i took this quote from the orthodox pacifism discussion (in 'faith issues'), it is brilliant:
the original hotspots of Calvinism - Geneva and Holland - are today amongst the most secularised places even within Europe.
i visit holland every few years and the tough attitudes that i associate with calvinism ('whatever happens is God's will so i shouldn't be too concerned') seem to be more common there.
otherwise the culture is very similar to the british culture (polite, formal and apologising to the person who trod on your foot).
it is so similar, in fact that i was trying to work out what the differences were. now i think i am starting to understand.
which leads me to ask, how can we help calvinists understand the orthodox Christian faith?
i have had endless debates with certain calvinists i am close to, which don't seem to achieve much other than turn into 'i can quote more Bible verses than you can' competitions.
i think the answer may lie in a consistent and calm loving attitude, but i wonder what other posters here think (including calvinists and ex calvinists).