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« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2014, 06:57:52 PM »

I only bring up the bacon because Im trying to convey that it put the fear of God in me.

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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2014, 08:43:30 PM »

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I found the truth to be that the command was directly from God and valid until this day without excuse. I checked  about a dozen translations of the above story and picked it apart.

What happened is, Peter was part of a Sect of Jews who didnt believe...

Utter nonsense, from the Orthodox standpoint. Please, speak to your priest about these matters.

You been talking to Ralph Ellis? Because your posts are sounding a lot like his.

Do the Orthodox Monks and the Pope eat Pork?

Eating certain foods is elective to the induvidual and doesnt make him a better or worse Christian according to Paul speaking specifically about dietary issues, although, the context was vegetarianism.

It should also be noted that im against vegetarians and vegans. I'm part of the Right/libertarian and dont like people that take issue to food. I thought it was silly. I also used pork to make my pasta alredo which i can no longer make.

Actually, I ordered a pizza last night and had to get meatballs instead of bacon or pepperoni. I then had to act like a Muslim and go check to see if the pork is in the meatballs which it wasnt thank goodness. Like i cant believe i became one of those people.

I only do this because i have the fear of God in me now after the shroud research. That is what prompted me to go all in.

People like the Tollhouse discussion because they know theres something real there. While a system of purgatory doesnt have legs, the knowledge around the tollhouses is valid and go way back to secret knowlege. It also co-insides with the near death experiences.

You see, You need to look at heaven like a house. A kingdom. Its private and for friends only. When you go to hell (everyone reports a constant screeming), its that the demons took you as you were left vacant. Its supposedly very crowded down there. Every person you look at, you can tell their whole life story. People are a couple feet away from each other. Heaven and hell is very telepathic and quick when you communicate. So you look at your neighbour and can read their whole story why they're there. Supposedly the demons can fight over you on the way down. Some say it's a long walk down.

You arent getting thrown to hell because God or Jesus hates you, it's happening because you arent welcome in the house of heaven. Why? Because he DOESNT KNOW YOU. Your a stranger to him. Dont you see? As Jesus said, he has to know you.

So it's possible to 'play Christian', yet God doesnt know you. Let me give you an example (that is not aimed towards Orthodox):

If you worshop Jesus as your savior, are you worshopping Jesus, or worshopping your own ego's created person called Jesus. If the latter, then you're worshopping yourself.

Jesus is God (meaning, a facsimily of how God would act if he was a human. Remember Jesus also had Free Will and was also tempted by Satan on occasions). When you worship God, you need to take Jesus, Gods son, as an example to help you follow the law. Yes the law. Now here's the thing though: Its extremely important to understand layperson vs Father. Your priest has another set of rules and a whole different mission in life. Like Jews, he's under headship to God and covers his head. As laypeople, we dont cover our head to represent Free Will and how God Created us. This is in 1 Corinthians 11 btw.  However, our Father at rhe church actually stands BESIDE Jesus in their 'function' -  not under him. He has a 'license to practice' so to speak. Remember the whole keys have been handed over stuff? Jesus laid hands on his disciples, his disciples laid hands on their successors, etc. your Father at the Church was touched by the very hands of Jesus. I wonder of they know this or not. They are given 'license' to practice with Jesus approval. Almost to practice on his behalf. Remember, go to all nations and make disciples (priests).

This is why the Catholic Church warned over and over that there's no grace outside of Catholisism. And believe me that wasnt aimed towards orthodox as their exception is written mainly for us (lets be honest). The Catholics had the hoopla to actually say what they knew.

You see, the ROLE of your Orthodox ir Catholic father is to help you go to heaven. To help you walk with God your whole life and be righteous upon him. God has to know you for him to allow you in. Jesus is a human example, but was his example for laypeople, or the priests. That is the big question. IMO his example is obviously for everyone, but much more geared towards Rabbi's (priests, fathers etc) - not the laypersons because these are tremendously advanced topics. An example:

Jesus was caught working on the Sabbath when his desciples were picking from the fields. However, Jesus was correct in doing this. Why? Because if you are gathering food or items for personal consumptions, it not considered working. Only 'tilling the fields' is considered against the law. Same with the hand washing thing. Jesus knew the law very well. He was a high ranking Rabbi. So high he was allowed to interpret scripture. Paul was also very high ranking. These werent street prople or orphans. Mohammad was illiterate yeah right. Atleast their beginning to admit now that he wasnt and was likely an extreme scholar who compiled and wrote the Qur'an likely in Syria. But thats another topic.

Anyhow, the message by Jesus was to demonstrate to follow the REAL laws, not man made laws. This is why he came - to fulfill (practice) the letter of the law. When we do this, it becomes EASY to fulfill. Real Rabbi's have gone over these stories and concluded that Jesus was in the right. It's not something i just made up. Also appreciate that the bible you have now was never meant or expected to ever be in public hands. These scrolls were for special eyes only.

The point Im getting at, as with all this in context, if you take the afterlife and spirit world as true, you cant help but to fear God. When you understand what Free Will means, it means you have the God given ability to seek and follow Gods rules. The priests are under a different set of rules though. But our heads arent covered. Only you can decide to know God. Your priest is there to help show you the right way (remember again the scrolls were not read by laypeople, things were extremely verbal back then. This is how corruption of the law came about). Your Father is there to be your Father. we are Children in this life. We need our parents to show us guidence and feed us and look after us as we try to walk with God as laypeople. Its very, very hard to do this alone (although can be done).

If you dont fear God, then do you know him? I mean.. Sure you can help with charity, hold fundraisers, and do many things that you think are righteous, but ask yourself - who are you pleasing? Your own self, or God?

Always remember, Cain brought God his best offerings, worked more than his siblings, and yet it was never good enough for God. It was refused. How could this be? Cain was working for God after all and doing more than everyone else. He was giving the best offerings. So how come they got rejected?

Easy. Cain was seeing things as a competition and feeding his own ego. He didnt know God. He didnt understand the sacrifice or why it was important. He was essentially doing works without faith. God didnt know him, thus, didnt accept his offerings. What does cain do? Instead of speaking to God, he attacks his competition. He keeps everything in the meterial world.

Just like the Pork thing might sound silly considering all mans logic that went into it, I want God to know me. I want him to personally know i care. I do believe that he is all knowing, or atleast has angels all around us that are that are always watching.

God says to remember him on the seventh day, keep it holy, and dont work. How do you remember him? Go to Church. How else can you keep the day Holy? Its just common sense. Dont work on the Sabbath? We all get 2 days off a week. Do you think God cares about the actual day if its Saturday or Sunday or whether or not its named ofter pagans? I do think there should be a complete shutdown on Sunday though. Like old days.

I personally believe Jesus did not die so we no longer have to do good deeds or to throw out the law. Many, many, many schollars agree with this. Even Jewish schollars say this as well as muslims, they think that Jesus dying so we can do what we want is rediculous. So again it's not something I made up. ONLY Orthodox realizes the true spirit of Jesus and the roll of the Church and us as laypeople through our walk in life. This is why I say people are lucky to be Orthodox.

The good news is that being in complience with the law is easy. The Pork thing is your free choice. Paul addresses this and essentially says that its a personal thing that only God will judge and that it doesnt make you a better or worse Christian (again revert back to cain and abel). So you can eat 2 slices of bread and fast daily, but God needs to first know you.

I take such issue to Darwinism because it's that burrier that Satan places infront of you to make you not fully beleive in God or the Bible. The school system promotes this alternate religion to the masses on our tax dollar expense. If Genesis isnt true, then the next chapter isnt. Then everyone is a skeptic and begins making their own rules using their own human rationality. Human rationality is what Jesus came to fix. Human rationality claimed Cain. So when you have those inclings of doubt on the bible itself, the. You become like Morph Ephem and dont care to bother researching because your own intillect is more important.

When the law is in context and scaled to modern times, its easy to follow. Real easy. But when there is a direct commandment from God himself saying dont eat pork. Period. Point blank. Then as Paul says its a matter of personal concious to tell me what's right or wrong. This is Free Will to obey or not. So after the Shroud of Turin reseach, and the Jinn, etc iI feared God. As soon as i heard that it was an actual commandment from God himself (not human rationism or something not applicable), my concious got the better of me and I lost the will almost instantly to eat it.

Do you guys want my smokers? Buy the 'pork belly' cut from the Asian grocers. It can be super cheap. Rub the pork belly in syrup, brown sugar, and tenderquick/pink salt (sodium nitrates). Cold smoke the bacon at the lowest temp setting with with an electric smoker. If you buy one make sure it has temp control. It tastes AMAZING trust me. Cut it up and make pasta alfredo with mushrooms. Use it on pizza. What a joy in life.

But Instantly I gave it all up because I want God to know me. I fear him to the nth degree. He's jelous and doesnt like idols before him (Darwin). He's loving for his creation and wants whats best for us, which is to obey Him. But God knows he has given us all Free Will. His Son has spread his Word to all nations. All humans have Free Will take it or leave it. You have the Free Will to fins and study the shroud evidence. He puts it put there so you can know him. But God cant make things so easy that it will break your Free Will. Then theres no point if life. You have to seek and find truth in God yourself. The proof is in his creation. Thats where you find it. You Church is part of his creation (the Orthodox church). Your Church is not infallible either because we are human after all. But ultimately we are responsible as men (women have another set of rules).

My Free Will (hours of research) leads me to believe, that for myself personally, pork and shellfish are not to be eaten and against a direct commandment. Anything else on the matter is human rationalizing, which of course, colours the lense of how you read or interpret scripture. I just wanted to know the truth and it was really hard to find untainted sources. All you need to ask, do the high Orthodox bishops, monks, and Pope eat pork? So the Church rules leave it up to you to decide as Paul rightfully says. But this also goes for anything else in this world. Gos is watching and wants me to know him. I want to know him too. I dont want to be on the outside.
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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2014, 08:46:17 PM »

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Can't speak for the Pope, but Orthodox monks and bishops don't eat meat of any kind. Fish, yes, and other types of seafood including shellfish, yes.
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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2014, 08:51:56 PM »

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My Free Will (hours of research) leads me to believe, that for myself personally, pork and shellfish are not to be eaten and against a direct commandment.

See my previous post. So you're saying Orthodox bishops and monks who eat shellfish are breaking a "direct commandment"? or that married Orthodox priests who eat pork (I've yet to meet one that doesn't) are breaking a "direct commandment"?

Wow, that's some presumption, brother. You really, really need to talk to your priest about these ideas of yours.
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« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2014, 09:14:48 PM »

I take such issue to Darwinism because it's that burrier that Satan places infront of you to make you not fully beleive in God or the Bible. The school system promotes this alternate religion to the masses on our tax dollar expense. If Genesis isnt true, then the next chapter isnt. Then everyone is a skeptic and begins making their own rules using their own human rationality. Human rationality is what Jesus came to fix. Human rationality claimed Cain. So when you have those inclings of doubt on the bible itself, the. You become like Morph Ephem and dont care to bother researching because your own intillect is more important.

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« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2014, 09:18:07 PM »

I take such issue to Darwinism because it's that burrier that Satan places infront of you to make you not fully beleive in God or the Bible. The school system promotes this alternate religion to the masses on our tax dollar expense. If Genesis isnt true, then the next chapter isnt. Then everyone is a skeptic and begins making their own rules using their own human rationality. Human rationality is what Jesus came to fix. Human rationality claimed Cain. So when you have those inclings of doubt on the bible itself, the. You become like Morph Ephem and dont care to bother researching because your own intillect is more important.

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ooh...There is your new middle name....Ph

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« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2014, 09:29:08 PM »

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I found the truth to be that the command was directly from God and valid until this day without excuse. I checked  about a dozen translations of the above story and picked it apart.

What happened is, Peter was part of a Sect of Jews who didnt believe...

Utter nonsense, from the Orthodox standpoint. Please, speak to your priest about these matters.

You been talking to Ralph Ellis? Because your posts are sounding a lot like his.

Do the Orthodox Monks and the Pope eat Pork?
You seem to know the answer to this question. Why don't you tell us?
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« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2014, 09:30:50 PM »

You become like Morph Ephem and dont care to bother researching because your own intillect is more important.

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Actually, I like my "last name": Ephem (pronounced "eff'em").
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« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2014, 09:32:27 PM »

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As soon as I validated God said not to eat pork i swear on my life didnt eat a single piece since then. I became 'one of those people'. I swear to you i have two smokers, i have pictures of my smoked pork butt, and bacon and im giving up all of that. I can only smoke corned beef now.

Umm, Cackles, Orthodox Christians are not bound to keep Jewish food laws. The eating of pork is permitted. From Acts 10:

9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.


This passage also speaks of the acceptance of non-Jews as Christians, of course, but the fact that Christ completed and fulfilled the old Law means we are no longer under it. So kosher food laws or any element of them don't apply to Christians.

I spent hours debating those passages and going over all the evidence (while i had 2 McDonalds sausage and egg McMuffins in the fridge). I checked what our church said, the catholics, the evangelicals, and of course the Rabbi's.
Rabbis are not Christian, so why do you listen to them as if they can reveal to you truths neither Christ nor His Church ever deemed fit to teach us? Do remember that Jesus Christ is the only rabbi we listen to around here.
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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2014, 09:32:55 PM »

You become like Morph Ephem and dont care to bother researching because your own intillect is more important.

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Actually, I like my "last name": Ephem (pronounced "eff'em").

.... and I have a feeling you're not talking about radio transmission .....  Wink
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« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2014, 09:34:02 PM »

You become like Morph Ephem and dont care to bother researching because your own intillect is more important.

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Actually, I like my "last name": Ephem (pronounced "eff'em").

.... and I have a feeling you're not talking about radio transmission .....  Wink
Let's not go there. Wink
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« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2014, 09:34:36 PM »

You become like Morph Ephem and dont care to bother researching because your own intillect is more important.

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Actually, I like my "last name": Ephem (pronounced "eff'em").

.... and I have a feeling you're not talking about radio transmission .....  Wink

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« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2014, 04:23:28 PM »

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Can't speak for the Pope, but Orthodox monks and bishops don't eat meat of any kind. Fish, yes, and other types of seafood including shellfish, yes.

I have been at large receptions where Orthodox bishops ate prime rib or steaks along with everyone there.
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