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Re: The Western Liturgies of the Antiochian Church
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2014, 10:20:48 PM »
My Psalter project is to make a bi-lingual english/latin Psalter arranged for all hours of the Divine Office according to the Salisbury, England use of the Roman Rite of 1534.  The English used comes from "A Psalter for Prayer" and the Latin from the Gallican one popular before 1940 in the Roman Catholic Church, However it would use of the Vetus Latina for the Old testament canticles, since those deviate from the septuagint in the later vulgate edition, whereas the psalms do not tend to.
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"and for all who are Orthodox, and who hold the Catholic and Apostolic Faith, remember, O Lord, thy servants" - yet the post-conciliar RC hierarchy is tolerant of everyone and everything... except Catholic Tradition, for modernists are as salt with no taste, to be “thrown out and trampled under foot

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Re: The Western Liturgies of the Antiochian Church
« Reply #136 on: November 30, 2014, 11:38:56 PM »


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The Comfortable Words [Tikhon] - These are short sentences of Scripture, specifically quotations from Our Lord, St. Paul the Apostle, and St. John the Divine.

What is the function of this element?  

Through these passages the faithful are assured of the confidence we have in forgiveness so that we can "draw near with faith" (perhaps corresponding to the East's "holy things for the holy"?).

It is rooted in this verse, as well, Hebrews 10:22 (KJV):  “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.”

It should be noted that here, "comfortable" doesn't carry with it the modern connotation of, say, "a comfortable chair" but in the sense of the Holy Spirit is the "Comforter."

Our Parish, which is the founding Parish in the Anglican Use in the Catholic Church, does the same.  The Comfortable Words come immediately following the Confiteor. We acknowledge our sinfulness, but then are reminded the Christ came to save sinners. 

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Re: The Western Liturgies of the Antiochian Church
« Reply #137 on: November 30, 2014, 11:44:41 PM »


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The Comfortable Words [Tikhon] - These are short sentences of Scripture, specifically quotations from Our Lord, St. Paul the Apostle, and St. John the Divine.

What is the function of this element? 

Through these passages the faithful are assured of the confidence we have in forgiveness so that we can "draw near with faith" (perhaps corresponding to the East's "holy things for the holy"?).

It is rooted in this verse, as well, Hebrews 10:22 (KJV):  “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.”

It should be noted that here, "comfortable" doesn't carry with it the modern connotation of, say, "a comfortable chair" but in the sense of the Holy Spirit is the "Comforter."

Our Parish, which is the founding Parish in the Anglican Use in the Catholic Church, does the same.  The Comfortable Words come immediately following the Confiteor. We acknowledge our sinfulness, but then are reminded the Christ came to save sinners. 

I just looked up an Anglican Use Mass and I have to say, I have always thought this is what should have been done after Vatican II.  Use vernacular and make some minor changes to the mass and ceremonies but keep it intact.  Very nice!  Who would've thought that some Anglicans would have a more RC mass than the Catholics 50 years ago?
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Re: The Western Liturgies of the Antiochian Church
« Reply #138 on: December 01, 2014, 12:32:01 AM »


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The Comfortable Words [Tikhon] - These are short sentences of Scripture, specifically quotations from Our Lord, St. Paul the Apostle, and St. John the Divine.

What is the function of this element? 

Through these passages the faithful are assured of the confidence we have in forgiveness so that we can "draw near with faith" (perhaps corresponding to the East's "holy things for the holy"?).

It is rooted in this verse, as well, Hebrews 10:22 (KJV):  “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.”

It should be noted that here, "comfortable" doesn't carry with it the modern connotation of, say, "a comfortable chair" but in the sense of the Holy Spirit is the "Comforter."

Our Parish, which is the founding Parish in the Anglican Use in the Catholic Church, does the same.  The Comfortable Words come immediately following the Confiteor. We acknowledge our sinfulness, but then are reminded the Christ came to save sinners. 

I just looked up an Anglican Use Mass and I have to say, I have always thought this is what should have been done after Vatican II.  Use vernacular and make some minor changes to the mass and ceremonies but keep it intact.  Very nice!  Who would've thought that some Anglicans would have a more RC mass than the Catholics 50 years ago?

It really is sad when you think about what it could have been.  With the new rite of Mass for the Ordinariates (we will be moving to that Mass in the not too distant future) it is even closer to the TLM than the rite for the Anglican Use.