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Offline Irish Hermit

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Re: Is the catholic holy water "holy"?
« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2012, 05:13:06 PM »
If someone finds a label used to identify them offensive and an alternative is just as easy to use and is just as descriptive, the only reason to use the former is pride.

The term "uniate" was invented by the "Orthodox in union with Rome"  to describe themselves.  They wore it with pride.  In Europe the term is still used.  It is not so offensive there as it is now seen in the US.   Look at the writings of the Polish Professor Waclaw Hryniewicz, a Catholic theologian and director of the Ecumenical Institute at the Catholic University of Lublin

Like I've said before, I never sensed, growing up where and when I did that the 'U' word was offensive. The Orthodox and the Greek Catholics used it to refer to the Greek Catholics. Don't hear it so much nowadays so perhaps it just sounds offensive today. However, in deference to board policies, I abide by the rule - although I have 'slipped' from time to time when my fingers type faster than my brain!

Board policies are wise because most members are American and there seems greater sensitivity there to some words.

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Re: Is the catholic holy water "holy"?
« Reply #91 on: January 18, 2012, 05:40:21 PM »
I've never understood why it offensive. I had a Ukrainian Byzantine Catholic advisor who had no qualms about using the word to  describe herself.

The word itself is neutral.  It is the way it is used that makes it offensive.  Most Orthodox that insist on using it mean it as code for traitor/scum.  Vatican is a neutral word as well but from Isa's keyboard it becomes offensive.  Schismatic and dissident are neutral in themselves as well  but if I use them an alternative name for Orthodox they become offensive. 
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Re: Is the catholic holy water "holy"?
« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2012, 08:50:41 PM »
I've never understood why it offensive. I had a Ukrainian Byzantine Catholic advisor who had no qualms about using the word to  describe herself.

What I find offensive is "Orthodox in communion with Rome." It gnaws at my innards because it is 1) so obviously false and 2) an attempt to hijack our heritage.


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Re: Is the catholic holy water "holy"?
« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2012, 08:51:16 PM »
Schismatic and dissident are neutral in themselves

I don't think I can agree with you there. As Sir Thomas More said in A Man For All Seasons, about the word heretic, "It's not a likable word. It's not a likable thing."
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