Before people start getting on the apocalyptic bandwagon, a few things to note are:
1) The "Prophecies of St. Malachy" supposedly written in the thirteenth century were not "discovered" until the sixteenth century.
2) The Mayan Calendar is a Pagan invention.
3) TomS's quote from another forum shows the callousness and foolishness of some who believe that God works to a schedule that we can somehow speed up by the killing of the next Pope of Rome.
4) The only prophesy Elder Paisios ever made about the coming of Antichrist was that the destruction of the a certain building (which I won't name because of possible loonies reading this) would herald his coming. He never said a Pope would be either Antichrist or the False Prophet.
5) St Kosmos Aitolos speaking during the Ottoman years of Greece was asked who Antichrist was and he replied- "the one is the Pope, and the other is the one who is on our head " (i.e., the Ottomans). He was speaking of the pope of his time, and the Ottomans of his time as "antichrists", but not "the" Antichrist who would come at the end of the age. In the same way, the Scriptures say that even at the beginning of the Church, many antichrists had already appeared. He also said that a future Pope would be the cause of a war- not that he would be the Antichrist. St. Kosmos was protecting the faithful of Greece from possible conversion to Catholicism which was politically much stronger than Orthodoxy during the Ottoman years (and still is).
6)As an example of failed prophecies, we have those of the supposed visions of the "Virgin Mary" of Garabandal, Spain in the 1960's which were also apocalyptic in nature. According to these prophecies, there would only be three more Popes after John XXIII before the end of the age (he died in 1963) and a miracle would take place at Garabandal which would be seen by the Pope to confirm their validity. Well, the third Pope has just died, and none of them witnessed any miracle at Garabandal. Do a google of websites about Garabandal in the next few days, and I bet you any money they all start trying to explain away this failed prophecy.
So why are you joining the protestant evangelicals in the "countdown to apocalypse" when:
a) No sign foretold by an Orthodox saint that heralds the appearance of antichrist has yet appeared.
b) It is Roman Catholic and Pagan prophesies which seem to concern you.
If I may speak literally as a "devil's advocate": If I were the devil, and wished to pave the way for Antichrist, what better way to bring discredit to the Church would there be than to dupe her members into believing false prophesies which turn out to be unfulfilled, and so make them look like fools? Who in the world will believe us then?
Because I'm from Aitolea!!!
No, you are wrong. St Kosmas the Aitolean did not speak of the Ottoman Turks. You are missing part of the phrase: "The first antichrist is the Pope in Rome, and the second is he who is in your head. Without my saying his name you understand him. You should curse the Pope, for he shall be the cause.
He is referring to a person, when saying the second antichrist. He did not say "on our heads", he said +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦-ÃƒÆ’ -ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¤-ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â®-ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â© -ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡++-ÃƒÆ’ +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â»+++Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦ -ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢-ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¤++ +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦-ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¥+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¼+++Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦ +++Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦-ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â©, which is more often translated as "in our heads", than "on our heads"
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About Elder Paissios: No, he did not say anything about a Pope, but he was certainly talking about the Antichrist a lot.
Take a look at this, and you will understand what I mean: http://oag.ru/icon/paissios.html
He is crystal clear: the Antichrist is coming! And by the way, that barcode you see stamped on the material world, is really 6-6-6 (it's not the stamp of the Antichrist yet). Call me mad, but it's the forrunner of the stamp on humans.
About your a) and b)
a') Check out this dude: http://members.cox.net/orthodoxheritage/Starets%20Lavrentii.htm
and this dude as well: http://www.russia-hc.ru/eng/religion/plegacy/instserv.cfm
and the whole site as well: http://www.geocities.com/kitezhgrad/prophets/
and the site I mentioned about Elder Paissios.
b') I'm Greek Orthodox, I don't give a coin for Catholic and/or pagan prophecies. I just happen to give a coin for Orthodox prophecies, and from what I see, things are not that good. Yes, I'm aware people don't like to hear the end of the world is coming because they are selfish and would rather live their lives the way they want it and never see God's plan being manifested, but God doesn't really care. A Prophecy won't ask you before being fulfilled...
As for the failed prophecies, please refer to Orthodox ones, and we'll see about whether it's failed or not.
Finally, I'm not joining any semi-heretical group calling itself christian or whatever in the "countdown to apocalypse" when neither a) or b) of yours seem to be true. I'm on my own in this, and yes I'm mad, and yes, I still believe in Jesus the Orthodox way, and never will quit doing so.
And by the way, the prophecies of Elder Paissios are in www.rel.gr
, an official site of the Greek Orthodox Church of Greece, which means the Church expects them to come out. I'm not just talking eschatology here. And the end has to come, sometime! :flame: