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Should people given the death penalty be allowed to choose the manner of their death?

Yes, any way they want.
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Yes, but they must choose from a specific list of approved methods.
4 (7.7%)
No, if they deserve such a sentence they should lose the right to make such decisions.
6 (11.5%)
No...
10 (19.2%)
I can't answer this question as I don't think the death penalty should ever be done, ever, any time, any place, for any reason, ever never ever.
31 (59.6%)

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Offline Asteriktos

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Are You Pro-Choice?
« on: February 25, 2014, 07:49:30 PM »
Not abortion. The death penalty.

This thread is not about whether there should be a death penalty, which could be discussed in another thread. Rather, I would like to know: if your state (or whichever governmental body is applicable) has a death penalty, and someone is given that sentence, should the person convicted be allowed to choose the manner of their death? Assuming the appeals process and such are completed of course.

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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 09:24:34 PM »
It is just a thrust of some political media outlets like MSNBC or CNN. Abortion and gay rights are not actually an issue.

For example, do you have support for the revolution happening in Ukraine? ...
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 10:05:07 PM »
...if your state (or whichever governmental body is applicable) has a death penalty, and someone is given that sentence, should the person convicted be allowed to choose the manner of their death?

I voted "No", but the one with the phrase I didn't bother to copy, not the "No...". 

Is the death penalty routinely meted out for anything other than some kind of murder?  If the victims couldn't choose how they died, I don't think s/he should be able to choose how they die.  I don't think the state should be allowed to choose any method it wants, however. 
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 10:05:35 PM »
It is just a thrust of some political media outlets like MSNBC or CNN. Abortion and gay rights are not actually an issue.

For example, do you have support for the revolution happening in Ukraine? ...

Gay rights and Ukraine! 
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 10:13:18 PM »
I think it is O. K. from a list of approved methods, although I am beginning to question the death penalty. :-\

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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 10:23:55 PM »
...if your state (or whichever governmental body is applicable) has a death penalty, and someone is given that sentence, should the person convicted be allowed to choose the manner of their death?

I voted "No", but the one with the phrase I didn't bother to copy, not the "No...".  

Is the death penalty routinely meted out for anything other than some kind of murder?  If the victims couldn't choose how they died, I don't think s/he should be able to choose how they die.  I don't think the state should be allowed to choose any method it wants, however.  

I suppose the inspiration for the thread is rooted in my abhorrence* of beheadings. I expect that there are no longer places in the west that use the guillotine (though other areas of the world seem to be still fond of beheadings...), but it is what I was thinking of primarily. Some consider it a preferable form of execution, but I consider it utterly barbaric and dehumanizing. Then my mind went into strange directions from there...


* And I mean that in the strongest sense possible. I do not mean for the word to be some sort of synonym for distasteful or another likewise moderate term.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 11:39:36 PM »
Should people issued life sentences be able to choose the death penalty?
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 11:41:53 PM »
Should people issued life sentences be able to choose the death penalty?

Life sentences could perhaps be unconstitutional, so I would say yes. Though I'd say yes is imprisonment wasn't involved... so that doesn't really mean much I suppose.

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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 02:01:24 AM »
Should people issued life sentences be able to choose the death penalty?

Of course.  Let them give back to the community they robbed.  Their death without a million appeals would let everyone put it behind them and move on.

I put yes, but from a selected list.  Hanging, guillotine, or gunshot to the back of the head.  For veterans I'd add firing squad.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 06:02:54 AM »
I suppose the inspiration for the thread is rooted in my abhorrence* of beheadings. I expect that there are no longer places in the west that use the guillotine (though other areas of the world seem to be still fond of beheadings...), but it is what I was thinking of primarily. Some consider it a preferable form of execution, but I consider it utterly barbaric and dehumanizing. Then my mind went into strange directions from there...


* And I mean that in the strongest sense possible. I do not mean for the word to be some sort of synonym for distasteful or another likewise moderate term.

The last guillotining in the West was in France in 1977. The only European country that has not abolished the death penalty yet is Belarus.

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In 1996 in the US, Georgia State Representative Doug Teper unsuccessfully sponsored a bill to replace the state's electric chair with the guillotine.

How civilised... ::)
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 06:06:25 AM »
In 1996 in the US, Georgia State Representative Doug Teper unsuccessfully sponsored a bill to replace the state's electric chair with the guillotine.

It would be even more awesome if the executions would take place on a public square and if the guy who's being executed had to wear a powdered wig and colonial-era clothes.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 06:18:47 AM »
In 1996 in the US, Georgia State Representative Doug Teper unsuccessfully sponsored a bill to replace the state's electric chair with the guillotine.

It would be even more awesome if the executions would take place on a public square and if the guy who's being executed had to wear a powdered wig and colonial-era clothes.

And if the executioner, as soon as the blade dropped, had to shout 'Vive la Republique!'
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2014, 06:22:58 AM »
In 1996 in the US, Georgia State Representative Doug Teper unsuccessfully sponsored a bill to replace the state's electric chair with the guillotine.

It would be even more awesome if the executions would take place on a public square and if the guy who's being executed had to wear a powdered wig and colonial-era clothes.

And if the executioner, as soon as the blade dropped, had to shout 'Vive la Republique!'

Indeed. The state could make lots of money by selling tickets to such events. The profits could go to the families of the victims, the spectators would get a lovely show and justice would be served. So many problems would be solved.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2014, 08:15:46 AM »
On the one hand, I oppose the death penalty in nearly all, if not all, cases (one can hardly repent in the grave) but, at the same time, if you’re going to execute a man anyway, why not give him a list of pre-approved choices? Who would it hurt?
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2014, 11:37:01 PM »
I think that, instead of the death penalty, all those sentenced to such should be placed in a barrel, and sent over Niagara Falls.

They live, they spend the rest of their lives in jail, they die, welp, they had a chance to live.

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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 12:37:10 AM »
I think you know my response to this.

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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2014, 01:26:07 AM »
In the case of particularly heinous crimes I am totally for the death penalty.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2014, 12:59:16 PM »
Ideas on how to do this

Play chess. your piece gets taken, you get killed
Have them play war games for the amusement of the general public
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2014, 01:43:29 PM »
Life and death are God's domain, not mans. killing someone, because they killed someone, falls under an eye for an eye imo, give em life in prison and allow them a chance to repent.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2014, 03:50:15 PM »
Ideas on how to do this

Play chess. your piece gets taken, you get killed
Have them play war games for the amusement of the general public
Human jenga

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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2014, 04:38:31 PM »
No.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2014, 07:04:33 AM »
To be pro choice is to betray the essence of Christianity and embrace a cult of death.
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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2014, 07:17:09 AM »
To be pro choice is to betray the essence of Christianity and embrace a cult of death.

Did you read the thread?

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Re: Are You Pro-Choice?
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2014, 07:41:55 AM »
To be pro choice is to betray the essence of Christianity and embrace a cult of death.

Did you read the thread?
hah, no i didn't. Serves me right.

In New Zealand we don't have the death penalty and I find some of the sentences given to alot of people here for horrendous crimes particularly light. I am in favour of the death penalty however only in certain circumstances, such as a crime that is particularly horrendous, a category which I do not think can be defined but something I think we all know when we see it. One thing I see in America at the moment with how the death penalty works there, is that it takes along time to actually enforce it and they are given so many chances to appeal. It seems to me unimaginable that the death penalty should be delayed in the case of Nidal Malik Hussain for what he did in fort hood and that could take years before it happens. The process should be long, but not needlessly long.
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Thank you.