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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #135 on: February 27, 2014, 10:37:15 AM »

Now how about those stats you keep promising?

Stats are all very well, but I'm hanging out for where he gets this teaching of angel-husbands for single women.

And if such women later find someone to marry, does this mean they then have to divorce their angel-husband?  :o

I'm so confused.  :-X

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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #136 on: February 27, 2014, 10:37:39 AM »
You are the one reainf the King James Bible. I'm reading the real deal.


You're reading Wycliffe, not Greek or Hebrew, so it is most definitely not "the real deal".  I use a translation for my regular reading.  For study purposes, I go back to the original languages (because I can) as well as reviewing several different translations.  The KJV is not among my usual go-to translations, though I have a couple of copies in my library.  

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It would have said 'Adam' was made in Gods image, but trust me women are not made in Gods likeness because they arent here for the same purposes as men. Their roles are completely different.

No, I don't trust you to speak with any sort of knowledge or authority on any matters related to orthodox faith and practice.  Even when you say something agreeable (not usually the case), your presuppositions are so skewed that I can't agree with you.  Most of the time, it's not just your presuppositions.  
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #137 on: February 27, 2014, 11:01:37 AM »
He was a successful L. Ron Hubbard of the desert in that he synchronized aspects of Judaism and Christianity.  Technically and literally, he was an antichrist.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #138 on: February 27, 2014, 11:11:00 AM »
I think its important to ponder what would happen if Islam mever same about. No Jihad. No sword mentality. Just pre-islam cookiness. It's obvious to me their lands would be German countries. Too much oil for the taking.

Heck, the Germans eventually took over the Vatican. God doesnt like globalism. I feel Islam was a shield against this. We're living proof that it was succesful. I still wonder how a single person in a tribe of Pagans and crazy, arab culture is able to lead battles and socially reform an entire region in such a short time. It's quite amazing. It must have been the Hand Of God. He has a history of doing this. God knows Ishmaels people very well and cares for them. He knew what would 'work' for them I guess.

Now that they are in our countries, maybe God will use them to bring Christians back to their roots. Everything they are doing we started first. Fasting, head covering, eating pork, Jihad, all of it. Their women are so pure and righteous. No divorce. No ruined lives. No broken homes and families. No worries of cheating. No mr mom while wife goes out to party and Dad stays at home looking after kids and the wife doesnt call and comes home extra late. Non of that. The head covering brings out the best of them as women. The hair is a natural veil. The woman being veiled is natural for her. Its something us men dont understand.



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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #139 on: February 27, 2014, 12:36:04 PM »
Great post to prove why i use the Wycliffe Bible as the true perserved Word.

You are quoting a verse to imply that men and women are the same which is incorrect. 1 Corinthians 11 demonstrates this very clearly and it honestly saddens me that this kind of feminist equality rights stuff is in the Church at all. It equally saddens me that modern Bible translation have been fueled with an equality agenda.

But lets see what the Wycliffe Bible says (this is also a way to validate my enorsement of the Wycliffe Bible):

Genesis 5 This is the book of the generation(s) of Adam, in the day wherein God made man of nought <nothing>. God made man to the image and likeness of God; 2. God formed them male and female, and blessed them, and called the name of them Adam <Man>, in the day in which they were formed.

Now that's quite a different translation isnt it? Peace be on John Wycliffe for perserving the Word.

So you're a Protestant.  Very well.  

You are the one reainf the King James Bible. I'm reading the real deal.

Why do you think that the Wycliffe translation into English is the "Real Deal"?  Why not the Tyndale or Douay-Reims, for example, which also were before the KJV?  Why do you not like the King Jame's Version?  

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The quote above from the perserved, real Bible clarifies that Only Adam was made in the image of God. St. Paul clarifies this in 1 corinthians 11.

No it doesn't in the real meaning of the Middle English that Wycliffe spoke and wrote. This is about the meanings of words and their roots and when a word is used now it can have a different meaning than that which it had at another time.   You are applying your Modern English meaning to the Middle English word.  Languages change over time and there is a span of more than 600 years between Wycliffe and now.  

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You are familar with with how difficult the translations are if you remember back to that post. These are almost pictograms.

How would you know what people on this forum are familiar with?  There are some here who can read other languages and scripts.  What are the "almost pictograms"?  Hebrew letters?  Old or Middle English?  Just because some may find them difficult doesn't mean that there aren't people who are trained and qualified to read many old scripts.  

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There is a 'male man' then an 'Adam man'. 'Son of man' means 'son of Adam'.

Adam means 'Adam the name of a person'
Adam also means 'Man'
Eve means 'life (giving)'.
Then theres 'him', 'men', 'male', 'man'

The Wycliffe Bible says that only 'men' where made in the image of God. Then later it says that both of them were called Adam (Man).  

No, it doesn't.  You list is not true as to those words and particularly not with some of them in Wycliffe's Middle English.  We are using Modern English which is different from Middle English which is different from Old English which is where a lot of our words come from.  

"Man" in Old and Middle English did not mean only those with an XY chromosome. It meant a person, a bi-pedal, carbon-based human.

"man (n.) Old English man, mann "human being, person (male or female); brave man, hero; servant, vassal," from Proto-Germanic *manwaz (cf. Old Saxon, Swedish, Dutch, Old High German man, German Mann, Old Norse maðr, Danish mand, Gothic manna "man"), (emphasis added)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Man&searchmode=none

Male (n.) late 14c., "male human being; male fish or land animal," from Old French masle (adj.) "masculine, male, adult," also used as a noun (12c., Modern French mâle), from Latin masculus "masculine, male, worthy of a man"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Male&searchmode=none
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Adam  masc. proper name, Biblical name of the first man, from Hebrew adam "man," literally "(the one formed from the) ground" (Hebrew adamah "ground") (emphasis added)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Adam&searchmode=none

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It would have said 'Adam' was made in Gods image, but trust me women are not made in Gods likeness because they arent here for the same purposes as men.Their roles are completely different.

Why should anyone trust you in this, please?  Why should anyone listen to you about how to live?  What authority are you?

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. Up to 70% of all divorces are innitiated by women last I read.

And where did you read this, please?  What is your source and why do you think it is trustworthy?  As they say on Wikipedia "Citation needed".

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The beginning of the Boble demonstrates this clearly. Theres a reason why the woman covers her head, it instantly changer her demenor and brings the best of rightousness her out. She doesnt flirt with men, think of divorce, etc. she instantly becomes 'good' when she's under headship.

Where in the beginning of the Bible is there any instruction for women to wear such a magical piece of cloth that its application "instantly changes" her? God clothes Adam and Eve with "coats of skins" after the Fall.  There's no mention of covered heads.



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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #140 on: February 27, 2014, 02:18:59 PM »

a sobering but very good post, Mor.  And a "lower divorce rate" can come from the women having no voice/ability to even try to escape from a horrible situation.  Then there are the cases where a woman is killed but excuses of "accidents" or "suicide" are used to cover things up.


In my personal opinion, the above statements come from Satan. He has used them to destroy families and marriages. They have been placed in all of our moral fibre and have nothing to do with biblical teaching.

Men are not animals that beat on women for fun. This goes against human nature. We're not all destructive sociopaths. Just use common sense.

When men get angry at women, there's a reason. Its not for sport and not for fun. I've had ex gf's attack me countless times. With shoes, claws, fangs. You name it. I'll never forger my one ex, who was a Hindu, and i was sleeping in the bed and i woke up to her giving me a FULL FORCE punch in the face. Yes.. Right while I was sleeping. Its funny looking back at it. Maybe it was me paying for everything, driving her everywhere, letting her live at my place rent free, dropping her off, and picking her up, dedicating all my life to her. Then she went back to Vancouver to visit him, got with her ex bf, and cheated on me. I was so nice and generous i took her back.

How did it end after 8 months? Me being an emotionally abusive man. I was abusive. Yup. A laughable joke that Satan has put into moral code.

You want to meet a real, true pius woman that is humble and loves me and appreciates me? Come meet my wife. You'll see what a real woman is about. We go to casino, eat out, go on vacation, drink, have fun. I buy her gifts and all that. But she isnt some new age woman that cries abuse. She hates feminism and has a natural dislike for 'ambitious' women. She dislikes school teachers and other wards of the state. She has a phobea of snakes. Thats a clue how righteous she is. Why? Cause the MUSLIMS DIDN'T STEAL HER AWAY FROM US.

LOOK HOW THEY STOLD THEM FROM AWAY FROM RIGHTEOUS MEN



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Pecious Wife and mother.. Im serious about the STEALING thing.. I dont have time to research



What proof do you have that Christian women had the same conduct as Muslim women today?

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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #141 on: February 27, 2014, 02:33:05 PM »
Great post to prove why i use the Wycliffe Bible as the true perserved Word.

You are quoting a verse to imply that men and women are the same which is incorrect. 1 Corinthians 11 demonstrates this very clearly and it honestly saddens me that this kind of feminist equality rights stuff is in the Church at all. It equally saddens me that modern Bible translation have been fueled with an equality agenda.

But lets see what the Wycliffe Bible says (this is also a way to validate my enorsement of the Wycliffe Bible):

Genesis 5 This is the book of the generation(s) of Adam, in the day wherein God made man of nought <nothing>. God made man to the image and likeness of God; 2. God formed them male and female, and blessed them, and called the name of them Adam <Man>, in the day in which they were formed.

Now that's quite a different translation isnt it? Peace be on John Wycliffe for perserving the Word.

So you're a Protestant.  Very well. 

You are the one reainf the King James Bible. I'm reading the real deal.

Why do you think that the Wycliffe translation into English is the "Real Deal"?  Why not the Tyndale or Douay-Reims, for example, which also were before the KJV?  Why do you not like the King Jame's Version? 

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The quote above from the perserved, real Bible clarifies that Only Adam was made in the image of God. St. Paul clarifies this in 1 corinthians 11.

No it doesn't in the real meaning of the Middle English that Wycliffe spoke and wrote. This is about the meanings of words and their roots and when a word is used now it can have a different meaning than that which it had at another time.   You are applying your Modern English meaning to the Middle English word.  Languages change over time and there is a span of more than 600 years between Wycliffe and now. 

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You are familar with with how difficult the translations are if you remember back to that post. These are almost pictograms.

How would you know what people on this forum are familiar with?  There are some here who can read other languages and scripts.  What are the "almost pictograms"?  Hebrew letters?  Old or Middle English?  Just because some may find them difficult doesn't mean that there aren't people who are trained and qualified to read many old scripts. 

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There is a 'male man' then an 'Adam man'. 'Son of man' means 'son of Adam'.

Adam means 'Adam the name of a person'
Adam also means 'Man'
Eve means 'life (giving)'.
Then theres 'him', 'men', 'male', 'man'

The Wycliffe Bible says that only 'men' where made in the image of God. Then later it says that both of them were called Adam (Man). 

No, it doesn't.  You list is not true as to those words and particularly not with some of them in Wycliffe's Middle English.  We are using Modern English which is different from Middle English which is different from Old English which is where a lot of our words come from. 

"Man" in Old and Middle English did not mean only those with an XY chromosome. It meant a person, a bi-pedal, carbon-based human.

"man (n.) Old English man, mann "human being, person (male or female); brave man, hero; servant, vassal," from Proto-Germanic *manwaz (cf. Old Saxon, Swedish, Dutch, Old High German man, German Mann, Old Norse maðr, Danish mand, Gothic manna "man"), (emphasis added)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Man&searchmode=none

Male (n.) late 14c., "male human being; male fish or land animal," from Old French masle (adj.) "masculine, male, adult," also used as a noun (12c., Modern French mâle), from Latin masculus "masculine, male, worthy of a man"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Male&searchmode=none
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Adam  masc. proper name, Biblical name of the first man, from Hebrew adam "man," literally "(the one formed from the) ground" (Hebrew adamah "ground") (emphasis added)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Adam&searchmode=none

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It would have said 'Adam' was made in Gods image, but trust me women are not made in Gods likeness because they arent here for the same purposes as men.Their roles are completely different.

Why should anyone trust you in this, please?  Why should anyone listen to you about how to live?  What authority are you?

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. Up to 70% of all divorces are innitiated by women last I read.

And where did you read this, please?  What is your source and why do you think it is trustworthy?  As they say on Wikipedia "Citation needed".

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The beginning of the Boble demonstrates this clearly. Theres a reason why the woman covers her head, it instantly changer her demenor and brings the best of rightousness her out. She doesnt flirt with men, think of divorce, etc. she instantly becomes 'good' when she's under headship.

Where in the beginning of the Bible is there any instruction for women to wear such a magical piece of cloth that its application "instantly changes" her? God clothes Adam and Eve with "coats of skins" after the Fall.  There's no mention of covered heads.

Cackles, you have a very non-Orthodox understanding of Scripture and it's interpretation.

First, the Septuagint is the official Old Testament of the Orthodox Church, not the Masoretic. Secondly, the Jewish Rabbis' interpretation of Scripture led them to reject and kill Christ on the Cross. Therefore, taking their interpretations as normative in the Church is really quite strange.

I also find it odd how you can call the Wycliffe Bible "the Word of God", are you saying that the translation is itself inspired? I'd say that only the original language texts are inspired, that's what I understand the Orthodox Church teaches too. Not a translation.

If you are a Protestant, believe in the Bible-alone, not in Jewish Rabbis.

If you are Orthodox, believe in the Church and her Tradition.

If you believe in Jewish Rabbis, be a Jew.

My take.  8)
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #142 on: February 27, 2014, 04:01:36 PM »
You are the one reainf the King James Bible. I'm reading the real deal.

The real deal is the Septuagint. God didn't wait for Wycliffe to instruct His Church right.

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Αὕτη ἡ βίβλος γενέσεως ἀνθρώπων· ᾗ ἡμέρᾳ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν Αδαμ, κατ’ εἰκόνα θεοῦ ἐποίησεν αὐτόν· 2 ἄρσεν καὶ θῆλυ ἐποίησεν αὐτοὺς καὶ εὐλόγησεν αὐτούς. καὶ ἐπωνόμασεν τὸ ὄνομα αὐτῶν Αδαμ, ᾗ ἡμέρᾳ ἐποίησεν αὐτούς.

http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/physis/septuagint-genesis/5.asp

All the bolded words are plural. The very first one, ανθρώπων (humankind), rather than ανδρών (men) blows your theory (or Wycliffe's, whichever) out of the water; the last one (Adam means human, not male) finishes it off.

Now how about those stats you keep promising?

Lol modern Greek isnt the origional language. All the changes are in those texts.

The closest you're going to get is the Wycliffe Bible.

'Adam' is like someone having a name 'Guy'. Are you talking about 'Guy' or 'a guy'.

With Adam its extra difficult because it's the name of a person, it translates to 'a man' and also 'Man' (as in man kindkind).

Again you have to be mindful of thos earlier alphabets. This is also why I believe that Wycliffes Bible is the closest we have to the true perserved word.

I mean.. Lol..It's our Bible afterall made by Saint Jermone who moved to Israel himself to learn Hebrew and work on this project for the Church. Its the only Bible officially endorsed by the Vatican.

Protestant Evangelicals later came and called it a heresey and the King of the England decided to make a new Bible so he could be granted a divorce and re-marriage to some other woman. A government project. And this is to be a trusted translation? I still am amazed that the Orthodox decision makers would purposely chose the KJV for the study Bible. I just cant see the logic there (beside the royalty free translation of the KJV).

Do you want a Bible that was translated in the time of Ancient greek by our church, or do you want a government project that was made 1200 YEARS LATER FROM LATER MANUSCRIPTS IN ORDER TO HELP A KING GET A DIVORCE.

The Wycliffe Bible is the closest you will get to the perserved word of God in English. It just keeps proving it's reliability over and over and it's a blessing that im amazed most people arent aware of.

Genesis 5 This is the book of the generation(s) of Adam (Adam the person in this context), in the day wherein God made (the) man of nought <nothing, nothing of value, importance> (Remember, only Adam was made of 'nought', Eve was made from Adam. This implies that the first statement is talking about ADAM not Eve). God made (the) man (or men) to the image and likeness of God; (why isnt Eve included here? Why does she only get included in the next sentence? Read 1 Corinthians 11 to see why as proof which people are not willing to face). 2. God formed them male and female, and blessed them, and called the name of them Adam <Man> (As in mankind), in the day in which they were formed.

This was also a 'reflection' back on Genesis 2. It was basically paraphrasing so it wasnt direct testement or commandment. The origional Genesis 2 overrides paraphrasing in Genesis 5. This goes for any Biblical paraphrasing of earlier verses.

As far as feminisim (the religion of Secular Humanism), and their effect on women and divorce:

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Women initiate between 66% and 90% of all divorces. You might think that's because men do things to make marriage untenable -- like cheat or hit them -- but I hear about women divorcing because he didn't help with the baby, he was emotionally unavailable, or because they grew apart. Countless women tell me they divorced because their husbands weren't capable of meeting their needs.

When the women I work with learn intimacy skills, it changes the way they see a previous marriage. Some women tell me that they realize they were married to a good guy, but divorced because they lacked the skills to have a happy relationship. Sometimes it causes them enormous grief.

And thats not even the stats of how the kids turn out. People who never had divorce in their family move from Places like Syria, come to the US, have kids, the kids go to school, get their head filled with nonsense thinking they come from monkeys. The school system breaks their belief in God. They take on Humanist morals (which honestly are all over the church and even these forums)' the bering these 'non Christian' morals into the marriage, and the above quote happens. For the first time the family has divorce.

The divorced wife lives bitter and spiteful as a curse, seeking happiness is casual dating of men, some even married, now her kids have no Father end up getting in trouble with the law, teenage pregnency, etc. they use the kids as pawns in the divorce, the call the police on med.. Its just terrible what women are *CAPABLE* of doing. Our society has set it up this way. Now she's not only ruined the Fathers life, but ruined the children, and their children through all the generations. It now becomes a societal problem.

All this happens because women are prone to lostening to snakes and liars. Men are prone to being fooled by women because we're pure and gullable until we get corrupted. The woman gives life in all society, but she can also destroy it too. Satan uses the anti-christian religion of Secular Humanism to do this. where everyone is equal.

Ok look.. God hates the act of ---- because he made a man and a woman to have relations. When a --- and --- have relations, It means you are denying Gods creation. You are mocking it and putting your own flesh befor God which breaks the first commandment.

When you attempt to say that the man is equal to women before God, then you are doing the same as above. You are ignoring why God made Eve, and furthermore, you are using the Bible to promote this false Humanism teaching of equality between men and women. ALTHOUGH ITS OK IF YOU DONT KNOW BETTER WHAT YOUR DOING. But if you know better and still decide to promote Humanism through the backing of Gods blessing, well then yikes..

This Secular Humanism and equality stuff is very new in our western societies. Maybe many dont live in our countries to understand how it is here. Families come here, the kids get divorced for the first time in the family. They break their affiliation to the Church. We live under a state religion that is at odds with ours true religion. The Muslims are fighting hard to keep what they have. This is why they are trying to imtroduce Sharia. I never knew this until i knew the purpose. Sharia is just a copy off Judiasm and Christianity and what we should be doing. Our legal system began as our own 'Sharia'. Now we have Secular Humanist based law. We should now have our own courts like the muslims want because we are also becoming a minority.

But this destruction of society ultimately starts with Woman the life giver. She gives us life, and can also destroy it. Try to see what Muslims women are doing.. MAYBE THEY STOLD THEM FROM US?



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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #143 on: February 27, 2014, 04:05:05 PM »
I'm confused as how any of this has to do with if Mohammed was insane.

Besides posting a lot of pictures of pretty Muslim women.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #144 on: February 27, 2014, 04:12:29 PM »
I'm confused as how any of this has to do with if Mohammed was insane.

Besides posting a lot of pictures of pretty Muslim women.

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« Reply #145 on: February 27, 2014, 04:16:33 PM »
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Lol modern Greek isnt the origional language. All the changes are in those texts.

The closest you're going to get is the Wycliffe Bible.

Where do you get 'modern Greek' from? The Septuagint is Koine.

And why is the Wycliffe Bible the best you'll get? You make no sense. Koine Greek is the language of the Septuagint and the New Testament.

As for, 'changes to the text' the Wycliffe Bible has these changes too. Every Bible version does. There is no 'unchanged' version of the Bible.

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I mean.. Lol..It's our Bible afterall made by Saint Jermone who moved to Israel himself to learn Hebrew and work on this project for the Church. Its the only Bible officially endorsed by the Vatican.

No. That's the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate. The Septuagint was written before the Masoretic text. Even before Christ.

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Protestant Evangelicals later came and called it a heresey and the King of the England decided to make a new Bible so he could be granted a divorce and re-marriage to some other woman. A government project. And this is to be a trusted translation? I still am amazed that the Orthodox decision makers would purposely chose the KJV for the study Bible. I just cant see the logic there (beside the royalty free translation of the KJV).

I agree that the KJV isn't the best translation around, but why does that matter? The Orthodox could do fine with any translation through the guidance of the Church.

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Do you want a Bible that was translated in the time of Ancient greek by our church, or do you want a government project that was made 1200 YEARS LATER FROM LATER MANUSCRIPTS IN ORDER TO HELP A KING GET A DIVORCE.

The Wycliffe Bible is the closest you will get to the perserved word of God in English. It just keeps proving it's reliability over and over and it's a blessing that im amazed most people arent aware of.

There is no preserved word of God in English. Only in Hebrew and Greek.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #146 on: February 27, 2014, 04:19:12 PM »
I'm confused as how any of this has to do with if Mohammed was insane.

Besides posting a lot of pictures of pretty Muslim women.

Cackles has a gift.

Can someone here who didn't see my question in politics answer why hip-o-matic is now the default image hosting service being used by everyone here?

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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #147 on: February 27, 2014, 06:21:44 PM »
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If she acts righteous, God will send down an angel to be her husband.

Where does this teaching come from? 
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Still waiting for an answer to this, Cackles. And an answer to what happens to the angel-husband if the woman later marries.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #148 on: February 27, 2014, 06:24:56 PM »
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If she acts righteous, God will send down an angel to be her husband.

Where does this teaching come from?
???

Still waiting for an answer to this, Cackles. And an answer to what happens to the angel-husband if the woman later marries.

Many women in Church history were married to Angels. There are some rather well known ones (EDIT: ANGELS) we talk about all the time.

LBK, look for agreement. You can do it. It is called charity.

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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #149 on: February 27, 2014, 06:38:01 PM »
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If she acts righteous, God will send down an angel to be her husband.

Where does this teaching come from?
???

Still waiting for an answer to this, Cackles. And an answer to what happens to the angel-husband if the woman later marries.

Many women in Church history were married to Angels. There are some rather well known ones (EDIT: ANGELS) we talk about all the time.

LBK, look for agreement. You can do it. It is called charity.



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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #150 on: February 27, 2014, 07:37:26 PM »
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If she acts righteous, God will send down an angel to be her husband.

Where does this teaching come from?
???

Still waiting for an answer to this, Cackles. And an answer to what happens to the angel-husband if the woman later marries.

Many women in Church history were married to Angels. There are some rather well known ones (EDIT: ANGELS) we talk about all the time.

LBK, look for agreement. You can do it. It is called charity.



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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #151 on: February 27, 2014, 07:43:55 PM »
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If she acts righteous, God will send down an angel to be her husband.

Where does this teaching come from?
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Still waiting for an answer to this, Cackles. And an answer to what happens to the angel-husband if the woman later marries.

Many women in Church history were married to Angels. There are some rather well known ones (EDIT: ANGELS) we talk about all the time.

LBK, look for agreement. You can do it. It is called charity.



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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #152 on: February 27, 2014, 07:44:02 PM »
Feel free to take your misogyny elsewhere. ::)

It would seem he would be in good company on any given Christian board, especially an Orthodox one.

But seriously, Cackles don't go, you are about the only interesting thing around here as of late.

No need to go, just to check the crazy at the door. It will be returned intact on exit.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #153 on: February 27, 2014, 08:26:11 PM »
Lol modern Greek isnt the origional language. All the changes are in those texts.

We understand that you don't know Greek. 

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Again you have to be mindful of thos earlier alphabets. This is also why I believe that Wycliffes Bible is the closest we have to the true perserved word.

I mean.. Lol..It's our Bible afterall made by Saint Jermone who moved to Israel himself to learn Hebrew and work on this project for the Church. Its the only Bible officially endorsed by the Vatican.

Wycliffe translated St Jerome's Vulgate? 

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Be amazed.

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All this happens because women are prone to lostening to snakes and liars.

Are these literal snakes, or is "snakes" symbolic for something else?

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Ok look.. God hates the act of ---- because he made a man and a woman to have relations. When a --- and --- have relations, It means you are denying Gods creation. You are mocking it and putting your own flesh befor God which breaks the first commandment.

What are "----", "---", and "---"? 

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But this destruction of society ultimately starts with Woman the life giver. She gives us life, and can also destroy it. Try to see what Muslims women are doing.. MAYBE THEY STOLD THEM FROM US?

Do you think Muslims literally kidnapped Christian women over the centuries?  Or do you mean "stole" as a metaphor for something else? 
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #154 on: February 27, 2014, 08:27:43 PM »
No. That's the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate.

The Vulgate is not Roman Catholic unless St Jerome was a Roman Catholic.  St Jerome was Orthodox, and so his translation his part of our heritage as well. 
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #155 on: February 27, 2014, 08:28:29 PM »
Send him a PM if you want to play gotcha games.

LOL. 
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #156 on: February 27, 2014, 08:48:24 PM »
No. That's the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate.

The Vulgate is not Roman Catholic unless St Jerome was a Roman Catholic.  St Jerome was Orthodox, and so his translation his part of our heritage as well. 

Well, the Orthodox haven't used it for over one thousand years. Officially, anyway. It's much more the intellectual property of the Roman Church than the Eastern Church.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #157 on: February 27, 2014, 08:55:37 PM »
Well, the Orthodox haven't used it for over one thousand years. Officially, anyway. It's much more the intellectual property of the Roman Church than the Eastern Church.

That's a silly argument.  I've heard recordings of Paschal services on the Holy Mountain and in Greece and attended such services in America where the Gospel is read in Latin (and a number of other languages).  Where are they getting this text if not the Vulgate?  

You don't have to trash wide swaths of our common heritage to be Orthodox.  
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #158 on: February 27, 2014, 09:28:20 PM »
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If she acts righteous, God will send down an angel to be her husband.

Where does this teaching come from?
???

Still waiting for an answer to this, Cackles. And an answer to what happens to the angel-husband if the woman later marries.

Many women in Church history were married to Angels. There are some rather well known ones (EDIT: ANGELS) we talk about all the time.

LBK, look for agreement. You can do it. It is called charity.



I didn't ask you, orthonorm, I asked Cackles.  :police:

Why do you care who alleviates your ignorance?

Send him a PM if you want to play gotcha games.

Cackles made his post on the public forum, not through PM. I'm not into anyone putting words into other people's mouths, it's only fair and proper that they answer for themselves.  :police:
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #159 on: February 28, 2014, 12:25:22 AM »
I'm confused as how any of this has to do with if Mohammed was insane.

Besides posting a lot of pictures of pretty Muslim women.

Maybe it's just as well since a serious discussion of the OP could spark a riot somewhere and get someone killed. 

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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #160 on: February 28, 2014, 08:04:28 AM »
No. That's the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate.

The Vulgate is not Roman Catholic unless St Jerome was a Roman Catholic.  St Jerome was Orthodox, and so his translation his part of our heritage as well. 

Yes.

And the Wycliffe Bible is a must must must when picking apart bible quotes. The fruit is ubelievable.

Think about it, the first ever Bible ever compiled. A 400 CE translation in Israel directly into Latin. They would have known the true meanings of that wild old Greek script.

Then at 1395 the Latin Vulgate itself from Latin directly to middle English - a RELIABLE translation.

Then from Middle English to Modern English.

Then some gramatical, unintrusive cleanup.. Kostly sentence structure, but even then the Wycliffe STILL keeps the origional sentence structure so often its annoying to have 2 verses of the same thing, but more info is better than less.

Here's a challenge. Compare the verse below to your Bibles and see what it says. The descriptions are of real significance. Either they left them out on purpose, or they couldnt handle the translation as it was difficult Hebrew to decode. I'm guessing the they wanted to take things out.

Isaiah 34:14
Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
14 And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like asses in the nether part, and an hairy, shall meet; one shall cry to another. Lamia shall lie there, and find rest there to herself; (And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like donkeys in the lower part, and hairy all over, shall meet; and one shall cry to the other. The lamia shall lie down there, and shall find rest there for herself;)
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #161 on: February 28, 2014, 08:49:08 AM »
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If she acts righteous, God will send down an angel to be her husband.

Where does this teaching come from? 
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Still waiting for an answer to this, Cackles. And an answer to what happens to the angel-husband if the woman later marries.

Still waiting for an answer, Cackles.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #162 on: February 28, 2014, 08:56:48 AM »

Isaiah 34:14
Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
14 And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like asses in the nether part, and an hairy, shall meet; one shall cry to another. Lamia shall lie there, and find rest there to herself; (And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like donkeys in the lower part, and hairy all over, shall meet; and one shall cry to the other. The lamia shall lie down there, and shall find rest there for herself;)

Here's the original Greek (Septuagint) of this verse:

14 καὶ συναντήσουσι δαιμόνια ὀνοκενταύροις καὶ βοήσονται ἕτερος πρὸς τὸν ἕτερον· ἐκεῖ ἀναπαύσονται ὀνοκεύνταυροι, εὗρον γὰρ αὐτοῖς ἀνάπαυσιν.

No mention at all of hairiness or nether regions.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #163 on: February 28, 2014, 09:21:39 AM »
Well, the Orthodox haven't used it for over one thousand years. Officially, anyway. It's much more the intellectual property of the Roman Church than the Eastern Church.

That's a silly argument.  I've heard recordings of Paschal services on the Holy Mountain and in Greece and attended such services in America where the Gospel is read in Latin (and a number of other languages).  Where are they getting this text if not the Vulgate?  

You don't have to trash wide swaths of our common heritage to be Orthodox.  

Who's trashing anybody? I am just pointing out that Catholics have used the Vulgate far longer, it's very much a textual tradition that they have developed and held to.
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« Reply #164 on: February 28, 2014, 09:23:06 AM »
No. That's the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate.

The Vulgate is not Roman Catholic unless St Jerome was a Roman Catholic.  St Jerome was Orthodox, and so his translation his part of our heritage as well. 

Yes.

And the Wycliffe Bible is a must must must when picking apart bible quotes. The fruit is ubelievable.

Think about it, the first ever Bible ever compiled. A 400 CE translation in Israel directly into Latin. They would have known the true meanings of that wild old Greek script.

Then at 1395 the Latin Vulgate itself from Latin directly to middle English - a RELIABLE translation.

Then from Middle English to Modern English.

Then some gramatical, unintrusive cleanup.. Kostly sentence structure, but even then the Wycliffe STILL keeps the origional sentence structure so often its annoying to have 2 verses of the same thing, but more info is better than less.

Here's a challenge. Compare the verse below to your Bibles and see what it says. The descriptions are of real significance. Either they left them out on purpose, or they couldnt handle the translation as it was difficult Hebrew to decode. I'm guessing the they wanted to take things out.

Isaiah 34:14
Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
14 And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like asses in the nether part, and an hairy, shall meet; one shall cry to another. Lamia shall lie there, and find rest there to herself; (And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like donkeys in the lower part, and hairy all over, shall meet; and one shall cry to the other. The lamia shall lie down there, and shall find rest there for herself;)

The Septuagint was created 700 years before the Latin Vulgate though... Furthermore, scholars will tell you that the Vulgate and Peshitta don't differ all that much from the Masoretic that the Jews and Protestants use. So, it doesn't really matter all that much anyway.
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #165 on: February 28, 2014, 10:48:18 AM »
Who's trashing anybody?

It's not uncommon for some Orthodox to dismiss RC things as "RC" when it is equally ours.  If you're not following in their ignorance, good. 
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« Reply #166 on: February 28, 2014, 05:18:28 PM »
No. That's the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate.

The Vulgate is not Roman Catholic unless St Jerome was a Roman Catholic.  St Jerome was Orthodox, and so his translation his part of our heritage as well.  

Yes.

And the Wycliffe Bible is a must must must when picking apart bible quotes. The fruit is ubelievable.

Think about it, the first ever Bible ever compiled. A 400 CE translation in Israel directly into Latin. They would have known the true meanings of that wild old Greek script.

Then at 1395 the Latin Vulgate itself from Latin directly to middle English - a RELIABLE translation.

Then from Middle English to Modern English.

Then some gramatical, unintrusive cleanup.. Kostly sentence structure, but even then the Wycliffe STILL keeps the origional sentence structure so often its annoying to have 2 verses of the same thing, but more info is better than less.

Here's a challenge. Compare the verse below to your Bibles and see what it says. The descriptions are of real significance. Either they left them out on purpose, or they couldnt handle the translation as it was difficult Hebrew to decode. I'm guessing the they wanted to take things out.

Isaiah 34:14
Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
14 And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like asses in the nether part, and an hairy, shall meet; one shall cry to another. Lamia shall lie there, and find rest there to herself; (And fiends, and wonderful beasts, like men in the higher part, and like donkeys in the lower part, and hairy all over, shall meet; and one shall cry to the other. The lamia shall lie down there, and shall find rest there for herself;)

The Septuagint was created 700 years before the Latin Vulgate though... Furthermore, scholars will tell you that the Vulgate and Peshitta don't differ all that much from the Masoretic that the Jews and Protestants use. So, it doesn't really matter all that much anyway.

Ok then. Lets see what it says for the challenge above:

 34:14 And devils shall meet with satyrs, and they shall cry one to the other: there shall satyrs rest, having found for themselves [a place of] rest.

Thats at least a bot better than the King James which is honestly laughable:

Isaiah 34:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest. (Lol!! Something was definitely changed somewhere along the way)

Now thats a night and day diference than the above. Something was definitely removed, or edited. And it wasnt the Vulgate:





Look at that fruit!
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #167 on: February 28, 2014, 05:24:22 PM »
...I think I've never been happier about not needing translations. ::)
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Re: Was Mohamed insane...?
« Reply #168 on: February 28, 2014, 05:27:48 PM »
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