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« on: February 18, 2014, 12:01:30 AM »

Some love it, some hate it, some just don't care about it either way.  What's your opinion?
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 12:13:53 AM »

Rock is rock. If you try to Christian rock music, then the effect is kitsche; artificial and weak. Some bands try to unnaturally use rock music as a platform to reach believers. They are like sheep in wolve's clothing. I don't think that's the essence of rock. Rock is all about power and freedom.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 12:17:21 AM »

I don't listen to Christian rock, but I do listen to Christian metal. I think when the musicians are honest and use the genre effectively, it works. When they try to shoe-horn Christian lyrics over mediocre performances, it doesn't work. Really, though, music is just music, and "Christian" is just one aspect of the musician's identity--when I get a sense of a real human being behind what I'm hearing, I can connect with the message, whatever it is, a lot easier. And if I don't like the message, well, I don't need to accept it. I would not get my theology from a rock song.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 12:18:11 AM »

I don't like it. Some heterodox ideas can be interpreted from it. Even when I wasn't more knowledgeable about the Orthodox position, I recognized this as a Protestant.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2014, 12:40:11 AM »



Antestor is a Christian metal band I listen to. Their earlier material was very overtly Christian and I think that made it seem corny and insincere. I don't really listen to this kind of music for its lyrics (especially since their vocals are often incoherent), but compare these early lyrics:

Weakened By The Things I've Done
Blackened Has My Soul Become
Satan Says He'll Set Me Free
But He's A Loser Just Like Me

The Things I've Done In My Past
It Haunts My Soul And Kills At Last
My Life Is A Path Of Pain
No Light And Laid In Chains

...with these from their more recent album:

Battle rages all day long bitterness
seldom comes alone fury becoming my
strength and seems to be the only way
to survive

All pain that I've ever known I reap only
what my past has sown no secrets
are kept from you as you witness my
attempts to ignore

Both lyrics are thematically similar, but the first uses corny rhymes and overt references to Satan, while the second is more subdued and mentions God in a more hidden, natural way. I don't think either are particularly good, but you can see how the second seems to be coming from the lyricist's genuine struggles, and not just a desire to insert religious imagery and characters.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2014, 12:41:36 AM »





Former monk Father Panteleimonas he is married rock/heavymetal singer now (he was singer also in the past before become monk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vEycayr4F4

Their group was well known some years before as paparokades "rock priests" but they call themshelves FREEMONKS. People loved them as I remember and they had 4 cd's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnmv2B7CPXg

As I remember Father Panteleimonas  decide that the fame corrupt the monastery and their Elder and he told that he became monk to love the God but after the group and the fame he was seller, quide, waiter  and many more because of the money the people left to the monastery when they went there to see the paparokades. So he left from the monastery

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2014, 12:46:33 AM »

I hate it. I have never heard a good "Chrisitian Rock" song in my entire life; it all sounds like the same generic garbage that other sort of rock is.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2014, 12:49:43 AM »

I listen to some Christian metal, though for the last few years I've been let down by the releases (Believer, Tourniquet, Extol, Becoming the Archetype, etc.)  But if I like the music, I don't really care what the lyrics are about (and if I do listen to lyrics now it's usually for humor/cheesiness along the lines of a Manowar).
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2014, 12:50:08 AM »

The only heavy metal music I like is that played by a good brass band or the brass section of an orchestra. Of this genre, probably Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture is the best at splitting your ear drums.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2014, 01:00:46 AM »

I love Christian Rock:

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2014, 01:17:52 AM »

As a teenager I used to listen various Christian metal bands and that was pretty much only kind of music I listened to. Nowadays.. meh. Most of it is kinda crappy. I tend to think that people shouldn't combine religion and entertaiments because the result is a combination of bad religion and bad entertaiment. There are some exceptions though. Like this one. Never really read the lyrics but it sounds quite nice and at least it had a sort of reputation of being a Christian band.

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2014, 01:24:29 AM »

As with anything some is good some is not. I listen to music that is Christian and music that is not. Music that is rock and heavy metal and music that is not. I don't think Christians have the market cornered on schlocky, insincere music though.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2014, 11:33:36 AM »

I hate it. I have never heard a good "Chrisitian Rock" song in my entire life

Absolutely. It does however accomplish the difficult feat of combining the worst of both genres.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2014, 12:04:37 PM »

As with anything some is good some is not. I listen to music that is Christian and music that is not. Music that is rock and heavy metal and music that is not. I don't think Christians have the market cornered on schlocky, insincere music though.

True. There used to be a good podcast with Christian rock that focused on the 1980s-1990s. The host stopped doing the show about two years ago, unfortunately. So, now I listen to "Jesus Rocks Classics" on Live 365.com. Despite the odd name, the station has some surprisingly good rock, gospel and funk.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2014, 12:10:55 PM »

Maybe Rock...maybe more Punk, but back in the 80's Undercover was really good......


and before they went all mainstream sell out, early U2 for me also counts as Christian rock....
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2014, 02:54:44 PM »

Most Christian Rock comes off as either too manufactured or forced for my taste.  Also, the musicianship is often sub-par when compared to popular songs in other genres (pop excluded).

If I'm going to listen to good sacred music, I tend to stick to either classical works or Orthodox hymns.   
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2014, 02:57:41 PM »

Garbage.
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2014, 03:02:18 PM »

It's either King's X or nuttin'.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2014, 04:11:36 PM »

Maybe Rock...maybe more Punk, but back in the 80's Undercover was really good......


and before they went all mainstream sell out, early U2 for me also counts as Christian rock....
Undercover,  I've enjoyed them.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2014, 04:15:22 PM »

It is of the devil! No but seriously, I do not like rock music, and I absolutely hate heavy metal. It sounds demonic to me.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2014, 04:16:32 PM »

It is of the devil! No but seriously, I do not like rock music, and I absolutely hate heavy metal. It sounds demonic to me.

Sounds like a Baptist response.  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2014, 04:39:01 PM »

Normally, I don't like Christian rock but I do like some of Switchfoot's music. They have an alternative rock sound so if you don't like that type of music, you probably won't like them. Their lyrics are honest without being sentimental.

A couple of the songs I like:

"Meant to live"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72FkCoJfhgU&feature=kp

or "Gone"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGNPS6-G3EY&feature=kp

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She told him she'd rather fix her makeup
than try and fix what's going on
But the problem keeps on calling
even with the cell phone gone.

She told him that she believes in living
bigger than she's living now
But her world keeps spinning backwards
And upside down.

Don't say so long, and throw your self on.
Don't spend today away, 'cause today will soon be

Gone, like yesterday is gone
Like history is gone
Just try and prove me wrong and
pretend like you're immortal.

She said, he said, live like no tomorrow
Everyday we borrow brings us
one step closer to the edge. Infinity.
Where's your treasure, where's your hope
if you get the world and lose your soul?
She pretends like she pretends like she's immortal.

Don't say so long, you're not that far gone.
This could be your big chance to make-up
Today will soon be

Gone, like yesterday is gone
Like history is gone
The world keeps spinning on
You're going, going
Gone, like summer break is gone,
Like Saturday is gone
Just try and prove me wrong
You pretend like you're immortal (you're immortal)
You're immortal (you're immortal)

Ha-ah

We are not infinite
We are not permanent
Nothing is immediate
We are so confident in our accomplishments.
Look at our decadence.

Gone, like Frank Sinatra, like Elvis and his mom,
Like Al Pacino's cash, nothing lasts in this life.
My High School dreams are gone,
my childhood streets are gone
Life is a day that doesn't last for long.

Life is more than money, time was never money.
Time was never cash, life is still more than girls.
Life is more than hundred dollar bills and roto-tom fills.
Life is more than fame and rock and roll and thrills,
All the riches of the kings end up in wills
We've got information in the information age
but do we know what life is outside of our convenient Lexus cages?

She said he said live like no tomorrow
Every moment that we borrow brings us closer
to the God who's not short of cash
Hey Bono, I'm glad you asked.
Life is still worth living, Life is still worth living.
Life is more that you are.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2014, 01:27:21 AM »

As I ponder this some more, if I wanted to stir controversy I'd say something like anyone who never went beyond the radio in listening to "Christian Rock" doesn't have enough experience to legitimately condemn it. But, I wouldn't want stir controversy so I won't say that.  Grin On the flip side if someone only listened to "Christian Rock" on the radio I would completely understand why they would condemn it.  laugh
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2014, 10:45:19 AM »

I've heard very little decent rock music which is consciously "Christian." The band Trouble is legitimately one of the great giants of 80's doom metal, but it isn't because of their lyrics.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2014, 01:52:47 PM »

It sucks.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2014, 02:00:42 PM »

The Orthodox are just as worldly as the Protestantism I converted from many years ago. This is very disappointing, because when I converted, I thought I was joining the Church of saints. I believe the Church has produced saints, but they belong to a bygone era.

"Christian" rock was created by the Illuminati in order to make Christianity look weak, stupid and worldly.
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2014, 02:40:05 PM »

It's either King's X or nuttin'.

You speak the truth.  Cool

I do work out to other christian metal bands like Theocracy and regular metal bands like Iron Maiden. In the car I'll listen to CCM.

But in Church I like HYMNS.  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2014, 03:11:50 PM »

I've heard very little decent rock music which is consciously "Christian." The band Trouble is legitimately one of the great giants of 80's doom metal, but it isn't because of their lyrics.
Trouble is good.  I think I have one of their albums.
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2014, 04:16:47 PM »

It seems like an unnecessary gimmick, otherwise it's some sort of forced platform to preach that's desperately trying to keep up with the modern world. Not to say it can't sound good, but with experience, I find it... pretty generic and kind of paradoxical.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2014, 05:01:47 PM »

There is a difference between worship music and music that has religious subject matter. I could listen to the second category, but for me, such music must be melodic and not contain overly heretical content. That said, I do not like modern rock and thus I have not even begun to listen to Christian rock, which I assume is like modern rock.
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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2014, 10:06:04 PM »

The Truth behind Christian Rock: according to Hank Hill

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2014, 11:45:55 PM »

Rocking for the one who is the Rock!

Christian metal, or not metal at all/schismatics and heretics, leave the hall!

God made heavy metal, and He saw that it was good/He said to pray louder than hell, we promised that we would

Christians gathered in their masses/just like bishops at hierarchal masses/holy mind that plots destruction/of that demonically wicked construction

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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2014, 10:00:35 AM »

Rocking for the one who is the Rock!

Christian metal, or not metal at all/schismatics and heretics, leave the hall!

God made heavy metal, and He saw that it was good/He said to pray louder than hell, we promised that we would

Christians gathered in their masses/just like bishops at hierarchal masses/holy mind that plots destruction/of that demonically wicked construction

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Are you saying Metal came from the Rock?
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2014, 10:01:13 AM »

Depends. It has to be really good. I really like Demon Hunter.
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2014, 01:01:03 PM »

Christian rock like any genre has a high noise to signal ratio, but I find Christian CCM including rock has so much mediocrity that I stay away from most of it.  I do not listen to much Christan music because it just does not inspire me outside of chants and old African American gospel hymns.

I am still waiting for some great artistic Christian rock/metal/jazz/blues/hip-hop/IDM.

The music that connects me with with God the most is TOOL which whist not the most Christian friendly band, they do have a depth and and open interpretation of their music that I can fill in with Jesus as the point of light and enlightenment.

While on the subject If anyone has any recommendations for good artistic Christian music in general I wold love to explode and check them out. 
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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2014, 01:51:16 PM »

While on the subject If anyone has any recommendations for good artistic Christian music in general I wold love to explode and check them out. 

Does John Rutter count?
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2014, 02:32:10 PM »

Depends. It has to be really good. I really like Demon Hunter.

I've always had a soft spot for Demon Hunter as well. Deteriorate, Carry Me Down, Thorns, One Thousand Apologies, and My Heartstrings Come Undone. Haven't listened to them in a while though.

Also used to really like Mae, but they're more indie rock I guess.
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2014, 03:29:39 PM »

Are you saying Metal came from the Rock?

Of course. Alloys as well, such as the Bible.
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2014, 04:38:02 PM »

Rocking for the one who is the Rock!

Christian metal, or not metal at all/schismatics and heretics, leave the hall!

God made heavy metal, and He saw that it was good/He said to pray louder than hell, we promised that we would

Christians gathered in their masses/just like bishops at hierarchal masses/holy mind that plots destruction/of that demonically wicked construction

Give me God/give me Christ/give me that/which gives me life

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To the OP- I have a nostalgic soft-spot for some Christian rock from the mid-90s. dc Talk's Jesus Freak actually had some pretty good songwriting on it, though the lyrics occasionally dipped into the realm of banal (likewise from a Christian rap standpoint DC Talk's Free At Last was a pretty adventurous album for the time period for any rap album, Christian or secular), Supernatural was less good but still had some standout tracks. The Newsboys albums from Not Ashamed to Take Me To Your Leader provided some excellent examples of not only tight songwriting, but clever lyricism with only the occasional banality (mostly on Not Ashamed). Jars of Clay's self-titled was probably the best non-Unplugged(TM) acoustic rock album of the '90s. Pretty much anything from Tooth'n Nail records' mid 90s output I could still put in my playlist today.

Unfortunately, the success of the three bands mentioned paved the way for Christian rock as serious (secular) business, with the resultant decline in quality from all acts to follow. I couldn't stand bands like POD or Reliant K which made it into the mainstream in the late 90s and early 2000s and basically stopped listening to Christian rock in general right around that time.

Edit: I also enjoy late-80s Petra in the same way I enjoy 80s music in general. It was music I heard as a pre-teen, and This Means War hits the same neural pleasure networks as The Ghostbusters Theme, The Power of Love, or Video Killed the Radio Star.
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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2014, 04:42:34 PM »

Definitely not original, though I modified them a bit. angel They were (in order): Stryper, Manowar, Manowar, Black Sabbath, Metallica.
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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2014, 04:45:19 PM »

Definitely not original, though I modified them a bit. angel They were (in order): Stryper, Manowar, Manowar, Black Sabbath, Metallica.

Bleh. I should have definitely caught the Stryper one  laugh
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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2014, 04:52:01 PM »

It is of the devil! No but seriously, I do not like rock music, and I absolutely hate heavy metal. It sounds demonic to me.

Sounds like a Baptist response.  Grin

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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2014, 09:13:08 PM »

Christian rock like any genre has a high noise to signal ratio, but I find Christian CCM including rock has so much mediocrity that I stay away from most of it.  I do not listen to much Christan music because it just does not inspire me outside of chants and old African American gospel hymns.

I am still waiting for some great artistic Christian rock/metal/jazz/blues/hip-hop/IDM.

The music that connects me with with God the most is TOOL which whist not the most Christian friendly band, they do have a depth and and open interpretation of their music that I can fill in with Jesus as the point of light and enlightenment.

While on the subject If anyone has any recommendations for good artistic Christian music in general I wold love to explode and check them out. 

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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2014, 06:37:39 AM »

I remember Jack Chick and his groupies condemning it as satanic; just sayin'...
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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2014, 07:13:22 AM »

Christian rock like any genre has a high noise to signal ratio, but I find Christian CCM including rock has so much mediocrity that I stay away from most of it.  I do not listen to much Christan music because it just does not inspire me outside of chants and old African American gospel hymns.

I am still waiting for some great artistic Christian rock/metal/jazz/blues/hip-hop/IDM.

The music that connects me with with God the most is TOOL which whist not the most Christian friendly band, they do have a depth and and open interpretation of their music that I can fill in with Jesus as the point of light and enlightenment.

While on the subject If anyone has any recommendations for good artistic Christian music in general I wold love to explode and check them out. 

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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2014, 03:31:33 PM »

I remember Jack Chick and his groupies condemning it as satanic; just sayin'...

Yeah, Lewis Siffer and his "Killer Rock" organization were exposed in one of his tracts.
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2014, 12:16:04 PM »

Yinz just haven't been exposed to good Christian rock.

But I can change that :3
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« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2014, 01:01:37 PM »

To the OP- I have a nostalgic soft-spot for some Christian rock from the mid-90s. dc Talk's Jesus Freak actually had some pretty good songwriting on it, though the lyrics occasionally dipped into the realm of banal (likewise from a Christian rap standpoint DC Talk's Free At Last was a pretty adventurous album for the time period for any rap album, Christian or secular), Supernatural was less good but still had some standout tracks. The Newsboys albums from Not Ashamed to Take Me To Your Leader provided some excellent examples of not only tight songwriting, but clever lyricism with only the occasional banality (mostly on Not Ashamed). Jars of Clay's self-titled was probably the best non-Unplugged(TM) acoustic rock album of the '90s. Pretty much anything from Tooth'n Nail records' mid 90s output I could still put in my playlist today.

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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2014, 01:27:44 PM »

Hmm. In my evangelical subculture teenie bopper years I was listening to a lot of Christian pop.

Not something I like to remember now xD
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« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2014, 02:21:08 PM »

Christian rock like any genre has a high noise to signal ratio, but I find Christian CCM including rock has so much mediocrity that I stay away from most of it.  I do not listen to much Christan music because it just does not inspire me outside of chants and old African American gospel hymns.

I am still waiting for some great artistic Christian rock/metal/jazz/blues/hip-hop/IDM.

The music that connects me with with God the most is TOOL which whist not the most Christian friendly band, they do have a depth and and open interpretation of their music that I can fill in with Jesus as the point of light and enlightenment.

While on the subject If anyone has any recommendations for good artistic Christian music in general I wold love to explode and check them out. 

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