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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2016, 11:21:58 AM »
I recently started doing yoga with my wife. I always jokingly made fun of her for "worshipping Satan" every time she did it, but I gave it a whirl because I was having some anxiety over some health issues. It made me feel a lot better actually.

The girl who hosts the classes on the DVD's we are using doesnt make it all spiritual and weird. Its like you're just stretching. None of that "become one with the universe" stuff.

Its surprisingly difficult too. I thought yoga is exercise in the same way that cheerleading is a sport (zing!) but ive been sore for several days now.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2016, 12:15:13 PM »
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2016, 01:14:17 PM »
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2016, 01:18:09 PM »
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2016, 01:30:41 PM »
I recently started doing yoga with my wife. I always jokingly made fun of her for "worshipping Satan" every time she did it, but I gave it a whirl because I was having some anxiety over some health issues. It made me feel a lot better actually.

The girl who hosts the classes on the DVD's we are using doesnt make it all spiritual and weird. Its like you're just stretching. None of that "become one with the universe" stuff.

Its surprisingly difficult too. I thought yoga is exercise in the same way that cheerleading is a sport (zing!) but ive been sore for several days now.

I love it, absolutely love it.  Have done it for years. 

And it is just stretching.  (unless you are "new age" and choose to make a spiritual thing of it; though I do pray to the Holy Trinity and sometimes say the Jesus Prayer or Hail Marys when I do more relaxed yoga; I also do that exactly the same way when walking or running)  Mine is at a gym.  In addition to improving circulation, sleep, and helping with weight loss/control, it is surprisingly good for balance, muscle toning and strengthening; also calming, mood improving.  The other good thing about it is that you get benefits from it whether you are a total pro pretzel kind of person or just a 75 old barely doing it at all, lifting your leg or arm a little here and there.  Works with the body, with what you have in terms of balance, muscle and builds from there.  Low impact.  You improve quickly.

It amazes me how superstitious people get about it.  I think people who regularly exercise and already do a wide form of stretching exercises, pilates, etc., approach yoga from such a different viewpoint and background than new agers - the two lines of thought don't really meet.  Also I think the yoga thing as religion in the West is frankly a little dated - 90s, 80s, 70s, even.  It has kind of passed as a phase, at least with mainstream folks.  Today, 'consciousness' or whatever, is the last thing on anybody's mind when doing yoga.  You basically just don't want to do too much damage or fall down.   :)
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2016, 01:37:21 PM »
Its surprisingly difficult too. I thought yoga is exercise in the same way that cheerleading is a sport (zing!) but ive been sore for several days now.

And you haven't even got started on the arm balances! :police:
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2016, 01:41:48 PM »
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If a person thinks he is the king of France or has the highest state of consciousness in Nirvana it does not mean that this is physical reality.

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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2016, 01:59:51 PM »
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If a person thinks he is the king of France or has the highest state of consciousness in Nirvana it does not mean that this is physical reality.

True. But if you think your severed limb hurts, you can still be in pain. The brain plays weird tricks on the rest of the body sometimes.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2016, 02:14:12 PM »
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If a person thinks he is the king of France or has the highest state of consciousness in Nirvana it does not mean that this is physical reality.

True. But if you think your severed limb hurts, you can still be in pain. The brain plays weird tricks on the rest of the body sometimes.
Yes, due to physically injured nerve endings.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2016, 02:18:43 PM »
http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/yoga-and-orthodoxy.pdf

I know there are many here who may dismiss the above article; not least of all because it comes from orthodoxinfo.com. I think it should still be read and considered.  I am not dismissive of this article.  The personal experiences of the author obviously shape his perspective and warnings which can be a reason to heed the article - and for others of you perhaps dismiss it.

To those who think yoga is "done" in the west. There are plenty of people still in the west dabbling into the meditative side of yoga in addition to the body movements.  I know plenty of people in their 30s and younger exploring these practices.  They may not be going to ashrams but they are certainly attempting to "dissolve the self" through whatever hackneyed Easternesque practice.

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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM »
We accept yoga as sport or relaxing the body, controlling the breathing, we don't accept yoga as religion.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2016, 02:39:48 PM »
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physical

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If a person thinks he is the king of France or has the highest state of consciousness in Nirvana it does not mean that this is physical reality.

True. But if you think your severed limb hurts, you can still be in pain. The brain plays weird tricks on the rest of the body sometimes.
Yes, due to physically injured nerve endings.

And if you look in a $5 contraption that shows a mirrored image of your other limb (the one still there), it 'tricks' your brain into thinking that both limbs are present, abd then the phantom limb pain goes away or is at least minimized in many people. Mental trickery = less physical pain. But of course it's not mental insofar as it's your physical nervous system doing the work, and it's not physical insofar as there is no 'physical' reality to a hurting limb being present. Your original question was not about the power of thought physically making you the king of France, or some such, it was can 'mental' stuff "create epilepsy, physical pain, and physical symptoms?" The answer is yes, and the 'how' of it is partly explained by my answer--that there is not as sharp a division between material and what we think of as immaterial as we often think.

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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2016, 02:40:44 PM »
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If a person thinks he is the king of France or has the highest state of consciousness in Nirvana it does not mean that this is physical reality.

True. But if you think your severed limb hurts, you can still be in pain. The brain plays weird tricks on the rest of the body sometimes.
Yes, due to physically injured nerve endings.

And if you look in a $5 contraption that shows a mirrored image of your other limb (the one still there), it 'tricks' your brain into thinking that both limbs are present, abd then the phantom limb pain goes away or is at least minimized in many people. Mental trickery = less physical pain. But of course it's not mental insofar as it's your physical nervous system doing the work, and it's not physical insofar as there is no 'physical' reality to a hurting limb being present. Your original question was not about the power of thought physically making you the king of France, or some such, it was can 'mental' stuff "create epilepsy, physical pain, and physical symptoms?" The answer is yes, and the 'how' of it is partly explained by my answer--that there is not as sharp a division between material and what we think of as immaterial as we often think.

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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2016, 02:50:34 PM »
If the practitioner suffers from a spiritual void, that dimension of yoga can definitely fill it, but it won't force itself where there is no space for it. No amount of Sun Salutations will make one a Hindu or Buddhist, just like no amount of prostrations will, in and of themselves, make one a Christian. I've practised with other Christians, agnostics and atheists, and even more who didn't even bother to share their spiritual affiliations. There's no such thing as rallying under the eight-spoked banner. ;D

The article dwells a lot on the concept of kundalini, which, as I mentioned further up, is incompatible with Orthodoxy. Not all yoga styles are esoteric like that. A lot will also depend on one's relationship with their instructor, and how much influence they allow him or her to have on their life. The average BWY-certified instructor who teaches a class at a different town hall every day of the week is unlikely to have any gurulike aspirations, let alone go for spiritual domination through discipleship.

If, at any time during practice, things become in any way uncomfortable (physically, sexually, mentally or spiritually), just stop. If you can't keep working under the particular circumstances, look for different ones. There are plenty of options.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2016, 01:59:20 PM »
I would personally stay away from Kundalini Yoga.

This video shows the similarities of Charismatic Nonsense and Kundalini Yoga:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmaYLIvuV6k
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2016, 09:39:43 AM »
It's okay to do yoga purely for the exercise

Something that most of us home practitioners have been saying forever.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #107 on: July 14, 2017, 09:31:24 PM »
Elderly yoginis have greater cortical thickness

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"In the same way as muscles, the brain develops through training," explains Elisa Kozasa of Hospital Israelita Albert Einstein in São Paulo, Brazil, a researcher involved in the study, which was recently published in Frontiers in Aging Neuroscience. "Like any contemplative practice, yoga has a cognitive component in which attention and concentration are important."

Previous studies have suggested that yoga can have greater health benefits than similar aerobic exercises, and yoga practitioners have shown improved awareness, attention and memory. Older adults with mild cognitive impairment have also shown improvements after a short yoga training program.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #108 on: July 15, 2017, 03:10:38 PM »
It seems to have resemblance to hesychasm and to calisthenics. I guess you could just do secular calisthenics and Orthodox hesychasm separately and get the same benefits, couldn't you?
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« Reply #109 on: July 15, 2017, 03:29:28 PM »
It seems to have resemblance to hesychasm and to calisthenics. I guess you could just do secular calisthenics and Orthodox hesychasm separately and get the same benefits, couldn't you?

What are the benefits of each?
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #110 on: July 15, 2017, 03:45:31 PM »
Just worship Christ in your mind and cast the incense into the fire in front of Apollo do the Downward Dog anyway!
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #111 on: July 15, 2017, 04:02:50 PM »
do the Downward Dog anyway!

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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #112 on: July 15, 2017, 04:11:47 PM »
It seems to have resemblance to hesychasm and to calisthenics. I guess you could just do secular calisthenics and Orthodox hesychasm separately and get the same benefits, couldn't you?
I would think so.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #113 on: July 15, 2017, 05:09:31 PM »
It seems to have resemblance to hesychasm and to calisthenics. I guess you could just do secular calisthenics and Orthodox hesychasm separately and get the same benefits, couldn't you?
I would think so.

What are the benefits of each? How can you make a comparison without knowing the benefits of each?
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« Reply #114 on: July 15, 2017, 05:29:44 PM »
It seems to have resemblance to hesychasm and to calisthenics. I guess you could just do secular calisthenics and Orthodox hesychasm separately and get the same benefits, couldn't you?
I would think so.

What are the benefits of each? How can you make a comparison without knowing the benefits of each?
If Hesychasm involves increasing one's attention and memory (as yoga seems to do), then it would also lead to greater thickness in the left prefrontal cortex.
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Re: What do you think of Yoga ?
« Reply #115 on: July 15, 2017, 05:49:44 PM »
I doubt too many folks western or Hindu have a goal of macho-ing up their brain membranes, but thanks for at least trying to describe the benefits of hesychasm.
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