Biblically, which nation is this verse referred to?
....He probably is referring to Genesis 21:17-18:
Would you please tell us which part of the Old Testament you think "predicts" Islam? Thank you.
God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”
"This is the account of the family line of Abraham’s son Ishmael, whom Sarah’s slave, Hagar the Egyptian, bore to Abraham. These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah. These were the sons of Ishmael, and these are the names of the twelve tribal rulers according to their settlements and camps. Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people. His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt, as you go toward Ashur. And they lived in hostility toward all the tribes related to them."
Hagar's decendents were a restless and troubled people......Gen. 16:11-12
Once again the Angel of the Lord said to her:
"Behold, you are with child and you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, for the lord has taken notice of your humiliation. He shall be a rustic man, and his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him. He shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."
Do you see how REAL the Bible is now? I'm glad some of you decided to look into this. God is watching you and you are now at a new level of faith and closer towards God. This new level of faith will radiate outwards from you and actually change your outlook closer to how God would like it. Thats how important this is.
Ishmael was a child that was born from Abraham with a sergate mother.. An Egyptian woman. Later, God decided to give Abrahams real wife a child. So the wife decided to cast Hagar and Ishmael away from the tribe.
They set out alone in the dessert. God fealt bad and come down and blessed Ishmael. The place he came down to help them is supposedly Mecca as we know it today. Thats what they say anyway.
Here's what really happened. God had a covenant to pass down. He did NOT see righteousness in Ishmael, or Sarah for that matter. Remember Isaac later on has a rightous wife. We're talking about lineage here.
So God gave Sarah the baby Isaac which was likely a divinely inspired child and not an egyptian. Later on, God saw that he was righteous and hands down the covenant to Abraham and Isaac. Who is NOT there? Ishmael.
This is where the problems start. Because theres an argument which states that only the the father got it, thus it applies to all sons. The other states that it was handed to Abraham and Isaac exclusively.
Many here on the forum, are REAL SONS of Abraham and Isaac. These arent facticious characters and its not a joke. I'm being absolutely serious and believe we will be alive to see the day the DNA will be able to prove the tribe links. Its scary what is going on in that field right now.
If you arent a real son of Abraham and Isaac, then when you are baptised, you become a 'convert' and become a spiritual son of Abraham and Issac which is the same thing and valid with the Bible. Bet ya didnt know that. Its important all of us fall under this lineage for other reasons that I wont get into.
What makes Islam the will of God is very simple: God blessed them. We are living proof that Mohammad must have been something 'special' 1.5 billion people later. Was Mohammad (peace be upon him haha just kidding) a prophet? At this point in my life and with my knowledge od Islam and my gowing fear of God, i'd say it's possible.
God knows the sons of Ishmael better than we do. The things Mohammad did attracts 'those people'. We might not be able to understand it, but God could have demanded at a certain point that they begin to worship Him, but knew it would take to get them to comply. Mohammad came and did the impossible in my eyes.
The big question is, what would happen if they did NOT become an Islamic? Then I believe the Germans iwould be sitting on that land taking all the oil. But God blessed them with the oil. All this was predicted thousands of years befor Islam even came about or you could do something like drill for oil.
Does God WANT us to intermix with Muslims and live together? NO. they need to stay to their own, we need to stay to ours. Intermixing is essentially secular humanism which God is very apposed to. So just because they were blessed and God allowed them to have Islam, it doesnt mean that our nations should become one nation. The Tower of Babel story demonstrates this as well as many others.