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In a city that isn’t known for its religiosity, Presbyterian pastor Rev. Mieke Vandersall says she’s surprised every Ash Wednesday by how many New Yorkers stream through the subways and sidewalks with crosses on their foreheads.

“It’s a little exposing,” Vandersall told The News about the old Christian tradition. “And a lot of people that want to get ashes are not church-going people.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/busy-church-new-yorkers-ashes-ash-wednesday-article-1.1710819#ixzz2v6EXTC7L



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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?  Shouldn't one go to church and pray and get immersed in the whole "churchy" thing?

Very sad...when even Lent is so superficial.
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Ashes to go.....

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Yeah, what's next?  Eucharist through a McDonalds' Drive Thru?

The article showed them mixing the ashes at a Starbucks.

« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 11:31:39 AM by Adela »

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I don't see this as that extreme.   Didn't God say when two or three are gathered in my name there I am present?  Not saying I entirely agree with the premise, but extreme.... nah.
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I have time throughout the week for church services.
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Yeah, what's next?  Eucharist through a McDonalds' Drive Thru?

The article showed them mixing the ashes at a Starbucks.

Already have drive-thru communion. Like this.

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They look friendly enough...

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I don't see this as that extreme.   Didn't God say when two or three are gathered in my name there I am present?  Not saying I entirely agree with the premise, but extreme.... nah.

But did the women in the picture incite you to fall?  Were the colors they wore too flashy?  Was there too much makeup on the pastor (who is wearing red, by the way)?  Do you think she was competing with her sisters in Christ?
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2014, 03:15:37 PM »
When I read the title I was almost certain that it was Jetavan who created this thread. Guess not...
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2014, 03:19:25 PM »
They look friendly enough...

By their smile you will know them. Obviously not Orthodox.
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014, 03:40:25 PM »
I don't see this as that extreme.   Didn't God say when two or three are gathered in my name there I am present?  Not saying I entirely agree with the premise, but extreme.... nah.

But did the women in the picture incite you to fall?  Were the colors they wore too flashy?  Was there too much makeup on the pastor (who is wearing red, by the way)?  Do you think she was competing with her sisters in Christ?
Let's not bring that debate over here. Thank you.
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 03:46:12 PM »
I don't see this as that extreme.   Didn't God say when two or three are gathered in my name there I am present?  Not saying I entirely agree with the premise, but extreme.... nah.

But did the women in the picture incite you to fall?  Were the colors they wore too flashy?  Was there too much makeup on the pastor (who is wearing red, by the way)?  Do you think she was competing with her sisters in Christ?
Let's not bring that debate over here. Thank you.

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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2014, 05:03:39 PM »
also from the article:
Vandersall is planning to distribute ashes with a group of volunteers from Presbyterian Welcome, an LGBT-friendly non-profit that she directs.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/busy-church-new-yorkers-ashes-ash-wednesday-article-1.1710819#ixzz2v7rNhND1

i only went to ash wednesday once during an anglican phase on the way to orthodoxy. it was much better than minimising the role of repeated repentance as many protestants do.
at that time, i couldn't understand why my orthodox friend was not excited about the idea of ash wednesday.
he explained that orthodox repentance was private and personal, and we keep our level of spirituality (fasting, praying, giving etc) private, so we are not proud of it.

orthodox lent is more beautiful and deeper than ash wednesday.
i love lenten fasting
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2014, 07:49:12 PM »
Have you ever attended Tridentine Ash Wednesday Mass? Can't see why how that would be somehow less beautiful or less deep than Byzantine/Coptic way of doing things. Who knows, maybe it's a pre-schismatic tradition.
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2014, 07:52:32 PM »
also from the article:
Vandersall is planning to distribute ashes with a group of volunteers from Presbyterian Welcome, an LGBT-friendly non-profit that she directs.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/busy-church-new-yorkers-ashes-ash-wednesday-article-1.1710819#ixzz2v7rNhND1

i only went to ash wednesday once during an anglican phase on the way to orthodoxy. it was much better than minimising the role of repeated repentance as many protestants do.
at that time, i couldn't understand why my orthodox friend was not excited about the idea of ash wednesday.
he explained that orthodox repentance was private and personal, and we keep our level of spirituality (fasting, praying, giving etc) private, so we are not proud of it.

orthodox lent is more beautiful and deeper than ash wednesday.
i love lenten fasting
 :)
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2014, 08:56:49 PM »
Have you ever attended Tridentine Ash Wednesday Mass?

I did, a few hours ago.  I didn't go up for ashes or anything like that, but I had a good time with the people, and the liturgy is peaceful. 
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
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Have you ever attended Tridentine Ash Wednesday Mass?

I did, a few hours ago.  I didn't go up for ashes or anything like that, but I had a good time with the people, and the liturgy is peaceful. 

How long did the liturgy last? Did they have a choir or was it peacefully quiet?
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2014, 09:26:55 PM »
How long did the liturgy last? Did they have a choir or was it peacefully quiet?

Low Mass, so no choir.  It was about seventy-five minutes or so.  Fairly quiet and contemplative, and the people are nice.  I just wish the service was served better.  Not having a microphone is OK, and I can tolerate a "said" Mass, but why mutter?   
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2014, 09:47:09 PM »
How long did the liturgy last? Did they have a choir or was it peacefully quiet?

Low Mass, so no choir.  It was about seventy-five minutes or so.  Fairly quiet and contemplative, and the people are nice.  I just wish the service was served better.  Not having a microphone is OK, and I can tolerate a "said" Mass, but why mutter?    

Hey, before I became an Orthodox Christian, I used to attend one of the low private masses at 6 or 7 am at a Dominican seminary. At that hour, a priest was so sleepy and the Liturgy was so quiet that he would forget that anyone else was attending, so sometimes he would not even offer communion.  And yes, those priests did m-utter or utter the prayers in a very low voice.
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Re: Too busy for church on Ash Wednesday? New Yorkers can get 'Ashes To Go'
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2014, 06:16:00 PM »

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?  Shouldn't one go to church and pray and get immersed in the whole "churchy" thing?

Very sad...when even Lent is so superficial.


Exactly.  And people wonder why western Christian confessions are headed to extinction?  If their clergy don't take the spiritual life seriously why should the laity?
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