  Anyway, I hope the opportunity to use "umbrage" made you feel better. 
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2014, 06:55:10 PM »
^Yeah, because I'm an idiot; never mind that I've chanted Sunday Orthros  pretty much every Sunday for the last 10 years and doesn't know what is going on.

I have at least as much experience as you (if not more), but I would still have no problem deferring to a priest on rubrical questions concerning services that are in a special way his responsibility, even when our answers agree.  That you saw the need to pick on a 30+ year veteran archpriest for agreeing with your experience gained from a decade of weekly singing says more about you than it does about redundancy.    

The original question was directed to the board as a whole so I answered.  Fr. John Morris, the archpriest in question, also answered essentially recapping what I wrote which made me wonder why he would quote me only to restate me.  I'm not picking on him. That you take such umbrage over a dialgoue that does not directly concern you says much about you.   



What I wrote was not intended to insult or offend anyone. I provided clarification as to why we read the Gospel of the Eothinon from the south side of the Holy Table. I did mention that in the Antiochian tradition, we do not have a procession with the Gospel book to the Narthex and leave it there for the people to venerate as was mentioned in one of the posts to which I was responding. I take the Gospel Book out of the Holy Doors to the solea and stand there holding it while the faithful venerate it and when they are finished take it back into the Altar and put it back on the Holy Table.

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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2014, 08:17:39 PM »
That you take such umbrage over a dialgoue that does not directly concern you says much about you.   

I did not comment on a PM, but on a public post.  Were I to comment on my PM's, I should have a lot to say.  Anyway, I hope the opportunity to use "umbrage" made you feel better. 

It did. Thanks for inquiring.
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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 08:21:26 PM »
"Do not tempt the Mor thy Mod."

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Re: Matins Gospel Procession
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2014, 10:36:22 PM »
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