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Offline William

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Missing liturgy and the psalms
« on: April 20, 2014, 01:55:40 PM »
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When one misses liturgy, how many kathismata should he pray? Are there any in particular that he should pray or can he choose whichever?
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Re: Missing liturgy and the psalms
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2014, 03:01:52 PM »
Truly he is risen!

When one misses liturgy, how many kathismata should he pray? Are there any in particular that he should pray or can he choose whichever?

I'm unaware of any "rule" concerning this, so I'd say it's up to you.  On occasions when I can't make it to Liturgy, I read the Office and add the day's readings and some appropriate hymns toward the end. 
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Re: Missing liturgy and the psalms
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2014, 03:21:15 PM »
Christ is risen!

When one misses liturgy, how many kathismata should he pray? Are there any in particular that he should pray or can he choose whichever?

I'm not familiar with such a rule, but there is a tradition of praying the Jesus Prayer a number of times in lieu of saying an hour or an office like Vespers or Orthros.  Don't know how many for each.
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Re: Missing liturgy and the psalms
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2014, 03:48:50 PM »
Christ is risen!

When one misses liturgy, how many kathismata should he pray? Are there any in particular that he should pray or can he choose whichever?

Whenever we cannot attend the Divine Liturgy, my husband and I chant/pray the Reader's Typica. We chant the appropriate troparia and kontakia, and we also include the readings from the Bible. One can also pray the Divine Liturgy, but then substitute "Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy" for any priestly prayers of the Holy Service.

Praying the Kathismata is lovely, usually three are recommended, but one does not get the sense of the Liturgical cycle. If one is stranded without a Bible, then reciting the Jesus Prayer is also recommended. A priest told me that reciting the Jesus Prayer 300 times is appropriate. This I did while in the hospital with pneumonia on Pascha years ago. I could not sleep due to all the beeping monitors anyway, so I timed the Jesus Prayer to the beat of those monitors.
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Re: Missing liturgy and the psalms
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2014, 03:50:19 PM »
I found the practice in the back of an old rite prayer book, but it only has rules for the daily cycle. 3 kathisma for matins, 1 for most else. Maybe Hawkeye would know more.
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Re: Missing liturgy and the psalms
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2014, 03:52:33 PM »
There is information and official prayers in the back of the NKJV Orthodox NewTestament Bible.
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Re: Missing liturgy and the psalms
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2014, 12:18:34 AM »
I found the practice in the back of an old rite prayer book, but it only has rules for the daily cycle. 3 kathisma for matins, 1 for most else. Maybe Hawkeye would know more.

Unfortunately, as priestless Old Believers, we don't have much to do with the Divine Liturgy these days, so stuff on that it probably not so easy to find.

You likely saw the practice in the Old Orthodox Prayer Book printed by the Church of the Nativity in Erie, Pennsylvania, which I just so happen to have lying around. I checked the Rule of Domestic Prayer which it cited but it likewise only includes the Daily Cycle. Nobody around me seems to know where else to look.

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Re: Missing liturgy and the psalms
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2014, 12:31:56 AM »
Right, I forgot that the Old Rite does not really have Divine Liturgy. I even noticed that the Church of the Nativity did not have presanctified liturgies during Holy Week, and I wondered if this was an actual pre-Nikonian custom or a holdover from the raskol days.
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