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« on: April 22, 2014, 12:24:59 PM »

Hi all,
just wanted to know your opinion on this study Bible http://books.google.lt/books?id=KAh2OOGPsMMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Orthodox+Bible+Study&hl=lt&sa=X&ei=D51WU7vIIqS24wTPpIDIAw&ved=0CDgQ6wEwAA#v=onepage&q=Orthodox%20Bible%20Study&f=false

Basically, Im looking for an easy to read and study Orthodox Bible, in easy to understand English language.

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 12:35:00 PM »

Really that is your best, and perhaps only, option. The nkjv is easy enough to read, there is some basic commentary and short essays or write-ups, and so far as I recall the other Orthodox Bibles in English are not really study bibles in any significant sense (the possible exception being the Holy Apostles Convent edition, but that's not nearly as easy to read). Like any Bible translation/edition there are shortcomings, but I would think that it would work quite well for most people.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 02:00:37 PM »

Agreed.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2014, 02:34:57 PM »

This is a common topic here, so you might want to review these threads, the first of which is quite recent:

Orthodox Study Bibles

Orthodox Study Bible: OO and EO perspectives

Evidence of neo-Protestantism in the Orthodox Study Bible (A discussion of the merits/shortcomings of the OSB's study materials. I neither affirm nor deny the title of the thread.)

Orthodox Study Bible (A 2003 discussion of the NT only edition)

As I usually do with these discussions, I caution the reader to not take too seriously the posturing about which translation is best and to instead consider which Bible they are more likely to read often, regardless of study notes.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 06:38:52 PM »

And again I will say that it should be available online free as are the other commentary Bibles. I am sorry I cannot do more to make this happen, however maybe God willing.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 08:15:15 PM »

I have a copy of the Liturgical NT with the Sayings of the Fathers.
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 10:12:28 PM »

Really that is your best, and perhaps only, option. The nkjv is easy enough to read, there is some basic commentary and short essays or write-ups, and so far as I recall the other Orthodox Bibles in English are not really study bibles in any significant sense (the possible exception being the Holy Apostles Convent edition, but that's not nearly as easy to read). Like any Bible translation/edition there are shortcomings, but I would think that it would work quite well for most people.

There is always the option of study + the Bible.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 11:04:45 PM »

I bought the e-reader version of this when it was on some kind of sale, expecting it to be much like any other "study bible" but oddly enough there is nothing really "study bible" about. What there are are EXTREMELY sparse study notes, like maybe every 40 or 50 pages.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 11:49:58 PM »

I advocate the Eastern Orthodox Bible/EOB.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2014, 11:56:39 PM »

All footnotes in the Orthodox study bible are about how everything is a type of Christ. End of study. That said, I still use the actually translation most often. Just ignore the footnotes.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 12:18:57 AM »

All footnotes in the Orthodox study bible are about how everything is a type of Christ. End of study. That said, I still use the actually translation most often. Just ignore the footnotes.

So basically just as good as any other NKJV.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2014, 12:31:43 AM »

All footnotes in the Orthodox study bible are about how everything is a type of Christ. End of study. That said, I still use the actually translation most often. Just ignore the footnotes.

So basically just as good as any other NKJV.

Or as poor.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2014, 07:20:23 AM »

I'm not a great fan of study bibles.  I'd rather let the text speak for itself.    My favorite bible is the RSV bible:  http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Standard-Expanded-Hardcover/dp/0195283481/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1408705731&sr=1-2&keywords=revised+standard+version+bible.  I haven't been able to find a good, modern, conservative and Orthodox translation of  the Septuagint.  I plan to start reading Fr. Lawrence Farley's book this fall: http://store.ancientfaith.com/orthodox-bible-study-companion-series/.

The links in Agabus' post cover the most common objections to the Orthodox Study Bible. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2014, 10:48:02 AM »

I'm not a great fan of study bibles.  I'd rather let the text speak for itself.    My favorite bible is the RSV bible: 

The annotations in this Bible are full of exegesis far more distracting than anything in a study bible.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2014, 11:09:08 AM »

I'm not a great fan of study bibles.  I'd rather let the text speak for itself.    My favorite bible is the RSV bible: 

The annotations in this Bible are full of exegesis far more distracting than anything in a study bible.

What is a Study Bible?
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2014, 12:42:12 PM »

I'm not a great fan of study bibles.  I'd rather let the text speak for itself.    My favorite bible is the RSV bible: 

The annotations in this Bible are full of exegesis far more distracting than anything in a study bible.

What is a Study Bible?

The Happy Meal of spiritual nourishment.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntt=youth+study+bible&N=0&Ntk=keywords&action=Search&Ne=0&event=ESRCG&nav_search=1&cms=1&switch_view=covers
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2014, 02:01:41 PM »

I'm not a great fan of study bibles.  I'd rather let the text speak for itself.    My favorite bible is the RSV bible: 

The annotations in this Bible are full of exegesis far more distracting than anything in a study bible.

What is a Study Bible?

The Happy Meal of spiritual nourishment.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntt=youth+study+bible&N=0&Ntk=keywords&action=Search&Ne=0&event=ESRCG&nav_search=1&cms=1&switch_view=covers

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I know about Study Bibles and have a few.  My question to Alveus was more about his comment regarding the exegesis in the notes of a particular version.  I think it would be difficult to find a Study Bible without exegesis in the notes.  Otherwise what should the notes be? 
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2014, 03:31:53 PM »

I find exegesis in the Study Bible interpreted very spiritually, or sometimes even philosophically I'd say.
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2014, 09:52:04 PM »

The OSB has it's issues but it does try and fill a need for a liturgically and theologically sound translation of Scripture that doesn't sound like a self help seminar when read in Church.  There is a large degree of truth also in the assertion that it is essentially a big tract aimed at Protestants. Since a lot of current Orthodox in English speaking lands are converts it sort of speaks to that corner of the Church and can serve as a bridge from a protestant experience and understanding of scripture to an Orthodox one.

My biggest gripe with it is its internal layout...especially its typography/fonts.  It is not eye friendly. Needs a serious redesign.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2014, 09:58:03 PM »

The OSB has it's issues but it does try and fill a need for a liturgically and theologically sound translation of Scripture that doesn't sound like a self help seminar when read in Church.  There is a large degree of truth also in the assertion that it is essentially a big tract aimed at Protestants. Since a lot of current Orthodox in English speaking lands are converts it sort of speaks to that corner of the Church and can serve as a bridge from a protestant experience and understanding of scripture to an Orthodox one.

My biggest gripe with it is its internal layout...especially its typography/fonts.  It is not eye friendly. Needs a serious redesign.

I won't pretend I and my wife are average converts -- I don't know -- but I do know I have a similar problem with this Bible as with most of the Conciliar Press tracts. My life has been saturated with Protestant-style apologetics -- the last thing I want to see is more of the same style supposedly in the service of Orthodoxy. Actually, it's a major turn-off.
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2014, 10:08:47 PM »

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My biggest gripe with it is its internal layout...especially its typography/fonts.  It is not eye friendly. Needs a serious redesign.

The Psalms are especially hard to read. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2014, 01:09:39 AM »

The OSB has it's issues but it does try and fill a need for a liturgically and theologically sound translation of Scripture that doesn't sound like a self help seminar when read in Church.  There is a large degree of truth also in the assertion that it is essentially a big tract aimed at Protestants. Since a lot of current Orthodox in English speaking lands are converts it sort of speaks to that corner of the Church and can serve as a bridge from a protestant experience and understanding of scripture to an Orthodox one.

My biggest gripe with it is its internal layout...especially its typography/fonts.  It is not eye friendly. Needs a serious redesign.

I won't pretend I and my wife are average converts -- I don't know -- but I do know I have a similar problem with this Bible as with most of the Conciliar Press tracts. My life has been saturated with Protestant-style apologetics -- the last thing I want to see is more of the same style supposedly in the service of Orthodoxy. Actually, it's a major turn-off.

I am a lifelong Greek Orthodox, and I was introduced to the study Bible at our weekly Bible study with our priest around the time that it was first published, I never heard any of these type of problems till right now, so I see it from a different side of the matter.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2014, 01:21:18 AM »

The OSB has it's issues but it does try and fill a need for a liturgically and theologically sound translation of Scripture that doesn't sound like a self help seminar when read in Church.  There is a large degree of truth also in the assertion that it is essentially a big tract aimed at Protestants. Since a lot of current Orthodox in English speaking lands are converts it sort of speaks to that corner of the Church and can serve as a bridge from a protestant experience and understanding of scripture to an Orthodox one.

My biggest gripe with it is its internal layout...especially its typography/fonts.  It is not eye friendly. Needs a serious redesign.

I won't pretend I and my wife are average converts -- I don't know -- but I do know I have a similar problem with this Bible as with most of the Conciliar Press tracts. My life has been saturated with Protestant-style apologetics -- the last thing I want to see is more of the same style supposedly in the service of Orthodoxy. Actually, it's a major turn-off.

I am a lifelong Greek Orthodox, and I was introduced to the study Bible at our weekly Bible study with our priest around the time that it was first published, I never heard any of these type of problems till right now, so I see it from a different side of the matter.

Which is very generous and only appropriate. It is good to be hardest on ourselves and our ways, and kindest to others and their ways. Thus the lifelong Orthdox will see what is good in, say, a Peter Gillquist, and the convert will see what is good in rural Greek piety -- and hopefully by this philadelphia and holy unity can prevail.
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Which is very generous and only appropriate. It is good to be hardest on ourselves and our ways, and kindest to others and their ways. Thus the lifelong Orthdox will see what is good in, say, a Peter Gillquist, and the convert will see what is good in rural Greek piety -- and hopefully by this philadelphia and holy unity can prevail.

Amen!  Converts and cradle, ethnic Orthodox need to compliment each other.
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2014, 05:47:37 PM »

The OSB has it's issues but it does try and fill a need for a liturgically and theologically sound translation of Scripture that doesn't sound like a self help seminar when read in Church.  There is a large degree of truth also in the assertion that it is essentially a big tract aimed at Protestants. Since a lot of current Orthodox in English speaking lands are converts it sort of speaks to that corner of the Church and can serve as a bridge from a protestant experience and understanding of scripture to an Orthodox one.

My biggest gripe with it is its internal layout...especially its typography/fonts.  It is not eye friendly. Needs a serious redesign.

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I am a lifelong Greek Orthodox, and I was introduced to the study Bible at our weekly Bible study with our priest around the time that it was first published, I never heard any of these type of problems till right now, so I see it from a different side of the matter.

Which is very generous and only appropriate. It is good to be hardest on ourselves and our ways, and kindest to others and their ways. Thus the lifelong Orthdox will see what is good in, say, a Peter Gillquist, and the convert will see what is good in rural Greek piety -- and hopefully by this philadelphia and holy unity can prevail.

I greatly appreciate the positive and uplifting response.

I also see in your response what should be how we act towards people of other faiths(in bold). It seems IMHO to be the biggest stumbling block towards doing what the Lord Jesus said was most important command after loving God.
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