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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1440 on: November 13, 2017, 11:08:36 AM »
"Even if we decided that a racial Jew is capable of converting to Christianity and having his genetic evil neutralized by the spirit of God, the resistance against the Jew should still not be led by a biological Jew."
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1441 on: November 13, 2017, 01:12:09 PM »
God bless Br. Nathaniel. I love that cartoon character.

I love how the slime whose behinds he kisses still hate him, even as many of them still hate Heimbach because of his hairline.  You can never be evil enough to please Satan!  ;D

"Even if we decided that a racial Jew is capable of converting to Christianity and having his genetic evil neutralized by the spirit of God, the resistance against the Jew should still not be led by a biological Jew."



I know, right?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1442 on: November 13, 2017, 09:42:50 PM »
God bless Br. Nathaniel. I love that cartoon character.

I love how the slime whose behinds he kisses still hate him, even as many of them still hate Heimbach because of his hairline.  You can never be evil enough to please Satan!  ;D

While, I'll give Charles Martel this. He never used the word "antisemite" outside of scare quotes...

He was as consistent in insisting that it was not a real thing as he was in insisting that the Jews were the ultimate source of all of the world's ills.  And that I was their paid lackey.  :laugh:

Can I have some of that sweet George Soros money? I think my check got lost in the mail again.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1443 on: November 13, 2017, 10:13:55 PM »
God bless Br. Nathaniel. I love that cartoon character.

I love how the slime whose behinds he kisses still hate him, even as many of them still hate Heimbach because of his hairline.  You can never be evil enough to please Satan!  ;D

While, I'll give Charles Martel this. He never used the word "antisemite" outside of scare quotes...

He was as consistent in insisting that it was not a real thing as he was in insisting that the Jews were the ultimate source of all of the world's ills.  And that I was their paid lackey.  :laugh:

Can I have some of that sweet George Soros money? I think my check got lost in the mail again.

Chuck always used to say they paid me in "shekels".  Poor schmuck.  I miss him sometimes.  I'm getting all weepy over here.

I much prefer the "in your face" racists to the "I'm not racist but, but I think white nationalists kinda have a point and should be taken seriously" racists.  At least the former have the courage of their convictions.
I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1444 on: November 16, 2017, 01:16:20 PM »
Apparently that thread on Heimbach got moved to the private forum. I don’t have access to this. I can answer here.

You asked a great questions Rambam & this is why I think my approach is solid & can potentially satisfy your objections.With my approach, George Stephanopoulos, Darrell Issa, Michael Dukakis and Reince Priebus would be considered to have good public presentation(unlike hambacon sat at a restaurant with a  budweiser/pizza in front of him with his obesity on display).Also, they may have expressed political opinions that differ from mine, but from what I understand, none of them associated unorthodox political opinions, with the teachings of the church.

For instance Hambacon wrote this:

"As an Orthodox Christian I believe in the separation of races into ethnically based Church’s. That is why even in Orthodoxy there is for instance a Greek, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, etc Orthodox Church. Regional and racial identity is a fundamental principle of Christianity, must to the dismay of Leftists. I believe black Christians should be in their black Church’s, with black priests, having black kids, going to black Christian schools, etc. "

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/07/13/matthew-heimbach-at-american-freedom-conference/

Heimbach claiming that his political opinions are endorsed by church teachings, is what distinguishes him from George Stephanopoulos, Darrell Issa, Michael Dukakis and Reince Priebus in my view. This is another reason why, according to my approach, Heimbach would deserve a individual value judgment.

While Michael Dukakis participated in a pro-abortion political platform, he never claimed that his political opinions were church teachings in this context.In this context, He just expressed political opinions & left it at that. This is why I think  Michael Dukakis doesn’t warrant a individual value judgment for merely expressing political opinions alone. This is why I also think  George Stephanopoulos, Darrell Issa, and Reince Priebus don’t deserve a individual value judgment for merely expressing their political opinions alone.

I’d say your objections are valid and I think my approach can satisfy your objections.   

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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1445 on: November 16, 2017, 01:42:48 PM »
Sure, Zach, I think your explanation is correct. At least, it's the one used by folks who supported Matt's excommunication. I don't like the explanation. But what's new?  ;D

Take former Sen. Paul Sarbanes. The man is an enthusiastic baby killer, and he never missed a chance to vote for more dead fetuses. He's also an "Archon of the Ecumenical Patriarchate." And I can't emphasize this more strongly: this man has, in effect, aided and abetted black genocide in the United States. But he gets to receive patriarchal awards and give keynote speeches to the IOCC.

Why is Heimbach the right candidate for saving powers of excommunication and not Sarbanes? Because Sarbanes never straight-out said the Church supports his murderous deeds? Okay, it's an explanation.













Apparently that thread on Heimbach got moved to the private forum. I don’t have access to this. I can answer here.

You asked a great questions Rambam & this is why I think my approach is solid & can potentially satisfy your objections.With my approach, George Stephanopoulos, Darrell Issa, Michael Dukakis and Reince Priebus would be considered to have good public presentation(unlike hambacon sat at a restaurant with a  budweiser/pizza in front of him with his obesity on display).Also, they may have expressed political opinions that differ from mine, but from what I understand, none of them associated unorthodox political opinions, with the teachings of the church.

For instance Hambacon wrote this:

"As an Orthodox Christian I believe in the separation of races into ethnically based Church’s. That is why even in Orthodoxy there is for instance a Greek, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, etc Orthodox Church. Regional and racial identity is a fundamental principle of Christianity, must to the dismay of Leftists. I believe black Christians should be in their black Church’s, with black priests, having black kids, going to black Christian schools, etc. "

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/07/13/matthew-heimbach-at-american-freedom-conference/

Heimbach claiming that his political opinions are endorsed by church teachings, is what distinguishes him from George Stephanopoulos, Darrell Issa, Michael Dukakis and Reince Priebus in my view. This is another reason why, according to my approach, Heimbach would deserve a individual value judgment.

While Michael Dukakis participated in a pro-abortion political platform, he never claimed that his political opinions were church teachings in this context.In this context, He just expressed political opinions & left it at that. This is why I think  Michael Dukakis doesn’t warrant a individual value judgment for merely expressing political opinions alone. This is why I also think  George Stephanopoulos, Darrell Issa, and Reince Priebus don’t deserve a individual value judgment for merely expressing their political opinions alone.

I’d say your objections are valid and I think my approach can satisfy your objections.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1446 on: November 16, 2017, 04:18:49 PM »

Strong points Rambam, I can see how your points apply if one were to take issue with the perceived potential effects Heimbach’s political opinions/politics & make a judgment on him for that alone but not do the same for Sarbanes. I also perceive difference in public outrage & general social treatment regarding Heimbach vs Sarbanes. So I can understand how this can be perceived as a double-standard. 

With my specific approach, I don’t think either of their political opinions alone warrant a value judgement them as individuals. Also, with my approach, I don’t attribute potential perceived effects of their politics/political opinions alone as value judgments on them as individuals. My approach also does not consider the perceived public outrage, from their politics/political opinions alone as value judgments on them as individuals nor does it consider the social treatment that they received alone, to warrant value judgments on them as individuals.

 Although, with my approach, you can say Mr.Sarbanes specific action in voting for X warrants a value judgement on him as a individual.

Also,keep in mind, Heimbach has also been given opportunity to repent from his explicitly unorthodox statements that he expressed here too.I’ve yet to see him say  "I was wrong for writing" statement A or "I was wrong for saying" statement B.

Statement A

"As an Orthodox Christian I believe in the separation of races into ethnically based Church’s. That is why even in Orthodoxy there is for instance a Greek, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, etc Orthodox Church. Regional and racial identity is a fundamental principle of Christianity, must to the dismay of Leftists. I believe black Christians should be in their black Church’s, with black priests, having black kids, going to black Christian schools, etc. “

Statment B


"If we had separate nation-states, I believe if Orthodoxy were to grow in America, the idea of having autocephalous churches – Southerners have a very distinct culture, and to be able to dream of an autocephalous Dixie Church would be amazing. That would depend on conversion and the politics of the time. The Church is not supposed to be political.”

This is why I’m comfortable with his ex-communication. I’ve yet to see Heimbach say “I was wrong for writing” statement A or "I was wrong for saying" statement B. I don't like when one explicitly portrays Orthodox teachings falsely. I think it's reasonable & fair to expect that Mr.Matthew Pizza & Beer Heimbach to repudiate these previous statements publicly.

btw at age 84 Mr.Sarbanes presentation is acceptable by my approach. and the presentation of his hair for age 84 is impressive. here is a 2017 pic of him

http://stateandfed.com/lobbycomply/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Paul-Sarbanes.jpg

In contrast, here is a pic of Heimbach at a restaurant,who is in his mid 20s in this pic, with a Budweiser in front of him & his obesity on display. http://projects.aljazeera.com/2015/07/hate-groups/images/3.jpg

Remember budweiser has 12 calories per 1 fl oz. that’s a lot for only 1 fl oz.  that means just one 16 oz bottle has around 193 calories alone. That’s way too much for one beverage & it’s not even a meal. he can easily satisfy his thirst with a water, or a lemonade, without indulging in such a high calorie beverage.
 

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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1447 on: November 16, 2017, 06:37:28 PM »
Remember budweiser has 12 calories per 1 fl oz. that’s a lot for only 1 fl oz.  that means just one 16 oz bottle has around 193 calories alone. That’s way too much for one beverage & it’s not even a meal. he can easily satisfy his thirst with a water, or a lemonade, without indulging in such a high calorie beverage.

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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1448 on: December 04, 2017, 10:49:59 AM »
God bless Br. Nathaniel. I love that cartoon character.

I love how the slime whose behinds he kisses still hate him, even as many of them still hate Heimbach because of his hairline.  You can never be evil enough to please Satan!  ;D

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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1449 on: February 11, 2019, 04:20:34 AM »
So in the case of the ex novice monk Br. Nathanael, when he dresses up like a pseudomonk and dances, I sense that even Nathanael realizes at some level he is LARPING.



"Monastic...in good standing..."

A LARPer with a letter that the LARPer is his depicted character in good standing does not keep one from being a conscious LARPer.

A reigning metropolitan of your Church says he's not a LARPer.  But I suppose it could be that the metropolitan is also LARPing at being a bishop.  Maybe his synod is LARPing.  Maybe Eastern Orthodoxy is one huge LARP. 

Or you are wrong to have called him "ex novice monk" and "pseudomonk". 

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I think that even the the longstanding "novice" N.Kapner realizes that his kufia et. al. is not proper monastic attire and behavior fitting for his rank:


He doesn't seem to be wearing anything out of the ordinary in the photo I provided, which was taken within the last two months. 

Also, why "novice"?  His allegedly non-LARPing bishop certifies he's a novice.

It really makes me happy to know Brother Nathanael is apparently on the mend within ROCOR.

By the way, ROFL @ the insane anti-Semitic rant.  Is Heimbach still annoying us or has he moved on?  I think he would be very happy in the ELCA, PCUSA or UUA; those are some churches which are quite devoid of racial diversity despite their alleged liberalism (the Episcopalians, to their credit, are somewhat more racially diverse, as are the Methodists).

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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1450 on: February 25, 2019, 12:16:34 AM »
Matthew Heinbach was kind and endorsed nationalistic-oriented Mexicans. He was well aware of the fact that Christianity is a universal faith and that it was open to everybody. His movement was political, not religious. However, it is non sense to found a sound political movement and to introduce yourself as Christian if you do not practice your principles and faith in your moral and personal life... Immorality darkens your credibility in every aspect of life and destroys it...
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1451 on: February 25, 2019, 04:35:52 PM »
Yeah, I'm sure he's really nice as long you're A. Not Jewish and B. Willing to leave his future ethno-state at the point of a gun if you're darker than a paper bag or have a Spanish-sounding surname. What a peach.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1452 on: February 25, 2019, 05:09:37 PM »
I don't think he was kind at all.

The guy got drunk and beat up his wife and slept with his stepmother.

Also, he's openly a Nazi. Let's stop calling them by the prefix "neo-." They're just Nazis.

Some people like to joke about how at least Mussolini made the trains run on time.

You know what? Be five minutes late to work.

People don't deserve his garbage.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1453 on: February 25, 2019, 05:50:23 PM »
Good points, yep.

Though, I don't really see the "Neo-" as a nicety or a minimization. I see it as an acknowledgment that the original Nazis existed in a different historical context (post-Versailles economic collapse, the history of European attitudes towards Jews, the uncertainty caused by the Russian Revolution, etc) than the ones today- a sort of guard against a naive "history repeats itself" type view. Because, while there's certainly commonalities and echoes (and Neo-Nazis are certainly just as bad as the original) historical circumstances are also never exactly the same.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1454 on: April 10, 2019, 02:10:59 PM »
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As an Orthodox Christian I believe in the separation of races into ethnically based Church’s. That is why even in Orthodoxy there is for instance a Greek, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, etc. Orthodox Church. Regional and racial identity is a fundamental principle of Christianity, must to the dismay of Leftists. I believe black Christians should be in their black Church’s, with black priests, having black kids, going to black Christian schools, etc.

lol, I don't think I ever saw this quote until now. I love how he jumps from "Serbs, Russians, Greeks, and Romanians are separate 'races' who should be segregated from one another (I thought he was a "white nationalist," not a "German-Anglo-American mutt nationalist") to "black people are a single monolith." Somebody's a little confused in his definitions.
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« Reply #1455 on: April 10, 2019, 02:28:44 PM »
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1456 on: April 10, 2019, 03:01:12 PM »
Also, apparently, speaking of Mussolini, apparently a conservative party in Italy has a new candidate, the great grandson of Mussolini - "Julius Caesar Mussolini."
Look it up.
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« Reply #1457 on: April 10, 2019, 03:36:22 PM »
Also, apparently, speaking of Mussolini, apparently a conservative party in Italy has a new candidate, the great grandson of Mussolini - "Julius Caesar Mussolini."
Look it up.

That and the whole twitter war between Julius's crazy mother and Jim Carrey, of all people. I think somewhere Umberto Eco is lmao-ing.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1458 on: April 20, 2019, 05:22:01 PM »
Oh hey, it's both Holy Saturday and Hitler's Birthday. I wonder if Heimbach and Charles Martel will spring for Dave and Buster's...
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1459 on: April 22, 2019, 04:25:24 PM »
In a weirdly random moment, a local news channel in Tennessee interviewed Heimbach about a proposed hands-free law. I don't think they had any idea who they were talking to.

https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/40337554/tennessee-house-passes-new-hands-free-law-drivers-say-it-could-help-end-distracted-driving
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1460 on: April 22, 2019, 04:26:27 PM »
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1461 on: April 22, 2019, 05:19:51 PM »
Just when I thought he had disappeared from public view!  Rats.

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« Reply #1462 on: April 22, 2019, 05:32:36 PM »
Is that website linking working? It redirects me to a video about some 50 year old barbershop.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1463 on: April 24, 2019, 12:47:38 AM »
My understanding it was at All Saints Orthodox Church in Bloomington, IN. Yes, I heard he wants to become a priest.  Of course, about half of newly chrismated male converts I come across tend to have that thought to some degree or another.

Yeah, I figured (and hoped) he moved on since graduation last year.  I've dealt with my share of militant and radical racialists in the past, but this guy is one of the more irksome.  He's the type that will provoke others to violence but will not take part in it himself.  Some call that a "leader," I call it a coward.

Interestingly, All Saints is an Antiochian parish and presumably has some non-Euros in its congregation.

Gross. When I studied in Indiana University Bloomington, I attended there (as it was the only Orthodox Church near campus), but I had no idea that that was the Church where Matthew Heimbach was welcomed. Ugh.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1464 on: April 24, 2019, 12:48:50 AM »
I wonder to what degree that the Priest actually knew who he was when he received Matthew Heimbach, because the Priest when I attended seemed like a nice guy.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1465 on: May 26, 2019, 09:18:40 PM »
In a weirdly random moment, a local news channel in Tennessee interviewed Heimbach about a proposed hands-free law. I don't think they had any idea who they were talking to.

https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/40337554/tennessee-house-passes-new-hands-free-law-drivers-say-it-could-help-end-distracted-driving
LOL
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1466 on: May 26, 2019, 10:32:11 PM »
You guys are STILL kicking this can?
Jeez...
For what? Arresting me for what? I'm not allowed to stand up for myself? I thought this was America! Huh? Isn't this America? I'm sorry, I thought this was America.

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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1467 on: May 26, 2019, 11:52:34 PM »
You guys are STILL kicking this can?
Jeez...

Guess you're a fascist.
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Re: Matthew Heimbach - the next Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #1468 on: May 26, 2019, 11:53:50 PM »
You guys are STILL kicking this can?
Jeez...
Months without opening my notifications.  :P
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