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Question: Are you going to see the new Noah movie that comes out on Friday?
Yes. Can't wait! - 6 (14.6%)
Yes, but not sure I'll like it. - 5 (12.2%)
Yes, though I am pretty sure I will disapprove of the way the story is done. - 3 (7.3%)
No, it looks stupid. - 8 (19.5%)
No. It looks blasphemous and typical Hollywood nonsense. - 15 (36.6%)
Other (explain if you wish) - 4 (9.8%)
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« on: March 26, 2014, 04:07:35 PM »

Just wanted to get an idea. I saw Emma Watson on David Letterman last night. The movie looks like it might be decent so I'll see it, even if Emma Watson is the best thing in the movie. Russell Crowe is a great actor but it will be interesting to see if he can pull off a Noah. I always pictured Noah as having long hair and a long white beard, but that's because I saw him that way in a children's picture Bible story book. But I do dislike the fact that he is so young looking. Emma Watson said in the interview last night that she could not think of another actor playing Noah and I suppose Crowe is a good actor for the part but could they not at least have given him long white hair and a beard? Letterman I think was saying that he needed to be big and muscular to build that ark. I do not think so because I always pictured Noah as an old man with normal muscle of an old man but that he and his sons were able to build it by God's grace. But Crowe is a good actor and it will be interesting. Emma Watson is playing some adopted daughter of Noah. She said this character is not in the Bible but that women were not mentioned too much and the writer took some liberty. I suppose that liberty is not too much since the narrative of Noah may not have mentioned every detail. As long as there is not too much liberty I think the movie will be decent, though I doubt as good as The Ten Commandments.
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 04:39:16 PM »

I don't know. It looks ok. . . depends on when it comes out on dvd and whether I'm still interested then. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 04:45:51 PM »

Just wanted to get an idea. I saw Emma Watson on David Letterman last night. The movie looks like it might be decent so I'll see it, even if Emma Watson is the best thing in the movie. Russell Crowe is a great actor but it will be interesting to see if he can pull off a Noah. I always pictured Noah as having long hair and a long white beard, but that's because I saw him that way in a children's picture Bible story book. But I do dislike the fact that he is so young looking. Emma Watson said in the interview last night that she could not think of another actor playing Noah and I suppose Crowe is a good actor for the part but could they not at least have given him long white hair and a beard? Letterman I think was saying that he needed to be big and muscular to build that ark. I do not think so because I always pictured Noah as an old man with normal muscle of an old man but that he and his sons were able to build it by God's grace. But Crowe is a good actor and it will be interesting. Emma Watson is playing some adopted daughter of Noah. She said this character is not in the Bible but that women were not mentioned too much and the writer took some liberty. I suppose that liberty is not too much since the narrative of Noah may not have mentioned every detail. As long as there is not too much liberty I think the movie will be decent, though I doubt as good as The Ten Commandments.

I saw the interview as well and thought she was sweet and genuine. Letterman is always uneasy when celebrities come off as being real people rather than some media consultant's nightmare.

As she said, the Biblical context of the Flood and Noah is not lengthy so some 'creative license' would be expected for the backstory as is the case in almost all Biblical movies...As you said, let's hope it is not too outlandish.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 05:01:13 PM »

The story is brought into the far future, in a post-apocalyptic setting. In short, forget most of what you know about the Biblical account.

Not that it's necessarily a bad thing. I squeed out loud at the cast list. Crowe, Watson, Jennifer Connelly, Anthony Hopkins and Frank Langella in the same gig? Definitely watching it; the theatre is out of the question, but Sky is good with premieres.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 05:04:32 PM »

...Jennifer Connelly...

I just became interested in this film for the first time...  angel
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2014, 05:04:46 PM »

From what I've seen of the trailer, ISTM that this film's adherence to the Biblical story will be about the same as 300 was to the story of the 300 Spartans.  Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2014, 05:07:03 PM »

...Jennifer Connelly...

I just became interested in this film for the first time...  angel

I was sure Mrs Noah would bring her own fan club to the yard. Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2014, 05:36:43 PM »

This guy is playing Ham:



"Then Noah began farming and planted a vineyard. He drank of the wine and became drunk, and uncovered himself inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it upon both their shoulders and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were turned away, so that they did not see their father’s nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine, he knew what his youngest son had done to him. So he said, Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brothers."

The Talmud deduces two possible explanations, one attributed to Rab and one to Rabbi Samuel, for what Ham did to Noah to warrant the curse. According to Rab, Ham castrated Noah on the basis that, since Noah cursed Ham by his fourth son Canaan, Ham must have injured Noah with respect to a fourth son. Emasculating him thus deprived Noah of the possibility of a fourth son. According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, a judgment that he based on analogy with another biblical incident in which the phrase "and he saw" is used: With regard to Ham and Noah, Genesis 9 reads, "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness." In Genesis 34:2, it reads, "And when Shechem the son of Hamor saw her (Dinah), he took her and lay with her and defiled her." According to this argument, similar abuse must have happened each time that the Bible uses the same language. The Talmud concludes that, in fact, "both indignities were perpetrated." -Wikipedia
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2014, 07:20:35 PM »

Just wanted to get an idea. I saw Emma Watson on David Letterman last night. The movie looks like it might be decent so I'll see it, even if Emma Watson is the best thing in the movie. Russell Crowe is a great actor but it will be interesting to see if he can pull off a Noah. I always pictured Noah as having long hair and a long white beard, but that's because I saw him that way in a children's picture Bible story book. But I do dislike the fact that he is so young looking. Emma Watson said in the interview last night that she could not think of another actor playing Noah and I suppose Crowe is a good actor for the part but could they not at least have given him long white hair and a beard? Letterman I think was saying that he needed to be big and muscular to build that ark. I do not think so because I always pictured Noah as an old man with normal muscle of an old man but that he and his sons were able to build it by God's grace. But Crowe is a good actor and it will be interesting. Emma Watson is playing some adopted daughter of Noah. She said this character is not in the Bible but that women were not mentioned too much and the writer took some liberty. I suppose that liberty is not too much since the narrative of Noah may not have mentioned every detail. As long as there is not too much liberty I think the movie will be decent, though I doubt as good as The Ten Commandments.

I saw the interview as well and thought she was sweet and genuine. Letterman is always uneasy when celebrities come off as being real people rather than some media consultant's nightmare.

As she said, the Biblical context of the Flood and Noah is not lengthy so some 'creative license' would be expected for the backstory as is the case in almost all Biblical movies...As you said, let's hope it is not too outlandish.


Yeah, I am not sure her beliefs but she seemed very friendly to the story and not all skeptical about it. Maybe she does not believe it, but she was friendly about it. And she is real, yes, and not fake. Aside from her beauty that is why I like her. She is real and has a real personality. And she can act. Letterman seems to be quite fond of her though. I think the uneasiness you see is his attraction to her. He said she looked beautiful in the movie and then kissed her hand as she left in a very clearly affectionate way.

Still, Letterman was really smug when he made it out to be that God called Noah up about the flood. She played it off by saying it sounds like God called Noah on a cell phone, but smiling so as to be cordial. Letterman was just ready to poke fun a Bible fairy tales in his own smug way and she was able, in her polite British way, to make humour of his jokes and defend the story. Still, I like Letterman as a late night comedian for some reason.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2014, 01:20:09 PM »

According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, ....

 Huh

What?
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2014, 01:32:22 PM »

According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, ....

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What?

"Uncovering the nakedness" of someone is a euphemism. There is some disagreement as to what for.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2014, 02:26:13 PM »

Whenever Hollywood pedals "the untold story" of anything, especially when it comes to the Scriptures, I just face palm.
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2014, 03:40:26 PM »

According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, ....

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What?

Remember this is from the same book, forgive me, that calls the Most Blessed Virgin a harlot. Though it may be true on this case because Noah got pretty mad for Ham looking on him naked. Maybe it was a cultural thing, but it might imply sodomy in this case.
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2014, 04:19:41 PM »

According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, ....

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What?

"Uncovering the nakedness" of someone is a euphemism. There is some disagreement as to what for.

And to settle this disagreement, we turn to the wiki article on Talmudic interpretation?
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2014, 04:23:48 PM »

That it's a euphemism isn't in dispute. Is it? It's in several places in the OT related to some type of violation of someone else, usually a woman (I think), and usually sexual contact implied (I think)?
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2014, 06:20:22 PM »

Anytime Hollywood tries to depict any portion of the Bible I get concerned.  I've not seen this movie so I can not really judge either way, but I would be interested in knowing if Noah, in his thanksgiving to God, built an altar and had a sacrifice to GOD?  Was there the Rainbow?  Two of every perfect animal, but 7 of the imperfect ones.   I saw some Film shorts that the deluge the earth itself gave up its water which is correct, that is in addition to the rain from the firmament of heaven....  So, until I actually see the film I can not objectively criticize or applaud the way Noah was portrayed...  
PS I also understand from others that the word 'GOD' is not mentioned but a term "The Creator" is......would anyone have a problem with this?
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2014, 06:34:35 PM »


Well, God is the Creator.

I would like to see this movie....it's just finding the time that is always an issue.
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PS I also understand from others that the word 'GOD' is not mentioned but a term "The Creator" is......would anyone have a problem with this?

Seems a bit silly, but even the word God can put people off.  While God is the Creator, the term "creator" doesn't necessarily include most aspects of God we would associate.  The creator was likely judged a safer bet though.  Not as lame or inaccurate as terms like "the universe," "cosmos," or "energy/energies" but still somewhat goofy to me.  Either way, my hopes aren't high for this movie.
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PS I also understand from others that the word 'GOD' is not mentioned but a term "The Creator" is......would anyone have a problem with this?

Seems a bit silly, but even the word God can put people off.  While God is the Creator, the term "creator" doesn't necessarily include most aspects of God we would associate.  The creator was likely judged a safer bet though.  Not as lame or inaccurate as terms like "the universe," "cosmos," or "energy/energies" but still somewhat goofy to me.  Either way, my hopes aren't high for this movie.

Cog, have you seen the trailer for this movie? It's clear that it's made with entertainment in mind, not authenticity to scripture. Colored lights and whizzies.
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2014, 07:01:12 PM »

Gonna catch it at a matinee with the wife, this, or next Saturday.

but I'm really waiting to see how Ridley Scott does with The Exodus. supposed to be out in time for Christmas, Christian Bale is playing Moses
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PS I also understand from others that the word 'GOD' is not mentioned but a term "The Creator" is......would anyone have a problem with this?

Seems a bit silly, but even the word God can put people off.  While God is the Creator, the term "creator" doesn't necessarily include most aspects of God we would associate.  The creator was likely judged a safer bet though.  Not as lame or inaccurate as terms like "the universe," "cosmos," or "energy/energies" but still somewhat goofy to me.  Either way, my hopes aren't high for this movie.

Cog, have you seen the trailer for this movie? It's clear that it's made with entertainment in mind, not authenticity to scripture. Colored lights and whizzies.

Yeah, and I'm familiar with the director, so I had an idea of what was coming.  The decision to avoid using the word "God" doesn't surprise me at all, really.  I hope it's got some sweet explosions and shiny things though.
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2014, 09:39:56 PM »

I would not spend dime one to view this one. A waste.

I would rather put an extra $25 in the basket at church instead.
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According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, ....

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What?

"Uncovering the nakedness" of someone is a euphemism. There is some disagreement as to what for.

And to settle this disagreement, we turn to the wiki article on Talmudic interpretation?
Rather, it presents the disagreement in a general/introductory way.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2014, 01:03:58 AM »

Why does this sound so -unappealing-? 

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I heard there was rock people who talk to Noah and that Noah wants to kill his entire family in the movie at some point.
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2014, 08:44:29 AM »

Sounds boring.

The apocalypse as a genre has been played.

Maybe it's a sign of the times, but I've seen the world end enough times to stop being fascinated by it.
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2014, 08:46:09 AM »

Who plays the floating salesman that sells Noah liquor?
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2014, 08:47:28 AM »

Sounds boring.

The apocalypse as a genre has been played.

Maybe it's a sign of the times, but I've seen the world end enough times to stop being fascinated by it.

If I were going to see this movie, I would surely bone-up on Genesis and see if the Movie matches the story line.   In any event, it is always wise to take movies such as this with a 'grain of salt'.
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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2014, 11:32:57 AM »


I can count on one hand the number of movies I have been to in the last decade.

However, this seems action packed, easy on the eyes, and perhaps even "Biblical".  Wink  I wouldn't go see it to learn about the Faith, however, I might simply enjoy it as a movie about characters whom I already know and hold dear.

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2014, 10:28:43 AM »

So... anyone seen it yet?  Skimmed through some reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.  Mostly positive. 

Slightly on topic; is there a consensus on the historicity of Noah in the OC?
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So... anyone seen it yet?  Skimmed through some reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.  Mostly positive. 

Slightly on topic; is there a consensus on the historicity of Noah in the OC?

I dare say that if one is Not familiar with this part of the OT  he or she would not be able to discern any errors or the liberties that may have been taken to produce this movie.  But, if you are looking for entertainment I guess it wouldn't hurt to see it.  I understand it is a play on environmentalism but we all know that's not the reason for the flood. 
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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2014, 11:12:39 AM »

It was pretty weird.  It was ok as a movie, as a retelling of scriptures not so much.
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2014, 11:35:32 AM »

So... anyone seen it yet?  Skimmed through some reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.  Mostly positive. 

Slightly on topic; is there a consensus on the historicity of Noah in the OC?

I dare say that if one is Not familiar with this part of the OT  he or she would not be able to discern any errors or the liberties that may have been taken to produce this movie.  But, if you are looking for entertainment I guess it wouldn't hurt to see it.  I understand it is a play on environmentalism but we all know that's not the reason for the flood

Revelation 11:18 says that God will destroy those who destroy the earth.  Of course, this isn't connected to the flood.  It's simply the only verse in Scripture that I know of which can be said to be about environmentalism.
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2014, 11:37:28 AM »

A man on the radio was talking about it.  All he talked about were the rock monsters.
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2014, 11:38:35 AM »

A man on the radio was talking about it.  All he talked about were the rock monsters.

Are you sure he wasn't talking about the first Hobbit film?
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2014, 11:40:59 AM »

A man on the radio was talking about it.  All he talked about were the rock monsters.

Are you sure he wasn't talking about the first Hobbit film?

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2014, 11:46:21 AM »

So... anyone seen it yet?  Skimmed through some reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.  Mostly positive. 

Slightly on topic; is there a consensus on the historicity of Noah in the OC?

I dare say that if one is Not familiar with this part of the OT  he or she would not be able to discern any errors or the liberties that may have been taken to produce this movie.  But, if you are looking for entertainment I guess it wouldn't hurt to see it.  I understand it is a play on environmentalism but we all know that's not the reason for the flood

Revelation 11:18 says that God will destroy those who destroy the earth.  Of course, this isn't connected to the flood.  It's simply the only verse in Scripture that I know of which can be said to be about environmentalism.

I tend to think that the word "destroy" may not refer directly to this environmental issue but maybe to the morality of mankind in general.  The environment may only play a very little part IF AT ALL,of what Revelations implies...
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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2014, 01:00:22 PM »

A man on the radio was talking about it.  All he talked about were the rock monsters.
Not monsters, fallen angels trapped in rock bodies as punishment for descending to Earth.  Think Nephilim meets the Thing.
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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2014, 01:07:40 PM »

A man on the radio was talking about it.  All he talked about were the rock monsters.
Not monsters, fallen angels trapped in rock bodies as punishment for descending to Earth.  Think Nephilim meets the Thing.

Which is probably something the radio announcer couldn't explain.  Makes as much sense as "rock monsters".
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« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2014, 10:30:43 AM »


So, I was made aware of this review:

http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/03/29/im-a-christian-and-i-think-noah-deserves-a-four-star-review/

I am now not so sure I am willing to dish out the cash to go see it.

I was hoping for something edifying.....bummer.
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« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2014, 11:11:09 AM »


So, I was made aware of this review:

http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/03/29/im-a-christian-and-i-think-noah-deserves-a-four-star-review/

I am now not so sure I am willing to dish out the cash to go see it.

I was hoping for something edifying.....bummer.

 Shocked This movie is a train wreck and a mockery of the Bible and Christianity. I mean seriously, Noah being friends with the fallen angels and having murderous infanticide obsessions? Why are we allowing Hollywood to hijack the Bible? We should copyright it or something.  Wink
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So, I was made aware of this review:

http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/03/29/im-a-christian-and-i-think-noah-deserves-a-four-star-review/

I am now not so sure I am willing to dish out the cash to go see it.

I was hoping for something edifying.....bummer.

 Shocked This movie is a train wreck and a mockery of the Bible and Christianity. I mean seriously, Noah being friends with the fallen angels and having murderous infanticide obsessions? Why are we allowing Hollywood to hijack the Bible? We should copyright it or something.  Wink

Did we ever expect this to turn out any differently?  Me? As soon as I saw Russel Crowe was in it, I lost all hope of it being anything Christian.
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« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2014, 02:34:27 PM »

A man on the radio was talking about it.  All he talked about were the rock monsters.
....fallen angels trapped in rock bodies....
...an idea straight from The Book of Enoch (which, if I'm not mistaken, is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church):

Chapter X:

"(4) And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. (5) And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever....' "
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« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2014, 03:15:08 PM »

According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, ....

 Huh

What?

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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2014, 03:22:45 PM »

A man on the radio was talking about it.  All he talked about were the rock monsters.
Not monsters, fallen angels trapped in rock bodies as punishment for descending to Earth.  Think Nephilim meets the Thing.
I was hoping The Fantastic 4 would make it back to the big screen.
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