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Question: Please vote on basis of your background
Elite - 1 (2.6%)
Established Middle Class - 10 (25.6%)
Technical Middle Class - 9 (23.1%)
New Affluent Workers - 5 (12.8%)
Emergent Service Workers - 5 (12.8%)
Traditional Working Class - 7 (17.9%)
Precariat - 2 (5.1%)
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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2014, 03:50:20 PM »

Is Mor Ephrem really a brahmana?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

(Not that there's anything wrong with being a brahmana.  Cool )

Am I a Brahmin?  I think the Syrian Christians in India were considered equivalent to Brahmins, whether among themselves (Wink) or by others, but who knows?  I'm no historian, but the legend suits me. 
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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2014, 03:56:43 PM »

Is Mor Ephrem really a brahmana?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

(Not that there's anything wrong with being a brahmana.  Cool )

Am I a Brahmin?  I think the Syrian Christians in India were considered equivalent to Brahmins, whether among themselves (Wink) or by others, but who knows?  I'm no historian, but the legend suits me. 

I thought Brahmins killed St. Thomas.
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2014, 04:17:25 PM »

I thought Brahmins killed St. Thomas.

Tradition is that he was killed by soldiers of a local king, IIRC.  I don't know if they were Brahmin (I thought soldiers were a separate caste, but I could be wrong).  Anyway, Tradition also states that he converted Brahmins.   
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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2014, 04:53:06 PM »

I thought Brahmins killed St. Thomas.

Tradition is that he was killed by soldiers of a local king, IIRC.  I don't know if they were Brahmin (I thought soldiers were a separate caste, but I could be wrong).  Anyway, Tradition also states that he converted Brahmins.   

It is somehow relevant that the converts were from this or that caste?
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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2014, 05:00:06 PM »

It is somehow relevant that the converts were from this or that caste?

I think it's relevant, but not for the reasons most people think it's relevant. 
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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2014, 05:17:19 PM »

It is somehow relevant that the converts were from this or that caste?

I think it's relevant, but not for the reasons most people think it's relevant. 

An Indian version of Prophet Elijah beating prophets of Baal?
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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2014, 05:19:17 PM »

You lost me, Alpo.  Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2014, 05:34:04 PM »

You lost me, Alpo.  Smiley

I thought it might be a sort of symbol for Jesus conquering false gods as AFAIK being a brahmin has religious significance. Not that I know anything about India, her culture or religions though.
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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2014, 08:21:50 PM »

I thought it might be a sort of symbol for Jesus conquering false gods as AFAIK being a brahmin has religious significance.

It's significant, but not in that way IMO. 
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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2014, 11:49:04 PM »

I didn't see "Landed Aristocracy" among the options, so I will not be participating in this thread. 

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« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2014, 12:15:09 AM »

I didn't see "Landed Aristocracy" among the options, so I will not be participating in this thread. 

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Jakub? Jakub! Cool. Glad to see you.  Smiley
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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2014, 12:23:52 AM »

I didn't see "Landed Aristocracy" among the options, so I will not be participating in this thread. 

Deactivating cloaking mode...nor I, no option for a forced to retire middle class municipal government supervisor.

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So all I have to do to get you to come back is make ridiculously extravagant and unprovable statements about my ancestry?  Cheesy

It's good to see you...I still use your gift.  Smiley
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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2014, 12:42:20 AM »

Liza stole my thunder or at least beat me to it. I'm a member of the Established Middle Class, who certainly doesn't feel that way. But that's where I came from and that's where I expect to stay.
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« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2014, 02:25:47 AM »

Orthonorm is going to hack the board in order to find out what you've voted in an anonymous internet poll? I sure hope he has better things to do on his free time.

He usually doesn't.
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« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2014, 05:26:05 PM »

Orthonorm is going to hack the board in order to find out what you've voted in an anonymous internet poll? I sure hope he has better things to do on his free time.

He usually doesn't.

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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2014, 04:03:53 PM »

How the heck would I know? I'm a newly 18 year old college student aspiring to become an English teacher at a High School if I get my Masters that I'm shooting for. I'll probably fall in the same category as all those teachers I know who are constantly complaining about their overbearing jobs and no-raise income.
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« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2014, 03:51:57 PM »

I'm a bit suprised abour prevalence of working class people over here. Internet forums is not the first thing that pops my mind when I think of proletariat.

I had an interesting discussion with a colleague who had spent a summer studying French just because he felt embarassed among his elite peers who all mastered French. Coming from a wholeheartedly working class background I've rarely thought learning languages from that kind of point of view. I have a somewhat similar feeling over my bad Swedish skills though.
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« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2014, 04:07:24 PM »

I had an interesting discussion with a colleague who had spent a summer studying French just because he felt embarassed among his elite peers who all mastered French. Coming from a wholeheartedly working class background I've rarely thought learning languages from that kind of point of view. I have a somewhat similar feeling over my bad Swedish skills though.

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The nouveau riche doesn't really do that over here anymore. It used to be popular in the 18th and 19th century among the upper classes, but it has since been surpassed, first by German, and nowadays by English. A pity, really. Learning French was one of the few good decisions I ever made. It should be more popular than it is atm.
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« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2014, 04:15:52 PM »

Just to clarify, he wasn't living in Finland at the time. I haven't encountered specific interest in French language in here. English surpasses everything.
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« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2014, 06:56:53 PM »

Class is a very interesting phenomena. Small things, like speaking French or holding titles can make a big difference on how people will behave in your company. I am reading and writing about Bourdieu right now, and I really think he is spot on when he speaks about "social capital" etc. Speaking French is really important in some circles, even here in Scandinavia Alpo. Smiley Do you not get questions about "what other languages do you speak" when you are around certain friends?

I can also feel the difference between how people behave around me (who does not hold a very prestigious diploma) and my brother who is studying to become a doctor at a quite nice university. We are pretty much equally intelligent and we were raised by the same mother, but I still feel the difference when we are at parties etc.

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« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2014, 09:43:47 PM »

How the heck would I know? I'm a newly 18 year old college student aspiring to become an English teacher at a High School if I get my Masters that I'm shooting for. I'll probably fall in the same category as all those teachers I know who are constantly complaining about their overbearing jobs and no-raise income.

English teachers are a dime a dozen.  If you really want to write your own ticket in the teaching profession with plenty of opportunities and $, go into speech pathology or special Ed.
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« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2014, 02:57:41 AM »

Do you not get questions about "what other languages do you speak" when you are around certain friends?

No. I don't have that kind of friends.

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I can also feel the difference between how people behave around me (who does not hold a very prestigious diploma) and my brother who is studying to become a doctor at a quite nice university. We are pretty much equally intelligent and we were raised by the same mother, but I still feel the difference when we are at parties etc.

I've felt that too. Not with my brother as I don't go to parties with my brother but I remember how people used to behave around me when I was younger. Of course it's age too but I believe education and accompanying way of life has it's effect. And I didn't even go to any prestigious schools or have any fancy title.

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« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2014, 08:49:30 AM »

I didn't see "Landed Aristocracy" among the options, so I will not be participating in this thread.  

Oh you Brahmins. Always despsing lover castes.

Wait, I just noticed your avatar. Nice.

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« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2014, 11:57:02 AM »

I come from a large successful family, but my own subsection of the family was the smallest and simplest with neither of my parents getting an education. However, they worked very hard for what they've gained.

I'm the first of my close relatives with a degree, white collar job, applying to do postgraduate studies.
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