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"The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« on: March 16, 2014, 07:59:06 PM »
Is this a solid book?
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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2014, 08:08:28 PM »
Define "solid". 
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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2014, 08:15:04 PM »
If you will, you can become all flame.
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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 08:49:19 PM »
Define "solid". 

I'm looking for opinions about its quality.
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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 08:59:34 PM »
If you consider C.I. Scofield the dispensationalist to be a Holy Father, then sure. He's around plenty.

It's mainly just John Chrysostom's textual commentary on the readings mixed with St. Cyril and a few other regulars. It's mainly handy for having the daily readings pulled out, but I really don't use it much.

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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2014, 09:15:46 PM »
I'm looking for opinions about its quality.

It depends what you want it for.  As Alveus said, it's useful because it presents the text of the readings of the (Byzantine) Lectionary in order.  If you don't mind the translation (I think it's KJV), you could read the texts from this book and use your Bible for other kinds of reading.  There isn't too much commentary per reading, though. 

If you're looking for something that's heavy on commentary, I'd look elsewhere.  But if you want to have the daily readings and a short (usually) patristic text or two in one convenient location, perhaps as an add-on to your morning or evening prayers, it's not a bad thing at all.     

If you consider C.I. Scofield the dispensationalist to be a Holy Father, then sure. He's around plenty.

Yeah, I'm not sure why the compiler felt like adding that kind of stuff, but to be fair, non-Orthodox sources are clearly indicated as such. 
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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 10:18:32 PM »
I use it.  I used to use it a lot.  While the writings of the Fathers are abbreviated, they often interested me enough to find the full text in my collection of books and keep reading.  As to the non-Orthodox authors, they often they explain things better to some of us former Protestants than an Orthodox Father could.  I don't have a problem with the book overall. 
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 11:26:53 PM »
According to the google books viewing it looks like the font is bold faced and the images xeroxed. 

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Re: "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" by Johanna Manley
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2014, 12:42:15 AM »
I'm looking for opinions about its quality.

It depends what you want it for.  As Alveus said, it's useful because it presents the text of the readings of the (Byzantine) Lectionary in order.  If you don't mind the translation (I think it's KJV), you could read the texts from this book and use your Bible for other kinds of reading.  There isn't too much commentary per reading, though. 

If you're looking for something that's heavy on commentary, I'd look elsewhere.  But if you want to have the daily readings and a short (usually) patristic text or two in one convenient location, perhaps as an add-on to your morning or evening prayers, it's not a bad thing at all.     

If you consider C.I. Scofield the dispensationalist to be a Holy Father, then sure. He's around plenty.

Yeah, I'm not sure why the compiler felt like adding that kind of stuff, but to be fair, non-Orthodox sources are clearly indicated as such. 

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